Hybrid

[Jason Sartin]

This thing here (http://perso.wanadoo.fr/philippe.tromeur/hybrid.htm).

It's a joke, right?

It HAS to be. But then, I wouldn't have thought FATAL was serious, either, before its fans and creators made assnoodles of themselves (oh, a finer moment for people who believe that everyone should have to pass an IQ test or be sterilized there never was).

Can anyone tell me for sure?
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[Dead Parrot]

From lurking on rec.games.frp.superheros this guy is serious. Deranged but serious. We don't know what his problem there is, he trolls over there, then get's very upset when we tell him to shut up, and talk about a real game. Also to annoy the people who put him on his ignore list, he tends to change his e-mail adress about once a month.

John

[Futilitarian]

Just call me "educated stupid."

[Blackberry]

Hybrid is dang serious. I emailed with the guy for over 2 years to make sure. Nobody could keep it up that long without a single crack showing, and every one of his emails reads exactly like that.

I questioned him repeatedly to give some examples of play, and he started hating me.

[Levekius]

Since Philippe Tromeur is hosting this site and posts often here, maybe he knows more about this.

It does look serious in a freakish kind of way.

[Blackberry]

Originally posted by Levekius
Since Philippe Tromeur is hosting this site and posts often here, maybe he knows more about this.

It does look serious in a freakish kind of way.

Just do a Google Groups search in rec.games.frp.super-heroes for "Hybrid", "C++", "MathewRpg", and you'll find a whole lot of enlightening posts.

[_Gabriel]

So, like, Champions, Hybrid, uses "beauty", "B" for female & "b" for male, where 3B has counterpart 3b, where Superstring = 10^[(3b^2)/2] of I.T., where I.T. stands for infinite time, idea gotten from the "High Evolutionary" from Marvel Universe where greater time gives object greater hidden mass which means greater value with which with greater "difference" means greater "power".

remember kiddos. Chicks get a capital B for their beauty. We dudes only get a little b.

I blame it on raisins.

[K Peterson]

Agh!
My eyes!

Make the bleeding stop.

[Tom B]

Wow. I can't wait for the D20 version....

[Dead Parrot]

I have one very quick question...

Does Hybrid make Spawn of Fashan, FATAL, Synnibar, etc. look like works of art?

(I have never read any of the above games, except for Hybrid, and my brain still hurts from rule 1....that's as far as I got.)

John
(Trying my best to stir the pot a little more)

[Matthew]

Man you guys don't remember the Hidden Mass of an Orange? How quickly they forget.

[Matthew]

Man, I love this stuff. I could read it all day.

[Patrick Chipman]

Perhaps it's just me, but unlike FATAL (ack! just saying the name makes my scars reopen and gush... green toxic ooze!) and Synnibar, I can't figure out how to play Hybrid, much less how to make a character in it. The first two are games; Hybrid just seems to be the rantings of someone with little to no grasp of mathematics, game design, or the English language.

EDIT: Which, of course, means it's probably deadly serious. I'm sure the designer, much like Gene Ray, believes he is the pinnacle of writers -- in this case, the ultimate designer in possession of the ultimate game.

[philippe tromeur]

Originally posted by Levekius
Since Philippe Tromeur is hosting this site and posts often here, maybe he knows more about this.

It does look serious in a freakish kind of way. He is serious (though there are bits of humour in his texts).

It's been some month since I proposed him to put his work on the web ; the first version was built after his rants on rec.games.frp.super-heroes (what I call hybrid v1.1 : http://pht.fr.st/hybrid0.htm ). Since then, he has sent me many many updates, but I only update the game ever month. The rules, as they apprear @ http://pht.fr.st/hybrid.htm , are organised by him (from a word file, and I translate it in HTML, the typography is unchanged).

He is a strange person, but I think I can cope with him ; there are stranger people on the web (http://pht.fr.st/silly.htm)

[Atom Man]

I don't know what you guys are bitching about. Rule #34 could probably revolutionize rpgs, all by itself, not to mention bringing about peace in the middle east.

[Gui-Jay]

are you sure about that ? from what I can discern, it's a rule that tells you how many man you need to create an A-bomb using palestinian and isreali dudes...


oooh, you mean that if they all die, then they can't fight anymore, right ? Silly me...

From what I can understand he's just putting up rules, which really are only equations to determine something (very VERY hard-to-understand equations in the way they are written), but totally un-related to one another

[Jason Sartin]

Thanks, everyone!

This is depressing beyond belief. This C++ person must be seriously whacked in the noodle.

Ah, well. Time to get my Hybrid review done before I go back to my ever-in-progress FATAL review.

But to answer one question:

Originally posted by dparrot101
Does Hybrid make Spawn of Fashan, FATAL, Synnibar, etc. look like works of art?I haven't seen Spawn of Fashan (only Mr. Wilcox's wonderful review (http://www.rpg.net/news+reviews/reviews/rev_6157.html) of it), but for the other two...I think it just might. FATAL and Synnibarr, at least, are playable (if only in the most generous sense of the word). Hybrid looks about as playable as Russian roulette after you've already lost once.
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[Mock]

Originally posted by Atom Man
I don't know what you guys are bitching about. Rule #34 could probably revolutionize rpgs, all by itself, not to mention bringing about peace in the middle east.

I don't know--I was astounded by the revelation that height is mathematically related to the ability to absorb nuclear explosions.

I think.

[JELEINEN]

I think Rule # 28 should be in every game.

[Blackberry]

This one is the most sense he's ever made:


RULE # 37 : Height / C3 = Height / C3

[Dead Parrot]

Originally posted by JELEINEN
I think Rule # 28 should be in every game.

I agree 100%...this is right up there with rule #3....

There is no rule #3


John

[Robert K Beckett]

I am amazed that someone could be so uniformly incomprehensible. And that he could keep it up for such a long document.

Whatever he's puffin' on, I want some.

[Robert K Beckett]

What I refer to as C3 is, ALSO, BY CHANCE & PURE COINCIDENCE used in both Dungeons & Dragons & GURPS rpg in terms of points, BY CHANCE & PURE COINCIDENCE : DISCLAIMER, as my C3 unit seems to be used by CHANCE & PURE COINCIDENCE, also, in HERO RPG

[Futilitarian]

I wonder if connection between binary & fuzzy logic can be applied to gravity & electromagnetism to show or display a SEMBIOTIC relationship between the two. Both are necessary for a balanced co-existence, like the male & female gender, where the female gender would be analogous to binary logic & the male gender would be analogous to fuzzy logic

If by "sembiotic" he means "symbiotic," he could start a new Scientology and make a fortune with this kind of idea. :)

[Blackberry]

Originally posted by Robert K Beckett
What I refer to as C3 is, ALSO, BY CHANCE & PURE COINCIDENCE used in both Dungeons & Dragons & GURPS rpg in terms of points, BY CHANCE & PURE COINCIDENCE : DISCLAIMER, as my C3 unit seems to be used by CHANCE & PURE COINCIDENCE, also, in HERO RPG

Heck, you should have been there at the time. "What's the Tech Level of COM?" "Uh, COM is Comeliness; physical beauty. It has no tech level!" "I computed it from X-Men villain Mister Sinister and TL = [2 ^ (COM / 3)] / 2. But how can Nightcrawler use Teleport power to destroy Earth with COM unless TL=6? Equation must be off." "Dude, you're messed up." "TYPO: TL = [1 + TAN(2^(COM/2.5))] * (PI / 2)."

[Futilitarian]

Has anyone actually found where he defines what C3 is? I don't think he does, but if I read too much of this stuff the Hounds of Tindalos will notice me.

Originally posted by Robert K Beckett
What I refer to as C3 is, ALSO, BY CHANCE & PURE COINCIDENCE used in both Dungeons & Dragons & GURPS rpg in terms of points, BY CHANCE & PURE COINCIDENCE : DISCLAIMER, as my C3 unit seems to be used by CHANCE & PURE COINCIDENCE, also, in HERO RPG

[Jason Sartin]

Originally posted by Futilitarian
Has anyone actually found where he defines what C3 is?Material strength or some such shit. It's way back in Hybrid V1.2 (http://perso.wanadoo.fr/philippe.tromeur/hybrid1.htm).
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[Atom Man]

Originally posted by Jason Sartin
Material strength or some such shit. It's way back in Hybrid V1.2 (http://perso.wanadoo.fr/philippe.tromeur/hybrid1.htm).
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How do you join the Hybrid Mailing List?

I would love to see the flame wars.

[Jason Sartin]

Originally posted by Atom Man
How do you join the Hybrid Mailing List?

I would love to see the flame wars. Excellent question. The link provided takes approximately a billion hours to load, so I didn't bother with it.

Is there a brave gamer with a high-speed connection here who is willing to take the plunge?
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[Atom Man]

I think I understand most of it now, but one thing is throwing me off:

RULE # 50 states: PC = g = # Y @ C_ something of the hunter. THEN, g # @ the SAME UNIT @ C_something IF there is a reasonable difference or distance between the TWO #s that of the hunter & the hunted ELSE for both USE 1 unit less to compute persecution-complex of the hunted @ g = [((#Y)^(1/2))] @ C_something for the hunted. I’m not sure if you can sqeeze "most" psychology books into this 1 neat little easy to read equation, but it’s fun to try. You can use RULE # 49 to figure the (next) mostly like victim of the fictional character Q be @ 307 C2 DP if Q is @ 170 C1 default psyche. Look @ RULE # 39, # 57, & # 76. So, NEMISIS @ 107.9150 C1 DP would have it’s average victim @ 116.6033 C2 DP by {C2^(1/2)}.


So Q @ 307 C@ DP only defaults to psyche if Q is @ 170 C1. But what is the obverse tangent of Q @ 307 if my mother was Swedish and g = [((#Y) % (1/2))] [Amerigo Vespucci]?

Huh?

I don't know how he can hope to market this game with boners like that.

[Blackberry]

Originally posted by Jason Sartin
Excellent question. The link provided takes approximately a billion hours to load, so I didn't bother with it.

Is there a brave gamer with a high-speed connection here who is willing to take the plunge?
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I had started two different mailing lists for him (because he forgot how to get to the first one, even though both were on Yahoo under the same account), and he ordered them both closed so he could create one of his own. I think he's on list #5 now. I don't know where it is though.

[Mytholder]

Wow, Hybrid's come a long way. It's got paragraphs and headers and almost complete sentences now. I honestly never thought I'd see the day.

[Andy K]

So who are the bad guys in Hybrid? Who do you fight?

-Andy

[Blackberry]

Originally posted by Andy Kitkowski
So who are the bad guys in Hybrid? Who do you fight?

-Andy

See, you don't. There are no rules for fighting. You compare C2 values (or is it C3 or COM or TL, I forget), and whoever has the highest will have his (not her, since it's too hard to play female characters) life go his way. You can't resolve it to any finer detail below that. Every time I cornered Hitesh/C++ on it, that's all he would say. Individual fights don't matter.

By the way, where is it he goes? Illinois University? I think it was the same one as the FATAL guys.

[Dead Parrot]

Originally posted by Andy Kitkowski
So who are the bad guys in Hybrid? Who do you fight?

-Andy

I don't think C++ has thought that out yet.

John

[Jason Sartin]

Originally posted by Blackberry
By the way, where is it he goes? Illinois University? I think it was the same one as the FATAL guys. Unfortunately, no. It's Northern Indiana University for them. It would have rocked if C++ was also there, though. My theories about that particular area would have gained validity.
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[Futilitarian]

You start with the assumption that the fictional character ICEMAN of MARVEL COMICS has a DP or default psyche @ point distribution C3 @ # range between [(10^4) &/to (10^5)], NOT to confuse C2 with C3, where 100 C2 = (10^4) C3 by 100^LOG10(100) = 10,000.

So basically, he is out to explain the Entire Universe using a single equation...

...with Marvel's Iceman as it's only axiom.

The man is clearly insane. It's obvious that Firestarter's default psyche is the mathematical foundation of the universe!

[kaomera]

So, how come noone's pointed out the TimeCube RPG???

http://edromia.com/games/timecube.html

It's not nearly as hurty, and it's much more likely a j0k3, but there it is...

Actually, I long for the days of bad, mimeographed RPGs, sold out of the back of Dragon magazine like so many X-Ray specs... "When I started RPGing, we didn't have no fancy polyhedral dice! When we wanted a random number, we poked each other in the head with sticks! And we liked it better that way, dagnabbit!!!"

[Erik Sieurin]

...this guy's writings would contain the Secrets of the Universe.

Nightowl, bringing on his imminent firing because laughing hysterically while at work

[NPC NPCBob]

Originally posted by Nightowl AAA
...this guy's writings would contain the Secrets of the Universe.

Oh, it does.

Unfortunately, it turns out 'Real Life' is a Call of Cthulhu scenario, and this guy hit 0 SAN a while back.

Don't bother trying to decipher it. The SAN hit is brutal, and the spells you get suck.
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[Joshua Marquart]

I'd just like to get him the hell off of "my" newsgroup. :)

Here's the FAQ. (http://w3.one.net/~joshdm/super/index.html)

Here's what the FAQ says about him. (http://w3.one.net/~joshdm/super/index.html#DICK)

Note the sub-anchor name in the link.

[Joshua Marquart]

I have NOT been paying enough attention to this stuff.

Check out Rule #71, which begins as follows:

For POLAGAMY or to figure out # of wives a man can have, use the cloning equation,

This kicks Silver Age Sentinel's ass!

[jrients]

Originally posted by Blackberry
By the way, where is it he goes? Illinois University? I think it was the same one as the FATAL guys.

I don't think there is an "Illinois University". There's the University of Illinois, with multiple campuses including right here in Champaign. Then there's Illinois State University, only an hour drive from here.

Any other central Illinois gamers up for asking him to run a demo?

[JamesCat]

Hey! There's pictures from HOW TO BE A SUPERHERO on that there FAQ! Any idea whether this is still in print? Man, I loved that book ...

J.

[Joshua Marquart]

Originally posted by JamesCat
Hey! There's pictures from HOW TO BE A SUPERHERO on that there FAQ! Any idea whether this is still in print? Man, I loved that book ...

J.

No idea. There were two versions, European and American. They had different covers, too. I had a copy of both - got sent the Euro-one by the authors signed by the authors. Turns out that my website was great free advertising for them. They also gave me full permission to put the images all over the FAQ as long as I mentioned where they were from. Had those images up there since the FAQ has been on my site - with minor alterations a couple years back. Used to have an animated version of the crazy inventor in the TVs - it would static out for a bit, then come back with a kooky saying.

[Carl Stanford]

<b>HYBRID rpg is compatible with many popular past & current rpgs. This compatibility makes HYBRID role playing game easy to use & understand. To read more on M-Theory, refer to RULE # 90, which acts to fuse all the preceding rules & equations into one equation that being an equation for time travel based on ’80 Secret Wars storyline of ’80 Marvel Universe comics.</b>

I guess this explains it all....... really, it does....... Hybrid is easy to use and understand...... really.....

Carl Stanford

[Big Willy]

That guy's head sure has a lot of shit in it.

BW out.

