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Old 02-22-2007, 01:00 AM
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#13: The Ten Best RPG Characters in Film, TV and Literature

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Ten great characters, starting with Sturm Brightblade.

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Old 02-23-2007, 02:09 AM
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Ten great characters, starting with Sturm Brightblade.
While the suggestions are good, there are a number of characters that I missed, perhaps foremost of all Gulliver Foyle from Alfred Besters "Tiger, Tiger" (also published as "The Stars My Destination").

Other suggestions would include Don Quixote, HAL 9000 (from 2001: A Space Odyssey) and Lord Gro (from "The Worm Ouroboros").

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Old 02-23-2007, 06:17 AM
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Re: #13: The Ten Best RPG Characters in Film, TV and Literature

Don Quixote would sure make a fun character in the right hands, I agree, although he might suffer a little bit from a need to hog the spotlight and thus the GMs time. Still, he is very worth consideration.

HAL, on the other hand, is really only fun as an NPC in my book, because he doesn't really develop or change until he is betraying the party and making for a good session but not a good member of the party.

Thanks for the suggestions. I'll go look up Gulliver Foyle.

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Old 02-23-2007, 06:19 AM
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I'm struck by the fact that a lot of these characters--esp. the ones near the top of your scale--have a poor record of working and playing well with others. No one wants a faceless character, and of course everyone should have hooks and play time and all of that, but you (the GM, the other players) also don't want to deal with a character who's constantly wandering off to make his own drama or betray the group. In most games, that's only fun in small doses. And a party full of that can be downright un-fun.

Much depends on the game and the maturity level of the players, of course. A group of lone wolves might work well in some Vampire games, for instance, or any game where teamwork is deemphasized. And these sorts of characters might work OK if the GM can extract a promise from the player to play the character's most obvious conflict, i.e. learning that he needs people. (That after all is what Jayne and Han Solo and the most interesting versions of Wolverine are really all about.)

Speaking as a GM who's dealt with Wolverine clones in multiple games and genres, they can be a major pain for exactly the above reasons. And the claws are a focus for player-GM squabbles, to the tune of "but I can cut through anything."

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Old 02-23-2007, 11:14 AM
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Re: #13: The Ten Best RPG Characters in Film, TV and Literature

Was anyone else disappointed by the complete and total lack of female characters?
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Old 02-23-2007, 09:01 PM
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Was anyone else disappointed by the complete and total lack of female characters?
Not me. As the columnist says, it's his personal list. It's faithful to his feelings, if it does not include females, patience.

My personal list would not include many of his choices, instead it would include characters like Ged from Earthsea (my favorite fantasy character), Mendes Pinto and other Picaros, d'Artagnan or Lagardere, and similar characters.

One thing I liked about Greg's list is the fact that it does not include Conanesque characters. I mean, the all powerful, superhuman kind that is so pervalent in second rate action or adventure fiction.
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Was anyone else disappointed by the complete and total lack of female characters?
Why not write your own list and correct this theoretical travesty of justice?

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Well overall I greatly enjoyed your list and was totally with you up until the very end.

Wolverine??? Horrible character to have in a party. Way too much the loner. He either hoggs all the action or doesn't interact with the rest of the party because he's got to be gruff and mysterious. *bleah*

As for Don Quxiote, great character and all, but I don't see him as a good rpg character. Everything would have to revolve around him and the trouble that he leads the group into. Plus he wouldn't actually have a lot of useful skills to help make up for his short-comings. Sancho Panza however would be pretty good. I guess that he goes right along with Sam Gamgee.
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Eh, gotta disagree, Wolvie, played right (such was the cavet of the article) would be a fun character and a good team player.
Way too many people identify him as the lone wolf, but for significant chuncks of his run with the X-Men he was as much a trooper as the next guy on the team.
- Mid 80's, esp. with the introduction of Kitty Pryde, closest to "lone wolf" we got there was the occasional scrap with the Hellfire Club, esp. that first block with Kitty where the rest of the team was captured. Otherwise, 110% team player.
- He got another bout just after Seige Perilous in Australia where he was heading up a rough & tumble assembly and we were introduced to Jubilee.
- Most of the X-Men material pre-Fatal Attractions, in the imediate lead-up to it. This was even at the height of his popularity where Wolverine was plastered on EVERYTHING.

Noteable "lone wolf" moments:
- Wolverine, the series of course
- post Fatal Attractions
- Age of Apocolypse, continuing the trend from FA, and post AoA

Otherwise, against the Brood, Wolverine was a prime example of what someone with a healing factor could do. Days of the Future Past, he was an excellent team player, hogging a bit of the drama but still working within the team for the benefit of the team.
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I'm struck by the fact that a lot of these characters--esp. the ones near the top of your scale--have a poor record of working and playing well with others. No one wants a faceless character, and of course everyone should have hooks and play time and all of that, but you (the GM, the other players) also don't want to deal with a character who's constantly wandering off to make his own drama or betray the group. In most games, that's only fun in small doses. And a party full of that can be downright un-fun.
In fact, what I think makes a lot of the top characters truly great is that they have the personality and drama associated with loose cannons and "problem characters" without actually being problem characters and actually adding to the fun of the group as a whole. Han Solo always says s he is going to leave, but never actually does. In fact, he is always around when the party needs him the most. I think similar things can be said of all of the characters.

And a paladin who is overly righteous can be just as bad as a drama hogging rogue when it comes to disrupting players fun. Same with an arrogant swordsman, or cook that doesn't have any skills and only ever complains about not being useful instead of using what he has. We can't shy away from "bad" or "anti-social" character archetypes or we are left with cookie cutters - we have to be able to take the "fun" characters and make them work just as these literary characters do so well - we can strive to accomplish the feat of playing a the abrasive reluctant rogue in a manner that is fun for the party. That is what makes a character great and what we should stretch and strive for in expanding our role-playing ability.

Wew. Got on a soapbax there.

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