[Matthew]

A friend of mine looked at this and asked me "Have you seen 'A Beautiful Mind'?" I responded truthfully and he said "This is that same thing."

The author seems to think that MSH and Champs and D&D are a front, behind which is some universal truth that can be uncovered if you 'see beyond' the rules in those games to the *true* rules behind them.

[GestaltBennie]

Originally posted by mattcolville
A friend of mine looked at this and asked me "Have you seen 'A Beautiful Mind'?" I responded truthfully and he said "This is that same thing."

The author seems to think that MSH and Champs and D&D are a front, behind which is some universal truth that can be uncovered if you 'see beyond' the rules in those games to the *true* rules behind them.

I actually thought of the movie "pi" myself.

Scott Bennie

[Vegeta2300]

Did you ever run an adventure with a puzzle that players thought they were supposed to solve, but couldn´t?

Have you, as GM, chuckled to yourself when your players were burning their brains out in a futile attempt to figure out ´what it´s all about´?

I think this is what Matthew Hybrid, C++ or whatever is trying to do: Have people trying to crack an enigma that is unsolvable. IMHO, he derives enjoyment from appearing mysterious. People are unsure what to think of him - insane, troll, out of sync - and that pleases him.

Anybody else subscribing to this theory?

Regards,

Tobias

[Carl Stanford]

What I want to know is if he really is the gamesmaster for a small group of players. Can you imagine sitting through one of his scenarios?

It seems like he is a numbers-obsessed individuel. I have encountered similar people on the internet, mostly on occult-related mailinglists and I always wonder how these people cope with Real Life(tm).

Carl Stanford

[Sparrow Thirteen]

ow...my san...

[NPC NPCBob]

Originally posted by Carl Stanford
What I want to know is if he really is the gamesmaster for a small group of players. Can you imagine sitting through one of his scenarios?

Probably not a problem: One of the many pieces of sort-of-well-intentioned advice C++ ALWAYS got was to 'try playing a game with real players'.

To the best of my knowledge, he never has. (As I said, he seems to have a shaky grasp on this whole 'game' concept--when he first arrived on rec.game.frp.super-heroes, he couldn't seem to understand what the dice were for...)

He once emailed me with a question about a character who could synthesize diamonds. I replied with info he could've found in 10 seconds of Googling. I get the feeling he's sincere, he's just too obsessed with numbers to be much good with anything else.
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[Jason Sartin]

On the off chance that anyone cares, I've finally got around to reviewing Hybrid:

http://atrocities.primaryerror.net/hybrid.html

I might have been nicer to it, but I really didn't like that rule in the V 0.3 introduction (AND Rule #89) that says average black people are borderline retarded.
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[DeadlyUematsu]

Originally posted by Joshua Marquart


Here's what the FAQ says about him. (http://w3.one.net/~joshdm/super/index.html#DICK)



:P Follow the FAQ's advice, friends.

[Atom Man]

Damn you Jason.

"the wrong end of a mind enema"

(still cleaning coke from my screen)

[philippe tromeur]

Originally posted by Jason Sartin
On the off chance that anyone cares, I've finally got around to reviewing Hybrid:Interesting review.
I don't think I'll put a link to your review on my page, anyway.
The author actually looks at it quite often (and begs for small corrections every other day).

[joewolz]

I've just ignored what everyone else has said so far and tried to read this gibberish...I am speechless

[Nilus]

Originally posted by jrients
Any other central Illinois gamers up for asking him to run a demo?

Hell if you tracked this guy down and got him to run a game, I would drive down from Chicago and Play it.

I started looking at his equations and I think he actually proves that god is dead and how to implement a flat tax all in one formula but only if he takes out Iceman and uses the Wonder Twins from super friends has the basis of the universe. :)

[Mithras]

The guy is autistic.

And his obsessive interest is the mathmatical formulae found in RPGs.

No shit. Just wait and see if I'm right...

[philippe tromeur]

Here's an example of the mails he sends me (with an attached .doc file named "disclaimer_xx.doc") :

Subject: SORRY ! NEW ! UPDATE FOR V 2.0 [NAME TO BE CHANGED TO: V 0.3]: SO, THIS IS UPDATE FOR V 0.3 [PREVIOUSLY KNOWN AS VERSION V 2.0 TO BE CALLED : V 0.3]. OK ? THANKS ! AND, CAN YOU "DELETE" ALL THE HUNDREDS OF E-MAILS & "ALL" THE ATTACHMENTS THAT I SENT YOU OVER THE PAST 8 MONTHS, EXCEPT FOR THIS UPDATE FROM TODAY WHICH IS MOST RECENT. USE WORD TEXT FILE "DISCLAIMER_.DOC" AS OFFOCIAL VERSION FOR VERSION 0.3 [PREVIOUSLY CALLED VERSION V 2.0, OF WHICH NAME TO BE CHANGED TO : V 0.3].
To: Philippe Tromeur <philippe.tromeur@wanadoo.fr>

SORRY ! NEW ! UPDATE FOR V 2.0 [NAME TO BE CHANGED TO:
V 0.3]: SO, THIS IS UPDATE FOR V 0.3 [PREVIOUSLY KNOWN
AS VERSION V 2.0 TO BE CALLED : V 0.3]. OK ? THANKS !
AND, CAN YOU "DELETE" ALL THE HUNDREDS OF E-MAILS &
"ALL" THE ATTACHMENTS THAT I SENT YOU OVER THE PAST 8
MONTHS, EXCEPT FOR THIS UPDATE FROM TODAY WHICH IS
MOST RECENT. USE WORD TEXT FILE "DISCLAIMER_.DOC" AS
OFFOCIAL VERSION FOR VERSION 0.3 [PREVIOUSLY CALLED
VERSION V 2.0, OF WHICH NAME TO BE CHANGED TO : V 0.3].

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[Jason Sartin]

Originally posted by philippe tromeur
Here's an example of the mails he sends me (with an attached .doc file named "disclaimer_xx.doc")Sir, you have the patience of a god.

And by "god", I mean like a Great Old One (who can wait for millions of years for the stars to be right), not one of those more traditional gods who will smite people for openly mocking them or breaking too many of their rules.
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[Matthew]

"Why would I need an "illusion of time travel"? For practical jokes? "Ha, ha, foolish ass-rammers! I'm not really 500,000 years in the future! Suckers!" Hell, I could do that at home. "

Brilliant.

[rumble]

Originally posted by Tom B
Wow. I can't wait for the D20 version....

You obviously missed Rule #107.

HERO conversion is covered in Rule #122.
I think.
It's gets harder to tell as I read on.
Looks like there's some more HERO material in Rule #138.

Marvel SAGA conversion in Rule #125.

Um, the author seems to have some sort of Galactus fetish.

A trace of racism is apparent in Rule #103

My god, a redundancy in the rules! I must have found something important. See rules #65 and #90!!
Note to self: consult an astronomer for more information?

I'm feeling a bit dizzy, but it's hard to stop.

For a moment I though Rule #61 had to do with getting married, but after further analysis, I think it's really about what kind of hooker you can afford and where you can pick them up.

Ah, here's dating: Rule #86. And dipping your wick in more than one place: Rule #100

Wow, I wish I'd known that my poor grade on my term papers in college was due to insufficient Life Point values. Rule #89.
I would have worked on increasing those instead of studying. Lord knows I've never figured out how to use them efficiently.

Glurb... My Life Points seem to be deteriorating at an alarming rate now.

Character sheet... Rule #47.

Mommy...?

[philippe tromeur]

Originally posted by rumble
Marvel SAGA conversion in Rule #125.Somehow, he's found a Psyche attribute in Marvel SAGA, and the Lobo character too. He's amazing at reading between the lines.

[jrients]

As a side note, only use (1/8) bar of butter for a or any cake recipe for each box of cake flower.

WTF?

[Vegeta2300]

I have formed an opinion on this:

This "Hybrid RPG" is a riddle placed by an Alien genius for us. If solved, it will reveal the meaning of existence and possibly the key to world domination. It is also possible it will prove to the Aliens the human race has developed far enough for first contact.
Or maybe you get a cash prize or a T-Shirt.

Sound implausible? Think about it. There are three main theories on the origin of "Hybrid RPG".

1. Serious attempt at a role-playing game.

2. Humor.

3. Alien conspiracy.

Now which one sounds most plausible?

Regards,

Tobias

[philippe tromeur]

Originally posted by jrients
WTF? Puzzling, isn't it ?

[cmdicely]

Originally posted by dparrot101
From lurking on rec.games.frp.superheros this guy is serious. Deranged but serious. We don't know what his problem there is, he trolls over there, then get's very upset when we tell him to shut up, and talk about a real game. Also to annoy the people who put him on his ignore list, he tends to change his e-mail adress about once a month.

I'm not sure how universal it is, but if I wanted to run an RPG in the Timecube setting, I might use Hybrid.

[philippe tromeur]

The author send me a new update, but unfortunately the first rules got shrunk in the process ... I'll try to make him change is mind, those first rules are so enlightening !!

His e-mail :

Subject: I added an extra 1 dozen rules, but I attempted to reduce the fat content to frpg, making it leaner, but will add more exmples later, including conversion to ZERG of Starcraft, after doing some reading of ZERG to make sure I get the conversion accurate as possible, as I'm very close to getting the conversion, but MY NEXT UPDATE WILL BE WEEKS AWAY, MAYBE END OF DECEMBER OF 2002, FOR MY NEXT UPDATE. AND, THANKS FOR CONTINUEING TO UPDATE MY RPG. AND, HAPPY HOLIDAYS. THE NAME VERSION CHANGE IS FOR V 2.0, I CHANGED NAME TO V 0.14, SIMPLY TO SHOW THAT IT'S ONLY 14% DONE : THAT'S WHAT V 0.14, MEANS, AS WRITING IT AS V 0.3 SHOWS FALSE IMPRESSION THAT IT'S 30% COMPLETE, WHEN IT'S ONLY 14% COMPLETE, AND SO WANTED TO CHANGE NAME TO V 0.14, SINCE IT'S ONLY 14% COMPLETE BY MY ESTIMATE.
To: Philippe Tromeur <philippe.tromeur@wanadoo.fr>

I did not reduce # of rules : in fact I added more,
meaning added an extra 1 dozen rules to the game. But,
what I did REMOVE fat from the meat, making it leaner,
but I'll be adding MORE examples later. Don't worry
about reducing it, as I'm PLANNING to add more stuff.
And, I changed name of V 2.0 to V 0.14, as the rpg is
only 14% complete, not 30%, so after i removed the fat
from the rpg, I wanted to change name to V 0.14 to
show that it's only 14% complete. This rpg, HYBRID,
has potential to be BEST in world, but sometimes, I
need to reduce the fat content, to make it leaner, as
there were few errors I found that needed corrections,
such as accidently putting wrong stat unit in
equation, when I should have used DP rather than PL,
such as for the dimensional equation. And, for the
Buck Rogers example, there was LOT of fat that needed
removing, but will make extra improvements later, but
the NEW UPDATE is greatly appreciated. You're a great
friend for making the updates, as I greatly appreciate
you being patient with all the updates, and not losing
temper, as I continue to expand the rpg, add more
rules, & make more minor revisions, and remove any
content that might not be needed or not appropriate.
But, i'll be adding another rule for conversion to
ZERG of Starcract later, but I need to do some reading
to make sure I get the next rule right for so the
conversion is accurate. Thanks for being a friend.

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[Nilus]

Originally posted by rumble
Ah, here's dating: Rule #86. And dipping your wick in more than one place: Rule #100

John Wick? :D

[EddyFate]

Originally posted by philippe tromeur
The author send me a new update, but unfortunately the first rules got shrunk in the process ... I'll try to make him change is mind, those first rules are so enlightening !!

Why, philippe? Why?

[mathey]

eyes..bleeding...

:confused:

[Blackberry]

Originally posted by philippe tromeur
Here's an example of the mails he sends me (with an attached .doc file named "disclaimer_xx.doc") :
[...]

I corresponded with him for 2 years, trying to get him off
of the rec.games.frp.super-heroes newsgroup (it worked for
a time) and work out his rules first, then type them all up
and put them on a web site so people can view them. I
created a YahooGroup for him for discussion of Hybrid; he
had one of his usual anti-gay phases and kicked me out, then
asked me to create another one for him when he forgot the
password for that one; I created it and again he kicked me
out.
&nbsp;
I can confirm everything that you say. I can also confirm
that he has never once played a role-playing game; I told
him once that he should try a PBEM Hero game (since his
obsession at the time was Hero); he begged me to run one,
and I actually set up a situation where he had some Marvel
character and was trying to stop a bank robbery, but he
had absolutely no concept. Explanations of what typically
goes on in an RPG only confused the matter and made him turn
anti-gay again and ask me to delete all emails from him.

[Blackberry]

Originally posted by rumble












[...]
A trace of racism is apparent in Rule #103
[...]

A trace? He flat-out has said before that Blacks and Arabs
would have vastly lower stats in Hybrid, and that women
could never be superheroes (though he's revised that opinion
somewhat).

[Blackberry]

Oh, and by the way, when I started with him, his "RPG" was
one page of rules which he was trying to reduce to one
equation. Even when it got to be well over 10 pages of
solid equations, he kept calling it the world's only one-
page RPG.

[Nilus]

Originally posted by Blackberry
Oh, and by the way, when I started with him, his "RPG" was
one page of rules which he was trying to reduce to one
equation. Even when it got to be well over 10 pages of
solid equations, he kept calling it the world's only one-
page RPG.

Well it is only techincally one Web Page.

One very long Web Page.

[ZirWeb]

Originally posted by Vegeta2300
I have formed an opinion on this:

...
1. Serious attempt at a role-playing game.

2. Humor.

3. Alien conspiracy.

Now which one sounds most plausible?


Tobias ,

I would go with 3 also, if I did not see the finger prints of 4 all over it.

4. CutBot, A program that will Cut-Up text is put in and crank out rules that will drop the San of any ony that reads it.


But, I aM a Cut|Up that is low on San from reading Over the Edge, So what dO i KnOw?

Zir,

[Blackberry]

Originally posted by ZirWeb

Tobias ,

I would go with 3 also, if I did not see the finger prints of 4 all over it.

4. CutBot, A program that will Cut-Up text is put in and crank out rules that will drop the San of any ony that reads it.


But, I aM a Cut|Up that is low on San from reading Over the Edge, So what dO i KnOw?

Zir,

How can such a bot be so consistent in its email
correspondence to so many people though? If he did create
such a good bot, then he earned every penny of his grant
to attend University of Northern Illinois or wherever it
was that he goes.

[ZirWeb]

Originally posted by Blackberry


How can such a bot be so consistent in its email
correspondence to so many people though? If he did create
such a good bot, then he earned every penny of his grant
to attend University of Northern Illinois or wherever it
was that he goes.

Have ChatBot for Email and a CutBot for writing thr rules.

ChatBot can be fine tune to say what you want.

And would not understand why you want it to die (above post from trying to run a game for him)

And you can get ChatBots that are in C++ ;)

Here chack this one out, it is a good one that I use from timt to time on ICQ:
http://www.alicebot.org/

Zir,

[HYBRID]

You start with the starting premise that a car mechanic has an IQ of between 70 & 100 which would be @ 7 to 10 C1 DP or default psyche. In other words, IQ is *inflated* by 10% @ low end of the IQ scale by 10%, probably so to create false impression that people have high IQ. Someone seemed to have misunderstood my IQ equation. What I sais was that @ height of 6 feet @ 36 C3 DP, he would be @ 13.09 C1 DP, giving him an IQ of [10*C1] = [10*13.09] = IQ of 130.9, where 13.09 C1 DP = 17.68 C2 DP = 36.01 C3 DP by 17.68^LOG10(17.68). And, for the equations of several years ago, they're been modified, sort of like an evolutionary process. By that I mean, '86 MU TSR rpg put STR of average adult @ 6, but this isn't exactly accurate as it doesn't take race into account, by that I mean the 6 should realy be @ 16 C2 DP. So, someone getting 20 STR in '86 MU TRSR rpg would be @ a lower race, allowing them to increase STR, the same way a blue whale has a length of 100 ft, by taking on shape that is less than ideal, by that i mean the more ideal shape you take the more expensive a body you have & the more it cost to have that body & why it cost MORE points in my rpg to have female body than a male body, because COM for human females is more expensive than the male body. And, getting back IQ, I *never* said that an average black man has an IQ of 73, *maybe* in some parts of African, but I was NOT referring to an average healthy physically fit adult male @ height of 6 ft, as @ shorter hieghts I meant a younger individual in his early teens, NOT fully reached adulthood, as children or young adults have less IQ than @ an older age, after reaching maturity. 3rd, the basic equation that I use for everything is X^LOG10(X), where X is some value, but you can't really use this equation for everything without units, which is where C3, C2, C1, & CA comes in. In other words, a CLASS 1,000 adamentium would be @ 1,000 C3 PL or power level, meaning someone with an IQ of 200 can create such a substance, by that I don't mean that Mr. Fantasic has an IQ of 200, but greatly greater than 200, as Doom_2099 has minimum of 300 to 476 IQ. And, for 2nd misquote or misunderstanding, I *never* said that by increasing height, you can withstand a nuclear blast. What I said was in order to increase heigt to let's say that of a Titan in the tv series Herculeas, the hidden mass needed for such a power stunt would be equal to that of nuclear TL, by that I don't mean that you can increase you heigh @ TL 7, but amount of energy for both power stunts are = to each other. And, the height equation I got, from the '80s tv series Voltron, where Hagar creates giant monsters : the show *never* gave the equation, but it was IMPLIED. So, I just put some #s in my calculator & matched with TL of nuclear technology, and resulting #s seemed to makes sense, and so I adopted the equations of height in ft. = [(his C3)^(1/2)], where C3 is @ PL, how you can create such monsters as Godzilla with this, by reducing its LS or life-span to levels you want, depending on what height you want & kind of powers you want for it or him. And, the equation to create a nuclear bomb is pretty accurate, as even theh North Korean with little food was able to use to create THE bomb, as all you need to be able to compute manpower based on race & height, using my soul equation of [(C3 PL of NUKE)^2]. So, if you wanted to create a nuclear bomb @ 40 C2 PL, then manpower needed = [368^2] = 135,424 humans working on the project ! What is 40 C2 PL nuclear bomb, it's TL that of about 1940 in USA. And, how did i get 368 ? I got 368 by 40^LOG10(40). You can also use some of my other equation to create strange matter, including the doomsday-weapon by creating "strangelet" which I talked about several times over the past several years with few of my equations, such as maybe by my dimensional travel eqtion.

[Tom B]

AAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIEIEEEEEEEERRRRRGGGGGHHHH!!!!!!!!

[Atom Man]

... and so it begins.

[HYBRID]

I took out my e-group mailing list, along with my homepage for rpg, and why it wasn't loading, as I wanted only 1 source. But, on a side note, my next update will have 20% bar of butter in cake recipe rather than (1/8) bar of butter, as it was too dry & needed more moisture, not that it has anything to do with rpg, in case someone wanted to eat while reading my super easy tri-stat rpg.

[Kai Tave]

Originally posted by HYBRID
I took out my e-group mailing list, along with my homepage for rpg, and why it wasn't loading, as I wanted only 1 source. But, on a side note, my next update will have 20% bar of butter in cake recipe rather than (1/8) bar of butter, as it was too dry & needed more moisture, not that it has anything to do with rpg, in case someone wanted to eat while reading my super easy tri-stat rpg.

Ah, no. I'm calling shenanigans. This is too convenient, and I have serious doubts that the creator of Hybrid could actually navigate the registration process of these forums.

[philippe tromeur]

Originally posted by Kai Tave Ah, no. I'm calling shenanigans. This is too convenient, and I have serious doubts that the creator of Hybrid could actually navigate the registration process of these forums. He does, I've checked HYBRID last version (not online) and it really does have 20% butter in the cake.

Welcome to this board !
(I hope I've not told too many bad things about the game ...)

[Tom B]

Originally posted by Kai Tave


Ah, no. I'm calling shenanigans. This is too convenient, and I have serious doubts that the creator of Hybrid could actually navigate the registration process of these forums.

Hrm. I'm inclined to agree. That post did not contain a single equation. Looking at the original Hybrid post, he used a couple of actual sentences.

[HYBRID]

The easiest equation that I can think for those who want to create mutants with energy blasting power(s) such as Jubille, Time-Bomb, Havok, Cyclops, Human Torch, or if power works in reverse as in the case of Invisible Woman, you use this for damage Nd6, where N = [[(his C2 DP) / 10]^2] = PL in Mutants & Materminds, but NOTE that PL in M&M is different from in Hybrid. So, a mutant @ power rating that of the Green Goblin would be @ 36 C2 DP IF depicted as in the Spiderman movie, allowing the Green Goblin to inflict 12.96d6 damage by [(36/10)^2] = [3.6^2]d6 damage, but only in his Green Goblin persona, as this power doesn't work by this equation for character in human form, becuase this equation is for mutants only, and needs modification when used as TL, where then, you'd use [(PL @ C2) / LOG10(PL @ C2)], where @ 152 C2 PL, he can inflict damage @ 69.67 DC, which is enough to destroy the entire sureface of a small planet. So, if u put Cyclops @ 50 C2 DP, then he can inflict 25d6 damage.

[Blackberry]

Originally posted by Kai Tave


Ah, no. I'm calling shenanigans. This is too convenient, and I have serious doubts that the creator of Hybrid could actually navigate the registration process of these forums.

I have to agree. He had to ask me step-by-step how to use
Google, click-by-click instructions on how to use a
YahooGroup, and he retains none of that information.
&nbsp;
Hitesh, if it really is you, post your stuff in the
Game Design forum and please, please, please ask the experts
there for help on turning your system into a playable game,
and listen to what they say.

[unheilig]

so the TIMECUBE guy wrote an rpg?


-educated stupid 'lig

[Zak Arntson]

I'll bite. HYBRID, say I want to get together with some buddies to play your game (I game every Monday, btw). Before next Monday, I'd like to make a mutant superhero. I want him to be a human/tarantula hybrid.

What's the _first_ step I take?

[John Wick]

Check out Rule #5 and Rule #23 (2+3=5). #23 references Rule #16 (1-6=5).

These rules describe "teleportation," "flight," and "demi-god scale."

Obviously, a Discordian code of some sort...
But what kind of code... :confused:

[HYBRID]

And, what someone said earlier was an *wrong*. I'm not racist, really. And, I *never* said that blacks have low IQ, unless you call range of 70 to 140 low, with average @ 123 IQ as low (??) for an adult, as I would NOT call an IQ of 123 low; nor an IQ of 66 low for a child<NOTE that my defintion of IQ is slightly different, and maybe the misunderstanding(s)>, unless you're talking about a child, but all children have low IQ. That kind of arguement against me or/& my rpg is NOT fair. I'm trying to make friends & a super easy & universal rpg that is easy to use & play, but compatible, but to so that I don't step on anyone copyrights, I came with an equation which can be applied to all rpgs : X^LOG10(X), which when used with units, CA, C1, C2, C3, or C4 is playable. And, I really wish you would not call me racist, as I'm nor racist. I love all cultures, relegions, political systems, and yes, one of my theory is that Communism is based on someone long ago taking a sentence from US Constitution literally "that all men are created equal" : so, IF & ONLY IF TRUE, then US fought itself during the Cold War, sort of like some of heroes in Marvel Comics fighting themselves, by creating villains where there were none, and how I interpret some of the so-called heroes, such as Spiderman, Batman, Superman, Silver Surfer, HULK, Xavier (whose Dark Phoenix is/works like the alien space ship created by mutants in tv show "TAKEN") : there was a similar story in a Spiderman comic. You can use 400 to 658 IQ to turn Mars into a giant space-ship, like in a Dr. Who episode, for Synnibarr rpg.

[Martial Controller]

Originally posted by Blackberry
By the way, where is it he goes? Illinois University? I think it was the same one as the FATAL guys.
The writer of FATAL went to Northern Illinois University, a fact that doesn't surprise me in the least. I e-mailed back and forth with him, trying to set up an interview, to submit as an RPGnet article. Unfortunately, he seemed to vanish around the same time that all the "fans" stopped posting here and his website disappeared.

I don't think there is an "Illinois University," but if this guy does go to school in Illinois, I'd like to find out. I wouldn't be surprised if both this and FATAL were just big jokes, perpetuated by the same people. In which case, I'd hunt them down and either kill htem or shake thier hands; I'm not sure.

[Blackberry]

At age 8, I measured off every test and chart they could
throw at me -- over 180 IQ (it only went to 180), over 12th
grade reading level (it only went to 12th grade), etc.

[Dr.Bubonicus]

This HYBRID game looks almost as 'kick ass' as F.A.T.A.L.

Is there a system for determining the size of my genitals or the color of my nipples? I won't play this game unless these formulae are present in the core mechanics. Sorry.

[HYBRID]

I'll bite. HYBRID, say I want to get together with some buddies to play your game (I game every Monday, btw). Before next Monday, I'd like to make a mutant superhero. I want him to be a human/tarantula hybrid.

What's the _first_ step I take?
--
For starters, my rpgs, uses advantages & limitations, just like in HERO rpg. So, if it's ok with you, I'll explain using advantages & limitations, as it might be easier for you to picture the character creations process, since using advantages & limitions, is a step by step process that anyone can master.

STEP 1 : You determine his COM : I say "his", because it get complicated if you try it on a woman, the math is annoyingly complicated if you try to create human female mutants, & why I don't try to make female mutants, as my physics is that good enough to make female mutants : It's LOT easier to create male mutants than it is to create female mutants. And, why total points for female mutants in HERO< in my opinions> is total points if she were guy, but that's whole another topic & discussion on fm. mts.

STEP 2 : Once you got his COM down. You figure out how how much of a trasformation you want for your character. But, you're probably wondering HOW do I give what # to COM. COM for guys is about same as given in HERO rpg, @ [(his C3 DP) / (pi +1)], gives about same result as in HERO rpg, though I *never* tried comparing my COM equation to that of HERO @ extreme scales such as for DC LOBO or MU Nova, hearld of Galactus, 2 most best looking characters in comics. And, yes, *skin tones* determines COM, where lighter the skin tone, the more points, and blacker the skin tone, more points it would cost to get that color & trait. And, why a white whale or white shark has more COM than others of its own species @ the same length & dimensions, IMHO.

STEP 3 : If you start out as an 6 ft. tall Italian with tan skin color, it's about @ 20 C2 DP or about @ 11.83 COM.

STEP 4 : Is determining what advantage you'd want to give him : limitations is just reverse of advantage & works in reverse of advantage, meaning +1 advantage start @ beginning, while -1 limitations, starts @ the end. If you give your character +1, you'd increase his needed C2 DP to 20*(1+1) = 40 C2 DP.

POWER CHART :
10 C2 DP : below average person @ IQ of 100
20 C2 DP : what you start with : the average European adult male
30 C2 DP : able to transform into a humanoid bug

*36 C2 DP : make you a were-tarantula @ +4/5 advantage

40 C2 DP : turn into a bug of your liking : shape-shifting power
< done ! your character is created, but it's mostly an *intuitive* process, meaning a trial & error, meaning you know that 30 is too & 50 is too high, so the correct amount should be @ 40 C2 DP >

STEP 5 : You, already, know based on how the MU Power Pack generate their powers, by having their C2 DP @ 1 unit higher than their C3 DP, where C3 DP is their human status, and C2 DP is their mutant status. So, you know this will give you accurate & the correct amount of psyche needed to generate your character.

[Kai Tave]

Originally posted by HYBRID
For starters, my rpgs, uses advantages & limitations, just like in HERO rpg. So, if it's ok with you, I'll explain using advantages & limitations, as it might be easier for you to picture the character creations process, since using advantages & limitions, is a step by step process that anyone can master.

*SNIP*

STEP 5 : You, already, know based on how the MU Power Pack generate their powers, by having their C2 DP @ 1 unit higher than their C3 DP, where C3 DP is their human status, and C2 DP is their mutant status. So, you know this will give you accurate & the correct amount of psyche needed to generate your character.

Sorry, but this makes too much sense. Please hang up and try again.

[Blackberry]

Well, that process is a bit more developed than when I tried
to create a character and have an example of play.

[Andrew Martin]

Originally posted by Kai Tave
Sorry, but this makes too much sense. Please hang up and try again.

I agree with Kai. The poster isn't Hybrid, but merely a well done imitation.

BTW, Welcome to RPG.net, HYBRID! :)

I've been doing this on Game Design forum, so why not here as well? :)

[Nilus]

Originally posted by Rich Ranallo
The writer of FATAL went to Northern Illinois University, a fact that doesn't surprise me in the least.

I hope that not a knock against the fine State I choose to reside. :)

[Ryan Paddy]

Originally posted by Blackberry
At age 8, I measured off every test and chart they could
throw at me -- over 180 IQ (it only went to 180), over 12th
grade reading level (it only went to 12th grade), etc.

IQ is relative to your age. It's your mental age divided by your actual age, expressed as a percentage. That's where the "quotient" name comes from. To get over 180 at age 8 you'd need a mental age of 14.4 or higher. That's the solution to "x/8 = 1.8". A bit of actual math for you, Mr Hybrid.

Of course, things get pretty squiffy when your mental age gets too far from the mean, as the tests aren't really designed to test children of that age for such a higher mental age, which it sounds like was the case for you, Blackberry.

This is old hat to many of you reading this, of course (and especially you, Blackberry, given that you're probably busy with your cure for cancer right now).

The interesting repercussion is that Hybrid's defence that his low IQ score for people of african origin related to their young age is a load of balony. It doesn't matter what your age is, the average IQ is always 100. That's because IQ is relative to your age. It was originally developed as an educational tool to assess if students were falling behind their class, or were far ahead and needed more challenge. Of course, having 100 IQ as an 8 year old doesn't mean you're as smart as a 20 year old with 100 IQ.

Especially when you take into account how culturally-specific and generally unsound most IQ tests are as a measure of intelligence. Whatever you might define "intelligence" to be.

Hybrid's author sounds almost as obsessive about race as he is about gender and pop culture. And not the "fun" sort of obsession.

Ryan

[Mithras]

Originally posted by Blackberry
Oh, and by the way, when I started with him, his "RPG" was
one page of rules which he was trying to reduce to one
equation. Even when it got to be well over 10 pages of
solid equations, he kept calling it the world's only one-
page RPG.

Again I say he's probably autistic. I read of a guy who spent years trying to create a mathematical formulae to explain natural human responses to social situations. He was trying to create a formula to predict social behaviour. And he was a smart guy with a good job in the computer industry. This was his 'hobby/obsession'.

[Atom Man]

Originally posted by HYBRID
... so, IF & ONLY IF TRUE, then US fought itself during the Cold War, sort of like some of heroes in Marvel Comics fighting themselves, by creating villains where there were none, and how I interpret some of the so-called heroes, such as Spiderman, Batman, Superman, Silver Surfer, HULK, Xavier (whose Dark Phoenix is/works like the alien space ship created by mutants in tv show "TAKEN") : there was a similar story in a Spiderman comic. You can use 400 to 658 IQ to turn Mars into a giant space-ship, like in a Dr. Who episode, for Synnibarr rpg.

God help me.

I think understand this part.

It's almost profound.




Or maybe just late in the day.

[Tom B]

Originally posted by HYBRID
there was a similar story in a Spiderman comic. You can use 400 to 658 IQ to turn Mars into a giant space-ship, like in a Dr. Who episode, for Synnibarr rpg.

Wait a second. He referenced Synnibarr...a non-superhero rpg. That can't be him, can it? If not, whoever it is is scary enough...he shows way too much understanding of how Hybrid works...

[JEhrhardt]

Originally posted by philippe tromeur
Subject: I added an extra 1 dozen rules, but I attempted to reduce the fat content to frpg, making it leaner, but will add more exmples later, including conversion to ZERG of Starcraft, after doing some reading of ZERG to make sure I get the conversion accurate as possible …

To: Philippe Tromeur <philippe.tromeur@wanadoo.fr>

…

But, i'll be adding another rule for conversion to
ZERG of Starcract later, but I need to do some reading
to make sure I get the next rule right for so the
conversion is accurate. Thanks for being a friend.

This explains at least 90% of Battle.Net. Who gave this man a computer?

[Jason Sartin]

Originally posted by Tom B
Wait a second. He referenced Synnibarr...a non-superhero rpg. It's close enough. Mutants (with superhero-like mutations), superheroes, and magic-using superheroes take up three of the Method I character classes.
<br>

[Futilitarian]

Originally posted by Mithras


Again I say he's probably autistic.

I have nothing to back up my hunch, but my hunch tells me he might be schizophrenic--but then, autism was once diagnosed as "childhood schizophrenia."

[HYBRID]

Dr. Banner uses this equation of persecution complex, meaning if you put Dr. Banner of MU @ 1,000 C3 DP, then the HULK would be @ [[1,000]^2] C3 DP or @ 1 million C3 DP for the HULK. So, if an oriental man is @ 10 C3 DP, then his persecution complex would be @ 100 C3 DP that of an elite American soldier looking down on him to see if he's violating any laws of United Nations or breach of any international laws. This equation is, also, used by Chakotay, Jameway, & Q, meaning Jameway's C2 would be square that of Chokatay, and Chokatay's psyche would be square root of Jameway's, with any victim of the Q would be, also, square root of Q's psyche, same as that of Jameway. But, this equation does not work @ all values for all people, for example, you can NOT use it on a black man @ 16 C2 DP, since there's NO entity @ 16^2. @ C2 DP. But, if you put him @ 30 C3 DP, then 30^2 = 900 C3 DP for the Confederate states before & during the Civil War; and, if you put him @ 36 C3 DP, then the Confederate states would be @ 36^2 = 1,296 C3 default psyche. And, if you reduce his C3 DP to 10, then his PC = or @ 100 C3 DP.

[Ryan Paddy]

Is this your way of discussing your persecution complex, Hybrid?

[Atom Man]

Shhhhh.

It's getting interesting, now.

[Ryan Paddy]

Step away from the computer with your hands where we can see them, Atom Man.

[Atom Man]

Seriously, I think he's leading up to something.

... just taking awhile to get there.

[Ben Brown]

He's clever that way. He always looks like he's on the verge of making sense.

[Dr.Bubonicus]

I remember having these conversations with kids in the chill out room at raves. The famous "I think he's getting to something. It's just taking him a bit" was always amusing sometimes enlightening.

HYBRID rocks. I'm not sure about the game, but you have to admire the complete and all-consuming nature of his vision. To us, this seems like total nonesense. To him, it is an internally consistant model. I want to know how.

Do it up HYBRID. I'm all ears.

Like I often tell my players in Call of Cthulhu -

SAN is not a measure of your "psychological hit points"

SAN is the currency with which you purchase TRUTH.

[Ryan Paddy]

Originally posted by HYBRID
Dr. Banner uses this equation of persecution complex, meaning if you put Dr. Banner of MU @ 1,000 C3 DP, then the HULK would be @ [[1,000]^2] C3 DP or @ 1 million C3 DP for the HULK. So, if an oriental man is @ 10 C3 DP, then his persecution complex would be @ 100 C3 DP that of an elite American soldier looking down on him to see if he's violating any laws of United Nations or breach of any international laws. This equation is, also, used by Chakotay, Jameway, & Q, meaning Jameway's C2 would be square that of Chokatay, and Chokatay's psyche would be square root of Jameway's, with any victim of the Q would be, also, square root of Q's psyche, same as that of Jameway. But, this equation does not work @ all values for all people, for example, you can NOT use it on a black man @ 16 C2 DP, since there's NO entity @ 16^2. @ C2 DP. But, if you put him @ 30 C3 DP, then 30^2 = 900 C3 DP for the Confederate states before & during the Civil War; and, if you put him @ 36 C3 DP, then the Confederate states would be @ 36^2 = 1,296 C3 default psyche. And, if you reduce his C3 DP to 10, then his PC = or @ 100 C3 DP.

I'm sorry, how does this look like it's verging on making sense?

Is he basically saying "these fictional characters have persecution complexes" and "these number represent how big their complexes are"?

I mean, some RPG designers like to assign numbers to everything. Let's say he's just doing that (a small stretch). Let's say you might actually need modifiers based on degree of persecution complex in a game (a big stretch). Why the hell would you trust this guy's pop-culture based intuition of what those modifiers should be?

Ryan

On the other hand, I liked the bit about how the U.S. created its own enemy and was essentially fighting itself in the Cold War. Sounds just like Afganistan and Iraq, only they seem less metaphorical and more literal to me (providing training and resources, etc).

But do you hear me trying to put that in an equation?

[Ryan Paddy]

Hey Hybrid, or C++ or however you like to be called. Can you tell us a bit about yourself? I'm interested in what sort of person you are, and it sounds like some other people around here are too. You've got some unusual ideas, and an unusual way of expressing them. I'd like to know what the person behind those ideas is like.

Ryan

[Dr.Bubonicus]

Me too.

[jrients]

Originally posted by XaosHeruka
Like I often tell my players in Call of Cthulhu -

SAN is not a measure of your "psychological hit points"

SAN is the currency with which you purchase TRUTH.

Holy carp. That's got to be one of the coolest damn things anyone has ever said.

[Dr.Bubonicus]

Don't you agree?

I mean, most of the folks I know who have a working philosophy that isn't a re-interpretation of someone else's maxim seem fairly nuts when describing their trip.

[HYBRID]

For years, I've been trying to working the flight values in the '86 MU TSR rpg, as it only gave Class 1,000 for light speed, with no explanation for lower & higher values. But, the equation that I would find would fit all my other equations but 1. So, I'm not sure if my rpg is yet complete. But, the story begins years ago, when searching for this 1 elusive equation, when I had to restructure the entire game, just about everything, including coming up with an entire NEW set of units, just make sense out of the flight values. And, several hours ago after midnight yesterday, as my rpg seemed on the verge of being complete, as there was this 1 equation yet not fully yet complete, though I assumed my other FTL equations were correct, but I wanted to make sure it really was correct & what I thought was correct wasn't just a figment of my imagination like those nuts in the movie "TAKEN". So, I was surfing the web, looking @ old classic Marvel rpg, and came across a valuable of piece of information, the Shi'Ar Battlecruiser @ 3,000 flight. BINGO ?? I plugged in both this number into what seemed like brainstom, like an avalanch. I used 3,000 flight @ 3,000 C2 PL, and I got something amazing. I was for a moment just staring the #s. Is my rpg finally complete ? So, I decided to try the equation on War I aerial warplanes, and WWII aerial war planes. The output I was getting was amazingly accurate, but there was still 1 problem, what about the body or size of the spaceship, since a ZERG can't fly without any difference points. So, I added Body into the equation. The body of the Shi'Ar battlecruiser was @ 75 which comes out to 75 C2 PL, since most tech objects are @ 75 C2 PL in my homebrew rpg. I used COM variable for body, since that's what usually use for body. So, I had add 75 to 3,000, which comes to 3,075 - 75, resulting in 3,000, which was incomplete or inaccurate, as I had to add 75 then subtract 75, resulting in 3,000 of which I would plug it into the equation. Wow ! I was looking at the #s I was getting. I said to myself, "This could it". THE equation I've been searching for years. And, for the moment this equation seems consistant with all the other rules I had to create from scratch to see if the flight values given by '86 MU TSR rpg really made sense, as I hate accepting anything without proves, so I had to come up with a whole series of axioms & postules, including theories on hidden mass & all sort of weird stuff, over the years, just to get to this equation. And, you're probably wondering WHAT'S THE EQUATION. It's velocity = 10^[((C2 PL) - COM)^(1/3)], @ {km or mi} / hour, but the fuel would run out in @ hours, so you'd have to slow down to 168x to get LY / year using one of my other equations. but this equation really rocks ! This THE mother of all equations, since it was search for this question that started it all. So, if you try it on a Zerg @ 30 C2 DP, where it's LS or life-span = [30 - 10] = 20, giving it a PL of [30 + 10] = 40 of which its COM would be @ 20, so it's PL for flight = [40 - 20] = 20, giving it a flight velocity of 10^2.714 = 518 {mi or km.} / hour for a Zerg.
If you try this on a TL object such as a plane, at mass of 1 ton, you don't need to add any points for body, so @ 10 C2 PL, a World War I plane @ 10 C2 PL @ 10 C0 flight would have a velocity of 10^[10^(1/3)] = 10^2.154 = 142.704 {mi. or km} / hour. And, if you try this on a WWII plane @ 20 C2 PL @ 20 C0, its flight velocity = 10^[20^(1/3)] = 10^2.714 = 518 {km or mi} / hour. And, for a modern American aerial warplane @ 30 C2 PL @ 30 C0 flight = 10^[30^(1/3)] = 10^3.107 = 1,280 {mi or km} / hour for maximum velocity @ mass of 1 ton. If you increase mass to 10 tons, u need to add 10 C2 PL points for each of those steps. So, the C 1,000 for light speed as '86 MU TSR rpg put it out as which I would write it as 1,000 C0 was essentially correct, but only took me several years to figure this out after countless equations, and I needed an equation to give me velocity for FTL which the '86 MU TSR rpg didn't give or write, but this velocity equation, I can, now, compute the exact velocity of Kree or Shi'Ar battle cruiser @ any value greater than 1,000, which was would still give a problem, since light speed I was getting was @ 687.487 C2 PL for 687.487 C0 flight for a spaceship @ length of 10 meters which worked nicely with one of my other FTL equations, where 687.487 C0 flight works nicely for the Millenium Falcoln of Star Wars. So, I tried this other FTL on C 1,000 to get length of spaceship, giving me a value of 10^1.455 meters by 10^[1,000 / 687.487] length in meters, giving me a length of 28.482 meters = [3.281*28.482] = length of 93.445 feet for a spaceship moving @ C 1,000 @ light-speed velocity, since 687.487 C0 = light speed velocity for a spaceship @ length of 10 meters. The PROBLEM was still uncertainty in body or size. But, if I use [1,000 - 687.487] = 312.513 C2 PL for body, but this 312.513 C2 PL is mass & size of a moon, not sure if my rpg is complete, maybe not.

[Mytholder]

Not a bad imitation, but you're so not Hitesh. Please stop it.

[NPC Wizdoc]

This brings back memories of my Delta Green campaign where the characters investigated the suicide of a noted matematician - who calculated the exact date for the end of the world.

Very bizarre, yet very cool.


Wizdoc

[Blackberry]

Originally posted by Atom Man


God help me.

I think understand this part.

It's almost profound.




Or maybe just late in the day.

But, if the US fought itself in the Cold War, what does that
make its Comeliness?

[Martial Controller]

Originally posted by Nilus
I hope that not a knock against the fine State I choose to reside. :)
No, it's a knock at NIU. Wouldn't make much sense for me to knock the fine state in which I choose to reside, either.

[Blackberry]

Originally posted by Ryan Paddy


I'm sorry, how does this look like it's verging on making sense?

Is he basically saying "these fictional characters have persecution complexes" and "these number represent how big their complexes are"?

I mean, some RPG designers like to assign numbers to everything. Let's say he's just doing that (a small stretch). Let's say you might actually need modifiers based on degree of persecution complex in a game (a big stretch). Why the hell would you trust this guy's pop-culture based intuition of what those modifiers should be?
[...]

That's exactly the point. He's found THE numbers, THE
equations that work in and link together ALL role-playing
games. With his equations, you can get any number for any
character in any RPG. Of course, it's either going to be
their Comeliness or Tech Level, but hey...

[Nilus]

Originally posted by Rich Ranallo

No, it's a knock at NIU. Wouldn't make much sense for me to knock the fine state in which I choose to reside, either.

Okay then thats okay :D . Feel free to knock NIU. Better not start ragging on EIU though. (Go Panthers!!) :)

[Nilus]

Originally posted by Blackberry
That's exactly the point. He's found THE numbers,

The True Name of GOD.

Maybe hes a Kabalist

[HYBRID]

Everyone look @ page 115 in the World of Synnibarr ! This is so amazing ! The gods have truely given me a great rpg, HYBRID. And, again, HYBRID show how universal it is. HOW ? The Life Points for characters in Synnibarr is @ C4 stat in my homebrew rpg system HYBRID. I'M NOT JOKING ! THIS IS TRUE ! THIS IS 100% TRUE ! SYNNIBARR is using my C4 stats !!!!!! This is exactly what I meant by Maxwell's Equation of time travel, rpg gamers are plagerizing my future thoughts ????? PROBABLY JUST A COINCIDENCE, sort of like me using [(C2 PL) - body]^(1/3) to get velocity(mi/hr;km/hr) & it happens to be similar to the '86 MU TSR rpg. But, you're probably wondering what the heck is a C4 stat. I'll explain to you guys what a C4 stat is. I only used for SAT score for someone @ high C3 DP, as I never came across anyone using a C4 stat until now, when I was flipping through the book, trying to make sense out of it. But, when the gods had me turn to page 115. THERE IT WAS STARING ME IN THE FACE. My C4 stat ! For the character "Juggernaut Class", it & its wearer, sort of like a symbiot, but it/he/they are @ 2,079,000,000 points ! THIS IS MY C4 STAT ! HOW ??? I"ll tell you, in a second. If you put this guy or thing @ 56 C2 DP which = 21 C1 PL = 1,138.05 C3 PL = [2.188 * 10^9], which is close enough, as you get the picture that his guy is @ my C4 stat. But, notice that I use PL, rather than DP, becuase PL is given to technology & DP is given to mutants, because mutant power(s) is more permanent than technology, since the wearer didn't create the tehcnology he's using, which is usually the case, except for Iron_Man, and why I give both Tony Stark & Iron_Man the same values. This is so amazing ! It's nice to know that I'm moving in the right direction, even though my rpg is not yet complet, mostly due to the uncertainty principle blocking me from figuring out the exact velocity for the flight equation @ FTL, but getting back Synnibarr. I'M SHOCKED ! THE C4 stat, also, works for the "Saber Class", as well forits life points. If you're wondering how I got 56 C2 PL, it's by 21^LOG10(21) = 56; 56^LOG10(56) = 1,138.05 C3 PL; and, finally, 1,138.05^LOG10(1,138.05) = 2.188 * 10^9 life points forJug. Cls.

[HYBRID]

I meant to say it was @ 56 C2 PL, in the starting statement of my example. I rushed my post, and didn't see that I accidently typed "DP" rather than "PL" in the example, as the Juggernaut Class on p. 115 is technology & should be given a 56 C2 PL, and NOT a 56 C2 DP, which would give it way too many points, almost TOO many. Anyway, start of the example should be @ 56 C2 PL. So, the "56 C2 DP" in earlier post is a typo : IGNORE IT. The unit should be @ PL or power level, not @ default psyche, in example.

[Atom Man]

Darn. I don't own World of Synnibarr.

[Scorpio Rising]

Originally posted by Blackberry
At age 8, I measured off every test and chart they could
throw at me -- over 180 IQ (it only went to 180), over 12th
grade reading level (it only went to 12th grade), etc.

My friend Chloe had her IQ tested three times between the age of 13 and 18. Her highest score was 38.

Nowadays, Chloe is 27. She is a fully qualified MD and works for NASA.

Put that in your crack pipe and smoke it, everyone who wasted 5CP's on Mensa membership....

- Scorpio being all plebian and shit.

[HYBRID]

The chart on p. 114 for armor in terms of life-points is off in big way : 50%, not sure exactly until I make more calculations, so I'll get to you guys later, as to exactly how much after i make sure.

[Skadedyr]

Originally posted by HYBRID Isn't impersonating someone a bannable offence?

That seems to be what you're doing, if I understand the moderator's statement. (Is the Hybrid author named Hitesh?)

[Nilus]

Originally posted by Scorpio Rising
My friend Chloe had her IQ tested three times between the age of 13 and 18. Her highest score was 38.

Nowadays, Chloe is 27. She is a fully qualified MD and works for NASA.

I have to honestly Ask if Chloe was trying at either test. A 38 is extremely low.

Like any test an IQ test is subjective. Some people test better then others. Some people are just smarter in some areas. I personally can't spell to save my soul and my grammar is awful, but then again I graduated top of my class in computer science and passed 3 years of Calculus(300+) level or higher math courses without every cracking open a book.

So is your friend Chloe hot :D

[HYBRID]

After countless calculations, I finally figured out correct C2 PL for a or the most modern US aircraft carrier @ length of 1 kilometer is @ 75 C2 PL by length of modern technology object @ length of C3 PL @ unit [ft.] which you convert to meters by dividing by 3.281 to get [75^LOG10(75)] / 3.281 = (3,279.856 ft) / (3.281 ft./meter) = 999.651 meters long for a modern US aircraft carrier @ 75 C2 PL. So, in Synnibarr rpg, since Synnibarr rpg is @ C4 stat, this modern US aircraft carrier would get [2.297 * 10^12] life points in Synnibarr @ 75 C2 PL by [75^LOG10(75)]^[75^LOG10(75)] = 3,279.856^LOG10(3,279.856) = [2.297 * 10^12] life points or LP, where 75 C2 PL = 3,279.856 C3 PL by 75^LOG10(75)= 3,279.856.

[HYBRID]

[75^LOG10(75)]^[75^LOG10(75)]
should be @ :
[75^LOG10(75)]^LOG10([75^LOG10(75)])
= 3,279.856^LOG10(3,279.856)
= 2.297 * 10^12,
where
75 is @ C2 PL
3,279.856 is @ C3 PL
2.297 * 10^12 is @ C4 PL

[mathey]

...

[Matthew]

Parts of Hybrid feel like unedited Terminus V.

[Blackberry]

Originally posted by Scorpio Rising


My friend Chloe had her IQ tested three times between the age of 13 and 18. Her highest score was 38.

Nowadays, Chloe is 27. She is a fully qualified MD and works for NASA.

Put that in your crack pipe and smoke it, everyone who wasted 5CP's on Mensa membership....

- Scorpio being all plebian and shit.

I'm just saying that not every child has low IQ.

[HYBRID]

I was taking a computer class once, there was this girl that used her sexuality to get guys, including the professor, to help her solve the problems : that's UNFAIR advantage women have in college : guys can't do that. Guys solve the problems themselves.

[Blackberry]

Originally posted by HYBRID
I was taking a computer class once, there was this girl that used her sexuality to get guys, including the professor, to help her solve the problems : that's UNFAIR advantage women have in college : guys can't do that. Guys solve the problems themselves.

Of course they can. There are plenty of gay/bi male
professors as well as straight/bi female professors.

[Caduceus]

Any of you guys notice MU in his rantings? In Zen Buddhism that is the word used in one of the Koans to unask a question.

[Matthew]

Hybrid: What do you do for a living?

[Scorpio Rising]

Matt, you thinking of hiring him?

Yeah, Chloe was hot. Some people don't test well.

I think that IQ is in itself pretty mythical. There are multiple foci for intelligence and that's that. IQ is kind of a vanity and I'm opposed to its use in educational theory. I don't mean to offend anyone... well, not everyone... who's ever had their IQ tested.

And I'm hot too. That's how I got all the clever girls to help carry me through my physics course.

Cheers,

- Scorpio flirting unscrupulously.

[Matthew]

Originally posted by Scorpio Rising
Matt, you thinking of hiring him?

Yes.

I'm HYPNOTIZED by his writing!

[HYBRID]

My professor won't answer any questions regarding organic chemistry, and since chemistry is dangerous if one makes a mistake, had to drop my organic class, and same with df. eqt : the damn professors won't answer any of my question. What good is college, if they won't answer any of your question. THE SAME PROBLEM IN ALL MY CLASSES : NO PROFESSORS ANSWER ANY OF MY QUESTIONS !! AH ! I'M PAYING THEM WITH MY TUITION $$. They just SAY read the book, like in HERO newsgroup : it's good advice upto a points, as I managed to figure out that both HERO & HYBRID uses advantages & limitations, and that total for characters = their IQ, and noticed that most people give too low a score on INT for Dr. DOOM when writing him up in HERO, and lot of HERO books gives ad hoc total points for their characters, if that's true, what do you need a rule book for ?? And, getting back differential equations, my mind refuses go any further unless I can manage to figure this stuff, out. WHY ? The next would be FRACTALS : WHAT A NIGHTMARE !! THE PROBLEMS NEVER END. Women are lucky they're not men ! Men have to figure all this hard stuff out, and all a woman has to is a find a man. The only woman that I found to be a genius rejected me in 7th grade. DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW TO DO FRACTALS ?? I can't find any book that will explain the stuff step by step by step. They just give out some complex equation, sometimes a hybrid of df. eqtn. And, I can't find a single book, nor a single web-page for it. Ah !

[Phishtrader]

Hybrid,

Could Hybrid be used to run CoC?

Jon

P.S. You should have your rpg published. It's that great!

[RobotHead]

Originally posted by HYBRID
I can't find any book that will explain the stuff step by step by step. They just give out some complex equation, sometimes a hybrid of df. eqtn. And, I can't find a single book, nor a single web-page for it. Ah !

The irony here is beautiful.

[Arbane the Terrible]

Originally posted by Jon M. Berg
Could Hybrid be used to run CoC?


I doubt it.

But it would make good writings by the 0 SAN NPC....

Oh, when C++ mentions 'MU', he probably means 'Marvel Universe' (the comics).

[d3nial]

RULE # 90 : Distance an astronomer can travel, but EXCLUDING TELEPORTATION, = 10^[3*((C2/10) - 1)] = 10^[3*Y], in unit ‘miles’, where, if his initial C2 DP = 10, then Y = [(C2/10) - 1 ], which is referred to as ADVANTAGE, where +4 if @ 50 C2 = 770 C3 = 770 mph, while +3 @ 40 C1 is teleportation to anywhere on the planet @ diameter of 10,000 miles, where 30 C1 @ + 2 is teleportation anywhere within a city, and 20 C1 @ + 1 is teleportation anywhere within a large man-made object such as battleship. So, magnitude of ADVANTAGE depends on C2 or C1 that the (+) is @, where (+) = either [-1 + (C2 / 10)] or [(C1/10) - 1]. So, if the moon is @ distance of 250,000 miles, you’d want to use ADVANTAGE {is consuming points from left to right in the positive (+) direction} of +1.80, but note that my equation uses the unit ‘kilometers’, which can be used here under certain circumstances in HYBRID RPG, which is referred to as LIMITATIONS if points are consumed from right to left in the negative (-) direction. So, @ +1.80 ADVANTAGE, he’s be able to travel a distance of 10^[3*1.8] = 10^5.4 = 250,000 miles by technology created by someone else or some group of people. But, if you want to figure out what +1.80 equals in terms of C2 default psyche of the astronomer, then C2 = [10*(Y + 1)], giving a C2 DP of 28 @ 1.80 Y, but NOTE that “Y”, here, is a variable, and NOT a quantity, where quantity Y = 250, according to RULE # 55. So, for teleportation, change unit ‘C2’ to ‘C1’ to figure out distance for teleportation. To figure out time travel in # of years, replace unit ‘miles’ to ‘years’, and replace unit ‘C1’ to ‘CA’. And, NOTE that C1 = CA^LOG10(CA); so, 20 CA = 49.28 C1 = 733.10 C2 = (1.62 * 10^8) C3 or (1.62 * 10^*) @ C3, where C3 is point distribution of magnitude [C3]. And, IF you want to use the term ACTIVE POINTS, THEN the ACTIVE POINTS would be @ C3, in HYBRID, while the REAL POINTS OR REAL COST, would be C2, in HYBRID, for weapons, humans, & mutants, and etc. But, NOTE that C3 does NOT always equal Active Points if power stunt extremely expensive which in that case AP is @ C2 & Real Points or RP is @ C1, in some rare places, though using common sense seems allows one to be pretty accurate in many places. This equation for time travel is THEN SIMPLIFIED TO : 10^[-1 + (C1/30)], in # of years that he can travel either backward or forward in time to an alternate timeline. But, NOTE that 40 C3 does NOT equal 40 C2 which does NOT equal 40 C1 which does NOT equal 40 CA, as all 3 magnitudes are different. The 40 C3 is referred to as ACTIVE COST OR ACTIVE POINTS IN this rpg, and where 40 C2 is referred to as REAL COST OR REAL POINTS IN HERO rpg, but only for low powered mutants, as when mutants use magic or sci-fi TL, then AC is @ C2, & RP is @ C1, so unit of magnitude or point distribution depends of the type of power(s) the character(s) or/and technology has & for how long, & also depending on his LS or life-span. So, THEN, if you want to figure out C3, then NOTE that C3 = C2^LOG10(C2), and NOTE that C2 = C1^LOG10(C1). And, there’s ALSO the life-span & power level you need to keep track of when manipulating points, as according to RULE # 2. Anyway, getting back to the time-travel which is what this rule is mainly about, as well as this RULE # 89 is about distance that an astronomer using technology created by a genius can travel a maximum distance of, THEN Peter Parker or Spiderman would be able to travel a time distance of 10^[-1 + (40/30)] = 10^.33 = 10^(1/3) = 2.154 years backward or forward in time to an alternate time-line : you can use this equation for the main character in the tv series, “Dead Zone”. IF you want to reduce height of a giant such as a Titan, then just refer to RULE # 4 & RULE # 130, & use a lower C2.

... ouch!

[HYBRID]

That's just a complicated way of saying that if you give Jameway a 92 C1 DP, then you should give Chocotay a 92 C2 DP : that's what the astronomer's equation is. In other words, an an astronomer @ 30 C2 DP going a distance of 1 million miles wouldn't have to worry about bone loss as much as a guy @ 20 C2 DP, which is what an AVERAGE American or Russian astronomer is @ 20 C2 DP, using template of guy @ 10 C2 DP being in the same city forever, while a guy @ 20 C2 DP can travel anywhere he like in country. And, while a 30 C2 DP guy can go anywhere to any country, which when translated to an astonomer when he can travel a distance of 1 million miles @ 30 C2 LS, but a distance of 1 billion miles @ 40 C2 PL @ cost of reducing his life-span to human levels, but he's still need permission of NASA to get access to space shuttle or some similar tech vessel to allow him to travel to space. So, what the movie "SPECIES" is about is IF YOU CONVERT THE NEEDED C2 PL to travel to Mars to his [C2 DP], you'd get a super mutant : the equation to create a mutant out of a human : used by AKIRA, except maximum human potential was moved UP AN EXTRA 10 C1 DP points from 20 C1 DP TO 30 C1 DP, meaning AKIRA GETTING A 30 C1 DP WHICH IS POWER LEVEL THAT OF MU GRAVITON OR THE DC FIRESTORM: which is a fancy way of saying if you convert his C3 to C2 DP, you got youself a mutant, changed from a human, @ higher evolution state or status : the same equation of C3 to C2 is used by Narrator of MU to create the members of the Power Pack. But, Franklin Richards is @ C1 @ whatever level that the Power Pack is @ C2 DP, meaning if you put the Power Pack @ 40 C2 DP, then Franklin Richards is @ 40 C1 DP, with a human Cacasian male child after reaching adulthood would end up @ 40 C3 DP. But, I'm not sure why they gave the girls ability to change to gas or light.

[d3nial]

Originally posted by HYBRID
But, I'm not sure why they gave the girls ability to change to gas or light.

Yep, that's got me stumped too, especially trying to derive it from a model of bone-loss during inter-planetary flight...

d3

[HYBRID]

I meant to say that an astonomer @ 30 C2 DP would less likely to suffer from bone loss rather than someone @ 20 C2 DP, and the guy with more points could make more long distance flights, etc. The guy @ 20 C2 DP suffers no health @ distance of 1,000 miles, but @ distance of 1 million, his health deterioates considerably, because he's not built for that kind of long distance travel. But, the guy @ 30 C2 DP has no problem making 1 million mi. journey : in fact, if he reduced his life-span from 30 C2 to 20 C2, he could increase his distance to 1 billion miles, which is LOT more, since by reducing his life-span to 20 C2, it would allow him to increase his power level to 40 C2, by [30 + 10] PL, decreasing his LS or life span to [30 - 10] = 20 C2 life-span, which is about 98 years.

[Phishtrader]

Originally posted by HYBRID
I meant to say that an astonomer @ 30 C2 DP would less likely to suffer from bone loss. . . .

astonomer = astronaunt THIS IS A QUESTION

[HYBRID]

Yes, I meant "astronomer", like in 'astronaut'. I spelled it wrong, as didn't check my spelling before clicking on send button. But, don't get me wrong, that the guy can NOT get to the edge of the solar system @ 50 C2 DP, at least NOT without serious negative effects. The equation is meant to be used with technology, sort of like you using your car to get to work, is how the equation works.

[Phishtrader]

Originally posted by HYBRID
Yes, I meant "astronomer", like in 'astronaut'. I spelled it wrong, as didn't check my spelling before clicking on send button. But, don't get me wrong, that the guy can NOT get to the edge of the solar system @ 50 C2 DP, at least NOT without serious negative effects. The equation is meant to be used with technology, sort of like you using your car to get to work, is how the equation works.

Obviously.

[Matthew]

Originally posted by Jon M. Berg


astonomer = astronaunt THIS IS A QUESTION

Jesus, Jon, are you speaking to this guy in his own language? That's very Cthulhu Investigator of you!

[Mytholder]

Originally posted by Skadedyr
Isn't impersonating someone a bannable offence?

That seems to be what you're doing, if I understand the moderator's statement. (Is the Hybrid author named Hitesh?)

Eh. The jury's still out on whether Hitesh/C++ (the guy who posts all the Hybrid junk on rec.games.*) is a someone. Either way, I don't think it's the same guy who's here - it's an increasingly good impression, though, and I might be wrong. There were actual sentences in these posts though, which is a bit of a giveaway.

Anyway - impersonating someone is bannable. Impersonating an unintelligible loon who posts screenfuls of bizarre pseudomath isn't, but it probably be considered trolling if it starts happening outside this thread.

[DougSun]

Glancing through this thread for the first time, I'm getting weird echoes of the article in the Atlantic Monthly about Bobby Fischer becoming completely unhinged. Dim echoes, but echoes nonetheless.
http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/2002/12/chun.htm

[NPC Bill Coffin]

BILL'S CRAZY WHACK VOODOO RPG COCKTAIL

Ingredients
One quart Hybrid
Two pinches F.A.T.A.L.
One teaspoon Synnibar
One 1/4 cup SenZar
A whole clove Spawn of Fashan
A sprig of Timecube for garnish

Directions
1. Mix all ingredients. Wait 90^(1/2)) + 1)^2] = 109.974 = 110 C2 DP minutes for flames to die down.

2. Ingest at room temperature.

4. Watch in mirror as head explodes, like that poor bastard from Scanners.

5. Rinse. Repeat as necessary STUPID.


Bill Coffin
"a Godzilla-like monster in a 1990 Godzilla movie"

[Ben Brown]

Originally posted by NPC Bill Coffin
A whole clove Spawn of Fashan


A whole clove?

Crikey, do you know how hard that stuff is to find?

[HYBRID]

Change in Rule # 90 to square root of C2 PL for distance in miles, but forgot to make 1 modification in my last update that being distance of what was the old equation @ C2 PL is now @ C1 PL. So, @ 40 C1 PL, the distance would be @ 1 trillion miles, which was INCORRECTLY GIVEN @ C2 PL, which should have been @ C1. But, this doesn't change Chocotay being @ 92 C2 DP, while Jameway being @ 92 C1 DP : only small but major modification.

[Phishtrader]

Originally posted by mattcolville


Jesus, Jon, are you speaking to this guy in his own language? That's very Cthulhu Investigator of you!

Hybrid seems to only be answering serious questions.

[Phishtrader]

Originally posted by HYBRID
Change in Rule # 90 to square root of C2 PL for distance in miles, but forgot to make 1 modification in my last update that being distance of what was the old equation @ C2 PL is now @ C1 PL. So, @ 40 C1 PL, the distance would be @ 1 trillion miles, which was INCORRECTLY GIVEN @ C2 PL, which should have been @ C1. But, this doesn't change Chocotay being @ 92 C2 DP, while Jameway being @ 92 C1 DP : only small but major modification.

Byakhee @ 143 C2 DP makes trip from Yuggoth 2 Earth. Formula for ETA QUESTION. Yuggoth = Pluto

[NPC Balance]

Hybrid, it's obvious you've put an immense amount of time into this, but it seems as if you may be trying to put the cart before the horse as it were.

First, what is your major? This could be very enlightening to us, as it would help us understand a range of things.

Second, how did you get started creating Hybrid?

[Vic]

:eek:


AAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAH!

My brain broke!

[HYBRID]

forgot to say :

X = C2 PL
distance = 10^[[C2 PL]^(1/2)], in miles or kilometers
NOT [C2 PL]^(1/2), but
distance = 10^[[C2 PL]^(1/2), for an astronomer with
help of technology, sort of like using your car to get to work
{this equation is different for teleporation, as this only
applies to Normal space, NOT for hyper or warp space}
AND,
as to what I do,
I'm trying to catch with some of my past friends,
all of them geniuses, except for me, and why
I'm obsessed with science, though I'm NOT talented
in the field of science, as I figure if I have tendency
to make friends that are geniuses, maybe the gods
are trying to tell me something like hang in there
and one day you'll figure it all out, but NOT soon enough !

[HYBRID]

The 1st rpg that I read was the '86 MU TSR rpg ?

But, the rpg never stated exactly how far an object
would greater than Class 1,000, nor exactly stated
how fast it would move less than C 1,000, though
it gave some vague references & vague examples.
The only thing they gave was C 1,000 was light
speed velocity. Then, there was other annoying stuff,
like putting Wolverine's adamentium @ C 1,000 &
vibranium @ C 3,000, but '86 MU TSR rpg put HULK
& Galactus @ SAME THE STR ! My brain almost exploded
looking @ that, and knowing that Galactus could have
earth for lunch, like a polar bear taking on arctic whale.
So, there had to be a way of making sense of it. And,
only way was to give different unit to both of those STRs.
But, there was a problem, that being maybe it was
correct in a weird way, IF they mean when Galactus
was @ height of HULK. And, for Galactus being @ C 1,000
meant his psyche, rather than his STR, both of them
had to be different or @ different units. So, I gave it
or psyche of Galactus @ C1 & STR @ C2 : but, just trying
to do that or make that leap in logic took years & so
many countless scenerios like war games, like the US
Pentagon plays with itself with various different scenerious
until it comes across one that makes sense with logical
predictions, rather ad hoc what if & wishful thinking.
But, THEN [ OH ! GOD ! ], COMES ALONG A GUY KNOWN AS
DR. STRANGE THAT JUST ABOUT SCREWS UP EVERYTHING
JUST WHEN I THOUGHT I SOLVED THE PUZZLE. THIS GUY
HAS POWER TO TURN EARTH TO SWIZZ CHEEZE, BUT IS
ONLY @ power rating [ NUMERICALLY SPEAKING ] that of
Iceman [ my brain almost exploded ], but it almost made
sense, if both Iceman & Spiderman created minature black
holes with zero gravity [ Iceman using to create ice ] &
[Spiderman using it to create his webbing ]. That almost
solved the puzzle, but then this guy, Dr. Strange attempts
to take on MEPHISTO [ AND, I ALMOST GO SCREAMING !].
THIS GUY DR. STRANGE CAN TAKE ON THE DEVIL HIMSELF !!!
AH !!!!! IS THERE ANYTHING THAT this guy Dr. Strange can't
do ? Anyway, just thinking about his problem, I failed all
my classes in one my semester, with my brain being totally
pre=occupied with this problem, not able to think about
anything else, excep to solve this god damn puzzle ! So,
years later, I would come across next version of MU rpg
called the MU SAGA, which was TOTALLY INSANE ! I had to
solve another puzzle that being how can I come up with
average psyche for this game. It took me years to figure it
out for MU '86, then MU puts out a new game with a new
puzzel, and it took me the same amount of time to figure it
out, years, AGAIN, but I figured it out ! Dr. Strange's magic
is @ HIGHER STAT LEVEL, those bastards gave them all the
same unit in '86 MU TSR rpg, THE SAME UNIT "Class", when
they knew all along that the powers were not equal to
each other in magnitude, and put me through a royal tail
spin for years & years & years, BUT I DID MANAGE TO FIGURE
IT OUT, the average psyche for rpg games, but it seems
that '86 MU TSR rpg put guys & gals using magic @ half the
numerical value that they should have gotten. But, those
'86 tsr rpg guys did the same god mistake for Doom & Thanos.
It's hard to believe they would put the readers throug so
much miseary : knowing that Xavier was @ (1/2) psyche
that of Doom, but they put Xavier @ 1.5x that of Doom, which
made me scream again, why I thought Xavier might be
Norrinn Radd, except from a different timeline, sort of like
Picard & the vampire guy in the coming movie, Nemisis, and
my THEORY IS THAT PICARD & THAT VAMPIRE BALD GUY ARE
ONE & THE SAME, EXCEPT FROM DIFFERENT PARALLEL WORLDS.

THERE'S A LOT MORE, BUT I NEED TO GET SOMETHING TO eat.

[HYBRID]

But, it took me years, to figure out a way to generate their powers @ a lower power level.. The way that I did was simply have to do with molecular control. That was the ticket. That way, their C1 PL would be (1/2) that I was origiginally puttting them at, allowing me to have them generate their powrs @ 25 C1 PL rather than @ 50 C1 PL, where 25 C1 PL = 90 C2 PL <where 90 C2 PL is sort of like power rating that of the little girl in the movie TAKEN >, so I don't have to give or put Iceman's & Spiderman's powers @ 50 C1 PL = 770 C1 PL, but maybe the writers of Spiderman got confused for a moment & accidently put him @ 90 C2 DP rather than @ 90 C2 PL which might explain how Spiderman simulate powers of Captain Universe, giving Spiderman STR equal 90*((90/10)^(1/2)) = STR of 270 @ 90 C2 DP, but notice that Spiderman in the movie was @ 90 C2 PL, which @ DP is (1/2) in DP or about that of 45 C2 DP. But, going
off topic for a moment, back into my past college experience, of the dozens of white professors I've had, the only professor that acted like professor & actually attempted to teach rather than try to make life of students a living hell turned out to African Amrcn. : the man was extremely civilize, unlike most of these other guys thinking < because they had TENURE > they could whatever. There was this lady professor for differential equations I had, when I went over to her office to ask her a question on one of the homework problems, I ACCIDENTLY OVERHEARD HER SAY TO HER COLLEGUE PROFESSORS THAT SHE WAS ATTEMPTING TO FAIL AS MANY STUDENTS AS SHE POSSIBLY CAN : LESS WORK FOR HER.

[Atom Man]

How does Hybrid deal with knockback?

What if the knockback is underwater?

[DeadlyUematsu]

Originally posted by Atom Man
How does Hybrid deal with knockback?

What if the knockback is underwater?

And while you're at it, I want to know how knockback works in jello and how the Kool Aid Man can break down a brick wall without chipping himself. Hell, give me an algothrim that determines whether my character has genitals or not, I want to make sure I write a gender down on my sheet.

[HYBRID]

He's supposed to be only strong enough to bench press 10 tons which everyone knows that ever read Marvel comics, but he's been involved some weird PLOTS that makes the character just hard to digest as someone getting their powers from a radioactive spider. But, anyway getting back to solving the Spiderman pardox. It can solved by 3 ways : 1) For spider webbing < No, I'm not going to use some francy spray for this > but more like if you use molecular control @ 25 C1 DP = 90 C2 PL : this little problem can solved, but, also, for Iceman for his ice powers. Do you recall Super-X in Godzilla movies ? Both Super-X & Spiderman are @ same power level @ about 90 C2 PL. NEXT, if you wanted generate his webbing by generating a black hole with zero gravity < as it was IMPLIED in late '90s cartoon with the Time-Dilex device that the Green Goblin was working but Spiderman was able to trap the Green Goblin with his own device : some really weird stuff that I just took at @ something similar to powers similar to that of MU MYSTERIO >, then put Spiderman @ 50 C1 PL, if you want him to be able to create black hole with zero gravity to generate his webbing, with his web-fluid as tacyion residue or/and tacyion field(s), both @ 50 C1 PL & @ 25 C1 PL, but @ 25 C1 PL used as molecular control powers; and, finally, when he was TAKEN by Fear < that's an MU character, NOT the concept 'fear' but the MU character, also, going by the name of PSYCHO-MAN - ARCH ENEMY OF FANTATIC FOUR > to the Microverse into the subatomic universe, then put Spiderman's powers @ 75 C1 PL to shrink Spiderman to microscopic size, like in movie Amazing Voyage. The same with Iceman, as I reall in an '80s episode, where the Black Knight invited him to an alien dimension, and Iceman was surrounded by 3 demonic women ! And, I'm telling you, women do NOT like being dumped. When Iceman gave those 3 gorgeous women the cold brush off, they tried to squeeze the life out of him, but he just skied out of there.

[HYBRID]

1. If you wanted your character to to be able to travel PLUTO,
double the distance, assuming he wanted to make a return trip,

source : http://newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/ast99/ast99241.htm ,

"The average orbital radius of Pluto is 3660 million miles". So, the

total distance then would be @ 7.32 billion miles, take the LOG10 of this, giving a value of 9.865, take the square of this, giving a value of 97.309. Since, he's making the trip, himself, and is NOT a national or international project, by his own personal project, then you'd have to put him @ 97.309 C2 DP or default psyche. But, if this trip is funded by some state governmentment such as US, then, put him @ 97.309 PL or power level. When you have 97 C2 DP vs. 97 C2 PL, 97 C2 DP is greater than 97 C2 PL, since you can't reduce LS any further to increase PL greater than 97, but with DP @ 97 C2, you can reduce LS or life-span to increase distance of destination by having an increase in PL or power level if character is @ 97 C2 DP or default psyche.

And, for 2nd question, regarding, gender, if you're guy with some C2 that of a woman, you automatically get mutant power(s), but if you're a woman with @ same C2 that of a mutant guy, then the woman is probably just human with no mutant powers, UNLESS IF YOU GIVE HER A MINIMUM OF SEVERAL EXTRA POINTS. But, let's say that you're some mad scientist & wanted to clone a woman for yourself @ COM 9, then the scientist would need to be @ IQ of 200 @ 49.28 C2 DP = 20 C1 DP, giving an IQ of [10*C1] = 10*20.
But, the problem is, as a clone, she'd be like a Pokemon or a Digimon, meaning her body would be temporary, NOT permanent, sort of like the tacyion projections created by the little girl in the movie TAKEN : a movie where everyone is nuts, where even the nuts know that there is NO ALIENS, EXCEPT HALOGRAMS, BUT THEY CONTINUE TO PRETENT THAT THERE ARE ALIENS : IT'S LIKE ROLE PLAYING GAME WHERE PEOPEL PRETEND TO BELIEVE IN ALIENS FOR DECADES & DECADES, WITHIN CONTEXT OF STORY. And, the general is being TAKEN FOR RIDE, figuratively speaking, as there are NO aliens, except tacyion projections created by the little girl, who's NOT any fraction alien, but a mutant with psychic powers, as I repeat, she's mutant with psyche powrs, and she doesn't have any fraction alien genes in her, with her alien friends being her IMAGINARY FRIENDS LIKE IN CARTOONS POKEMON & DIGIMONS, WHERE THE MONSTERS ARE TACYION PROJECTIONS OR IMAGINARY FRIENDS GIVEN SUBSTANCE. And,

as for Knockback, I'll try < "try" > attempt to answer that after I look @ my D20 book, it look alien, THE CONCEPT OF ROLLING dice when you already know the outcome, WHY do people want to roll dices, when they already know the outcome : it's just & exactly like the movie, TAKEN, where everyone knows that there are NO aliens, but EVERYONE PRETENDS THAT THEY ARE REAL. WHY PRETEND ? WHY MASTERBATE OVER DICES ?? I'd rather masterbate over women, then rolling dices. I can't understand why someone would want to masterbate over dices than women, especially when dices are NOT needed, except common sense & a calculator & a good library of rpg & science books & magazines, and a good GM that's fluent with 0 END, which I stil can't understand what's the heck 0 END. Is that 0 cost to for END ??

[NPC Wizdoc]

Originally posted by NPC Bill Coffin
[b]BILL'S CRAZY WHACK VOODOO RPG COCKTAIL

Ingredients
One quart Hybrid
Two pinches F.A.T.A.L.
One teaspoon Synnibar
One 1/4 cup SenZar
A whole clove Spawn of Fashan
A sprig of Timecube for garnish

Mmmm... tastes good, but something is still missing. Oh, yeah...

RaHoWa

Add a tea spoonful of that and you can be sure it'll not only kill you, but possibly mutilate your gaming group as well - or at least cause permanent psychological damage.


Wizdoc

[Blackberry]

Originally posted by HYBRID
[...]
as for Knockback, I'll try < "try" > attempt to answer that after I look @ my D20 book, it look alien, THE CONCEPT OF ROLLING dice when you already know the outcome, WHY do people want to roll dices, when they already know the outcome : it's just & exactly like the movie, TAKEN, where everyone knows that there are NO aliens, but EVERYONE PRETENDS THAT THEY ARE REAL. WHY PRETEND ? WHY MASTERBATE OVER DICES ?? I'd rather masterbate over women, then rolling dices. I can't understand why someone would want to masterbate over dices than women, especially when dices are NOT needed, except common sense & a calculator & a good library of rpg & science books & magazines,

Randomizers are used in roleplaying games because people don't know the outcome of events before they occur. If I walk to the store right now, millions of things may happen that I can't account for -- I could forget my wallet at home, I could get hit by a car on the way, I could get mugged, it could start sleeting so hard that I can't keep walking, I could get an emergency phone call... randomizers account for all of those variables.

and a good GM that's fluent with 0 END, which I stil can't understand what's the heck 0 END. Is that 0 cost to for END ??

"0 END" means that the power takes no ("0") Endurance ("END") to use. Read the section in the HERO rules on Endurance.

[NPC Gourmand]

Originally posted by NPC Wizdoc


Mmmm... tastes good, but something is still missing. Oh, yeah...

RaHoWa

Wizdoc

Nahh. RaHoWa is...

(dare I say it?)

...a bit too vanilla.

[HYBRID]

WARNING : Steve Long is turning HERO's total points to/similr to that of GURPS' total points for characters or/and weapons. Look @ S. Long's book DARK CHAMPIONS, if you don't believe me, in regard to or in reference to/for Total Points for characters & weapons.

I knew it ! Steve Long < long, long, long time ago worked ONCE OR TWICE < wrote a few articles or something > for GURPS >>.

He seemed to have decided LONG TIME AGO to use total points from GURPS to HERO, which anyone that knows or is familar with both GURPS's & HERO's total points for similarly powerful characters would SEE THAT point total are similar for HERO characters' total points similar to that of total points if written in GURPS, with HERO under the control or/and leadership of S. Long.

You'll see the same PATTERN < NOT the Amber term for quantum field, but a geometric or arithemetic pattern for total points > for CHAMPIONS & CHAMPIONS UNIVERSE. AHHHH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I knew it !! I knew it ! But, people called me crazy or paranoid for saying is long ago, that S. Long is attempting to create a hybrid version of HERO & GUPRS under his 5th edition, STARTING WITH DARK CHAMPIONS ! WHY AM I THE ONLY ONE TO SEE THIS OBVIOUS PATTERN ?? WHY CANN'T ANYONE ELSE SEE THIS ??? IT IS OBVIOUS, ABOUT AS OBVIOUS as the aliens in the movie TAKEN were not aliens but tacyion or/and mind projections created by the little girl, who is really a mutant, but NOT an alien, but being surrounded by a generation of nuts, her imaginary friends look like the classic alien : same with tv show ROSWELL, those kids are mutants, NOT aliens, but they're mutants like in the tv show MUTANT-X, whose leader I just don't like <he SEEMS impotent in a weird way, using young impressional for his personal agenda, reminds me of the MU character XAVIER >, that actor played "Lex Luthor" in the '90s tv series 'Louis & Clark".

And, IF THIS IS TRUE, WHICH IT MOST PROBABLY IS, THEN & THEN, Teleios's cloned army is probably either halographic projection like the power stunt that of MU character MYSTERIO, or he simplely hired them, and had somone PR guy spread some rumors that he has a cloned army. So, THEN, Dr. Destroyer's 20,000 points would NOT be @ his IQ, again, would NOT be @ his IQ, SINCE THE 5TH EDITION IS A DEVIATION FROM 4TH, 3RD, 2ND, AND 1ST : 5TH IS a hybrid < of > GURPS & all HERO rulebooks. So, Dr. Destroyer would be @ 20,000 C3 DP, since GURPS' total points is @ C3 DP, same as in Yu-Gi-Oh, Dragonball-Z, & D20. So, in effect S. Long is attemptingn to turn HERO into D20. Damn !!!! But, getting back to what 20,000 C3 DP is. Well, 20,000 C3 DP is about power rating that of Destroyah & Godzilla in movie "Godzilla vs. Destroyah" @ about 119 C2 DP, where 119 C2 DP = 119^LOG10(119) = 20,318.666 C3 DP or about total points of 20,318.666 in GURPS if Dr. Destroyer was written in GURPS. So, this is a WARNING : S. Long is turning HERO into a hybrid < of > GURPS & previous HERO rulebooks such as 4th edtn, for total points of characters or/and weapons is now @ or similar to total points in GURPS. THIS IS THE SECRET SPOILER !!!

But, what is Dr. Destroyer's IQ. You attempt to figure out his C1 DP, based on his 119 C2 DP, and multiply his C1 DP by 10. So, here it is : 27.5 C1 DP = 117.945 C2 DP which is close enough. So, Dr. Destroyer's IQ is [10*27.5] = 275. But, due to margin of error, you use 2nd IQ equation to get 2nd IQ range, which is :
100*LOG10(his C3 DP) = 100*LOG10(20,318.666) = 430.79 IQ. So, margin of error = [430.79 - 275 ] = 155.79 points of margin of error. So, Dr. Destroyer if written in 4th edition should have a total points of between 275 & 430.79, but NOT @ 20,318.666.

[HYBRID]

small minor typo regarding Spiderman's 90 C2 PL which should be @ 25 C1 PL, NOT @ 25 C1 DP, but @ 25 C1 PL or power level, as 25 C1 DP is power level that of Captain Universe, the authors of MU probably made the same mistake when they had Captain Universe take over Spiderman's body < OR MAYBE IT WAS DONE INTENTIONALLY > TO SHOW SPIDERMAN'S POWERS @ 25 C1 DP OR 90 C2 DP would work or be like that of Captain Universe @ 25 C1 DP = 90 C2 DP, which is lot more than @ 90 C2 PL. The same with Iceman, when they decided to give Iceman a power boos in the '80s cartoon series of the "Spiderfriends" : great cartoon !!! In it they had Iceman @ what seemed to be @ 90 C2 psyche. But, Captain America, you'd want to put @ 45 C2 PL which @ -1/2 limitation would be @ 30 C2 DP or highest rating for martial artist, where he could increase PL by [30 + 15 ] = 45 C2 PL, by decreasing his LS or life-span to [30 - 15 ] = 15 C2, which might explain why he was in suspended animation for decades : MAYBE.

[HYBRID]

When correcting my typo, i made a typo stating that my NEW correction was a typo, but the correction was not a typo, as the original typo was @ 25 C1 DP or 90 C2 DP which should be : @ 25 C1 PL or 90 C2 PL, which Spiderman @ or as Captain Universe was @ 25 C1 DP or 90 C2 DP, to show what would happen if you change PL to DP, causing a boost in Spiderman's powers s shown.

[Blackberry]

Originally posted by HYBRID
[...]
He seemed to have decided LONG TIME AGO to use total points from GURPS to HERO, which anyone that knows or is familar with both GURPS's & HERO's total points for similarly powerful characters would SEE THAT point total are similar for HERO characters' total points similar to that of total points if written in GURPS, with HERO under the control or/and leadership of S. Long.
[...]

Look at the publication dates for Champions 1st edition and GURPS 1st edition. Champions was first published in 1981 and used the same point values and point system that HERO uses to this day. GURPS was published in 1985 and Steve Jackson acknowledged that parts of GURPS were very much inspired by Champions, namely the point system and how that applied to character capabilities and limitations.

Not to mention that George MacDonald and Sandy Petersen wrote the first edition of Champions, not Steve Long.

[HYBRID]

Long long ago, Steve Long worked for GURPS.
S. Long wrote few articles for GURS. He then
stopped working for GURPS, but not fully sure.
But, later, he wrote a book for HERO, called
DARK CHAMPIONS, in this book, total points =
as if they were written in GURPS. Then, years
later, HERO would be owned by S. Long. Then,
comes HERO 5th Edition, which looks like 4th &
the previous addition, except that the FINAL
OUTPUT, THE "TOTAL POINTS" IS NOT THAT OF 4TH
BUT THAT OF GURPS' TOTAL POINTS, NOT OF
HERO 4th BUT OF GURPS. Then comes Champions
& Champions Universe, the characters in those
books, THEIR TOTAL POINTS IS THAT OF GURPS,
NOT THAT OF HERO 4th. Total points for Teleios &
Dr. Destroyer is that of total points if they were
written in GURPS, meaning the point totals are
highly inflated that of GURPS, rather than the
sleak point totals that of the 250 Point Project.
Yes, I know that he added 100 points from 250
to 350, but this 350 is that of GURPS total not
250 of HERO pluse 100. Look @ Teleios & Dr
Destroyer & their total points, read the description
of what they can, and do get so riled up over
bits & pieces of exageration, READ WITHOUT BIAS,
THEN LOOK @ IT IF YOU WERE TO WRITE THEM
IN GURPS. See what point total you'd get for these
& other guys if written GURPS, the total would
match almost perfectly like mirror reflections ! So,
as they say, listener to this most honest messanger.
S. Long is turning HERO's total points to that of GURPS,
just like when he did for DARK CHAMPIONS, and why
the totals for DARK CHAMPIONS didn't match with the
other books, & other HERO sources such as the 250
Point Project, BECAUSE S. Long was intentionally
pumping out output for total points that of GURPS. So,
Teleios is @ power rating that of between Spiderman
& Mysterio, and Dr. Destroyer is @ power rating that
of Doom_2099, where Doom_2099 is a watered down
version of Dr. Doom. So, total points in HERO 5th is NOT
@ IQ, but @ D20, where total points @ IQ is for Edition
4 of HERO, not for HERO 5 & the recent products for 5th.
So, S. Long is turnig HERO into D20 or that of GURPS,
for total points for characters or/and weapons. See ??

[Blackberry]

I'm fairly sure that the HERO books are written with HERO point values in them. I don't see anything close to a GURPS write-up in the 5th edition Champions books.

Now, if you're saying that the point values come out the same, I only have limited experience with GURPS Supers, but I'd have to say that most characters of the same relative power level come out about 125% higher in point value in GURPS than in HERO. It's not because they are worth more points; it's because they use a different scale.

Also, there is no "d20 point scale" that I know of. d20 is a game engine; many games are built using that engine, including some superhero games that use point systems. That doesn't mean that they all have the same point system.

[Darren MacLennan]

Blackberry: Don't bother.

Hybrid: Seek professional psychiatric care. If you're going to university, then there should be free care under your student health services plan.

I'm not kidding in the slightest.

-Darren MacLennan

[Marius B]

Originally posted by Blackberry
Randomizers are used in roleplaying games because people don't know the outcome of events before they occur. If I walk to the store right now, millions of things may happen that I can't account for -- I could forget my wallet at home, I could get hit by a car on the way, I could get mugged, it could start sleeting so hard that I can't keep walking, I could get an emergency phone call... randomizers account for all of those variables.

Sorry to butt in like this, Blackberry, but you seem to misunderstand his basic premise. As far as I can tell, he's not questioning the use of randomizers - he's merely suggesting they're not used for masturbating over.

I think he's gpt a point there, quite frankly.

I mean, it really is kind of annoying having to clean our cum off our dices all the damn time, isn't it?

And to think I'd never given that a thought before. I'm going to stop masturbating over my dices right away! Thank you, Hybrid, for making my life easier!

-Not Masturbating Over my Dices No More M.

[Mark Blaxland]

Originally posted by HYBRID

See ??

Yes, you've made yourself perfectly clear.

[HYBRID]

It's hard to believe you miss the obvious that total points under 5th = samein GURPS. Under the old HERO system, total points = IQ, but under S. Long's DARK CHAMPIONS, 5TH EDITION. CHAMPIONS, AND CHAMPIONS UNIVERSE, "total points" = same as if they were written in GURPS, D20, D&D, Dragonball-Z, or Yu-Gi-Oh, MEANING, total points is @ my C3 unit, which by PURE COINCIDENCE comes out to same as in GURPS & D&D & D20. THAT IS WHY < THAT IS WHY : I'LL REPEAT 1 MORE TIME : THAT IS WHY > Steve Long added the extra 100 points to 250 because < I'll repeat 1 more time : because > NO ONE WOULD SUSPECT the obvious that by adding 100 points to 250, he could get away & into turning HERO's total points to that of GURPS's total points @ the low end of the power spectrum, but as you increase power for characters, the total points dramatically differs. JUST LOOK @ & READ DARK CHAMPIONS, CHAMPIONS, AND CHAMPIONS UNIVERSE, AND COMPARE IT TO THE 250 POINT PROJECT & OTHER ORIGINAL HERO SOURCES, you'll notice that the FINAL TOTAL POINTS FOR CHARACTERS, < forget the mechanics : just look @ the final total points, for god's sake, and you'll notice what I'm telling is the truth > that the original HERO total = IQ, but total points under Steve Long's directions such as the DARK CHAMPIONS, CHAMPIONS, AND CHAMPIONS UNIVERSE, the final output or total points is same as if they were written in GURPS, by that I don't mean to say the mechanics is same as in GURPS, as the mechanics is same as in HERO for the most part, EXCEPT THE FINAL OUTPUT THAT BEING TOTAL POINTS HAS BEEN CHANGED TO THAT OF GURPS, D20 system, or Dragonball-Z. See ?
It's hard to believe that NO ONE see the obvious except me !
Does not anyone see this ? That final total in new HERO is equal to that of GURPS, D20, though the final output or final total points for Zergs is off by 10 C2 DP, and for Zerg Queen is off by 2x C2 DP, as total points for Zergs for Starcraft is built for humans.

[HYBRID]

I'm talking about DARK CHAMPIONS, current CHAMPIONS, AND CHAMPIONS UNIVERSE, all three or maybe more are under S. Long's control & directions, but starting with DARK CHAMPIONS, it's total points was similar to that if written in GURPS, regarding total points, was not that of HERO but Total Points that of GURPS. The same is done by S. Long to <current> Champions & Champions Universe, regarding total points is that of GURPS. Why does NOT anyone see the what is so obvious. Can you see it ?? Under the old Hero system, including the 250 Point Project, total points = IQ, but under the current HERO system, but including the old publication of DARK CHAMPIONS, total points = that of GURPS, NOT THE ORIGINAL <IMPLIED> INTENT BY HERO TO MAKE TOTAL POINTS = IQ, < Blackberry does NOT understand how Total Points can equal IQ but it does that under the old HERO system total points = IQ > under 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and the 250 Point Project, but anything HERO < under control of S. Long >, TOTAL POINTS = that of as if written in GURPS or D20, and is NOT same as the old HERO sytem in regard to Total Points : this is why S. Long added the extra 100 points to 250 : to trick the readers into believing that he was just making a small modification. The extra 100 poits @ the low end of the power spectrum would look similar to that of HERO, but as powers for characters increses dramatically, the final output, or final total points, varies dramatically fromt that of original HERO <1st, 2nd, 3rd, & 4th, including the 250 Point Project > to that of GURPS or D20 total points. This is completely TRUE ! i'M NOT making this stuff up. This is TRUE ! I just hope one day you'll see the obvious that I'm stating. I'm NOT sure why NO ONE sees the obvious except me. Why NO ONE see the obvious ? The mechanics look the same < but that's NOT the goal of S. Long : S. Long's goal is the final output, THE FINAL TOTAL POINTS IS WHAT S. LONG IS CONCERNED ABOUT : THE SAME WITH ME, AND WHY I'M PRE-OCCUPIED WITH TOTAL POINTS, SAME PREOCCUPATIONS BY S. LONG, AND WHY HE ADDED THE EXTRA 100 POINTS, to trick the readers into thinking he was only making a small modification, but he was planning to change total points for all HERO characters to total points that of GURPS or D20 > I'm NOT making this stuff up. Only if you guys would seriously look the Point Total of Dark Champions, <current> Champions, and <current> Champions Universe, and look @ GURPS Supers & D20 engine, the final output or Final Total Points would be almost exactly THE SAME. So, the Total Points is NO longer same that of HERO but of GURPS. Final total points of current HERO & that of DARK CHAMPIONS is that of GURPS & D20, not that of HERO. See ?

[tech]

I never thought I'd actually read something in my lifetime that surpassed Synnibar for sheer Synnibarish-ness...

This thing reads like Dr. Bronner's the RPG. :confused:

[NPC Troll]

Originally posted by Mytholder
Not a bad imitation, but you're so not Hitesh. Please stop it.

You are correct, he is not the real C++. I can tell because he's not defending himself with incredible anger, and the sentences are too complete, and he's sticking to this single forum and not posting new posts on his own every 3 hours on cue. Oh crap, now he's going to angrily defend himself and complete sentences and post every three hours and start new threads... just to keep up mock appearances.

Oh, and he's also not referencing his other rules.

I think the moderators should check HYBRID's logged IP and compare it to the IP's of others. This won't work if HYBRID is posting HYBRID from home and his normal posts from work or something, though, like I used to try to do.

[HYBRID]

The old HERO total such as The 250 Point Projecct @ for Dr. Destroyer's for his total points would be @ between 276 & 431 based on his powers & IQ, & would NOT be @ 20,449 if written for The 250 Point Project : < 5th different from 4th & why S. Long added an extra 100 points to trick readers into thinking that 5th total would be similar to 4th {but, 5th is more like very similar to his DARK CHAMPIONS ONLY, where total points in DARK CHAMPIONS is close to similar to total points if written in GURPS or D20, where for both total is similar to my C3 DP unit stat } but 5th is only similar to 4th & off by 100 points @ low end of the power spectrum, but @ high end of the power spectrum for characters & weapons, where total points for high power characters would have total points similar to that of GURPS or D20 > < so, if written in/for The 250 Point Project, THE possible estimate would be @ > TOTAL POINT range of between 276 to 431 @ IQ between 276 & 431 But, under anything written, guided, or control by S. Long, such as DARK CHAMPIONS, <current> CHAMPIONS, & <current> CHAMPIONS UNIVERSE : same total would look like 20,449 which is GURPS & D20 total. What has this got to do with HERO 5th ? Regarding Dr. Destroyer. How did I get 20,449 ? By 27.6^LOG10(27.6) = 20,449. What is 27.6 ? It's 27.6 C1 DP used for IQ estimate, or what most mutant characters in '86 MU TSR rpg would get @ psyche @ 27.6 psyche, but this rules does NOT apply to all MU characters under the old tsr system. How did I get 2nd IQ estimate ? By 100*LOG10(20,449) = 431. What is IQ of 276 in or @ C2 DP ? 119.184 C2 DP. Why is it 119.184 C2 DP @ IQ of 276 ? 119.184^LOG10(119.184) = 20,449 C3 DP which is used by GURPS, D20, & Dragonball-Z rpg. What is 119.184 C2 DP @ C1 DP ? 27.6 C1 DP ? How do you go from 27.6 C1 DP to C2 DP ? By 27.6^LOG10(27.6) = 119.184 C2 DP. So, Dr. Destroyer @ total of 20,449 total points @ power rating that of Destroyah or/and Godzilla in movie Godzilla vs. Destroyah". Can you not understand & see this ?

[HYBRID]

What is wrong with the proof that I offer, when proof is clear & easy to understand ? I only posted here, thinking, MAYBE, I would be welcome here. And, NO, I'm NOT planning to return to the frp newsgroups, there are too many closed minded people there. But, getting back to what I was saying, IF I'm not welcome here, then I won't return : I'm NOT interested in flames, though NOT sure why you guys like to troll me so often. I wanted to make some contribution to rpgs that you like, but you're only interested in trolling me. I offer some really innovative insights into both HERO & GURPS, but I only get flamed by some of u guys. So, I think it would be better if I leave this forum. Good-bye. IF you guys promise NOT to insult or/and threaten me, then I'll return & post, else I'll leave. I wish you guys would act civilized, rather barbaric, which is what you seem to prefer it seems. WHY do some of you guys like trolling me so much ? Is it because I'm nice guy & NOT threatening. But, whatever the reason, some people NEVER change, so it be better if I leave this forum, and also, not post to the frp newsgroups, and I'll NOT inform them that total points in 5th is that of GURPS, NOT @ IQ, which is what it was < that being total points = IQ, though NO ONE, AGAIN, SEEMS TO NOTICE THE/this PATTERN, EVEN THOUGH IT'S CLEARLY [IMPLIED] IN THE ORIGINAL HERO COREBOOKS, where an entity like Galactus would get [about] between 2,000 & 3,000 Total Points < for Galactus > if he were written for in The 250 Point Project :: so, there is NO way Dr. Destroyer would get 20,000 points unless these 20,000 points is for a GURPS total which is exactly what it is that being @ C3 DP & NOT @ IQ, as the 20,000 points of Dr. Destroyer is @ GURPS or/and D20 total, where Dr. Destroyer in The 250 Point Project would only get between 276 & 431 IQ & TOTAL POINTS for Dr. Destroyer [ I repeat should only get between 276 & 431 IQ & TOTAL POINTS for Dr. Destroyer [ since he's only @ power rating that of Destroyah or/and Godzilla @ 119 C2 DP @ 10.9 AMBS for Destroyah or/and Godzilla in movie "Godzilla vs. Destroyah" & so Dr. Destroyer should get between 276 & 431 Total Points in HERO & would get in The 250 Point Project, NOT the 20,000 given by the current CHAMPIONS & CHAMPIONS UNIVERSE, which the <20,000> is what Warlock of Infinity Watch should get in HERO] > & clearly [visible] under The 250 Point Project, if any of you bother to look @ the point totals rather than just following rules. But, S. Long knew from all the feedback he was getting that the HERO fans were obsessed with the rules, and didn't really care about the point total which any real sci-fi fan would only care about point totals. And, S. Long wanted to implement GURPS total into HERO, so he added an extra 100 points, and said the modification would be only that, and the fans ate it up, as they were clearly obsessed with the rules. S. Long only cared about the point totals, as do I, that being point totals is all that matters. So, he or S. Long, clearly got away with altering HERO's point totals that of GURPS or/and D20, and NO ONE see it, other than only me. Why am I THE only one that see the similarities in point totals between the NEW HERO 5th & its CHAMPIONS & CHAMPIONS UNIVERSE, and point totals that of GURPS & D20 ? But, THIS will be THE LAST POST @ this forum or anywhere on internet, as its clear people are not interested in logical debate, but most people are only interested in trolling, rather than common sense. I posted some of the most easy to stuff reasoning that anyone can clearly understand, but people are just TOO CLOSE MINDED TO READ PAST THE 2ND SENTENCE.

[Grey]

Who the hell needs rpgs? This thread is pretty damn entertaining! Question to Hybrid: Do you know what a paragraph is?

[NPC Bill Coffin]

Originally posted by tech
I never thought I'd actually read something in my lifetime that surpassed Synnibar for sheer Synnibarish-ness...

This thing reads like Dr. Bronner's the RPG. :confused:

Heh, heh. Excellent reference. When I was explaining Hybrid to my wife, I told her, "Take the Dr. Bronner's ramble, cross it with Timecube, press down the TURBO button and drive a nail through it so it can't come back up. That's Hybrid."

Bill Coffin

[Ryan Paddy]

Originally posted by HYBRID
THE CONCEPT OF ROLLING dice when you already know the outcome, WHY do people want to roll dices, when they already know the outcome : it's just & exactly like the movie, TAKEN, where everyone knows that there are NO aliens, but EVERYONE PRETENDS THAT THEY ARE REAL. WHY PRETEND ? WHY MASTERBATE OVER DICES ?? I'd rather masterbate over women, then rolling dices. I can't understand why someone would want to masterbate over dices than women, especially when dices are NOT needed, except common sense & a calculator & a good library of rpg & science books & magazines, and a good GM that's fluent with 0 END, which I stil can't understand what's the heck 0 END. Is that 0 cost to for END ?? You need to get out more.

What is more likely? That everyone else in the world is acting strange and you understand things that no-one else can? Or that there's something unusual (and possibly unhealthy) about you and everyone else is fairly normal? I'll give you a clue: it's the second one.

Talk to a mental health professional like Darren suggests. If you already have, then stick with whatever programme they've given you to help you get better. You're just not making much sense at the moment.

Ryan

[NPC Troll]

Originally posted by HYBRID
But, THIS will be THE LAST POST @ this forum or anywhere on internet, as its clear people are not interested in logical debate, but most people are only interested in trolling, rather than common sense. I posted some of the most easy to stuff reasoning that anyone can clearly understand, but people are just TOO CLOSE MINDED TO READ PAST THE 2ND SENTENCE.

Damn. That's too bad because I was hoping to ask if you had game rules for bum-raping your mother. Of course, that's way too harsh to ask for, so I won't. But if you have them, please post away!

(For those of you keeping track, I'm trying to uphold the reputation that my username bequeaths me... without going so far as to post as John Wick's wife)

[Halloween Jack]

He's right about one thing.

Adam Warlock rocks!

[HYBRID]

Can you guys PLEASE STOP HARASSING ME, AND CAN YOU PLEASE STOP INSULTING ME ? I do NOT ever harass or insult any you guys. Can you stop with the vieled threat posted earlier. I do NOT ever post threats to anyone, NOR do I ever insult anyone. So, do you guys feel the need to trol me constantly, for years !?! CAN YOU PLEASE STOP INSULTING ME & TO STOP HARASSING ME ? Can you STOP trolling me, and please LEAVE ME ALONE ?!

[Mytholder]

Originally posted by HYBRID
Can you guys PLEASE STOP HARASSING ME, AND CAN YOU PLEASE STOP INSULTING ME ? I do NOT ever harass or insult any you guys. Can you stop with the vieled threat posted earlier. I do NOT ever post threats to anyone, NOR do I ever insult anyone. So, do you guys feel the need to trol me constantly, for years !?! CAN YOU PLEASE STOP INSULTING ME & TO STOP HARASSING ME ? Can you STOP trolling me, and please LEAVE ME ALONE ?!

Not bad, not bad at all. Just keep it to this thread, please.

[NPC Troll]

Originally posted by Mytholder


Not bad, not bad at all. Just keep it to this thread, please.

What's wrong with you? We're going for the ultimate psycho wipeout here. I want this guy to bleed from the mouth. He's gotta run rampant. I want, no, need to see a Hybrid post in EVERY forum thread, damnit. It's not Hitesh if it's not insanity squared.

Now where are the rules for role-playing a married hispanic man who is attempting to ritually seduce an underage white mother?

[Steve Conan Trustrum]

Originally posted by HYBRID
After countless calculations, I finally figured out correct C2 PL for a or the most modern US aircraft carrier @ length of 1 kilometer is @ 75 C2 PL by length of modern technology object @ length of C3 PL @ unit [ft.] which you convert to meters by dividing by 3.281 to get [75^LOG10(75)] / 3.281 = (3,279.856 ft) / (3.281 ft./meter) = 999.651 meters long for a modern US aircraft carrier @ 75 C2 PL. So, in Synnibarr rpg, since Synnibarr rpg is @ C4 stat, this modern US aircraft carrier would get [2.297 * 10^12] life points in Synnibarr @ 75 C2 PL by [75^LOG10(75)]^[75^LOG10(75)] = 3,279.856^LOG10(3,279.856) = [2.297 * 10^12] life points or LP, where 75 C2 PL = 3,279.856 C3 PL by 75^LOG10(75)= 3,279.856.
Let me get this straight, you actually think that modern air craft carriers are 1 km long? Damn, dude, read a book.

Also, seriously, if you ever develop this further, please learn to use paragraphs. Your single block posts are painful to read.

[The Amazing Arashi]

I can't believe Hybrid has been at this for so long.
Ya magnificent bastard, I salute you...

[HYBRID]

I think Blackberry misunderstood me about my comments about Steve Long, as I meant in regards to Dark Champions & any other Hero books he's written or in charge of being written such as the 5th Hero, and my comments *were NOT* in regard to the 250 Point Project, where total points = IQ in HERO, which Hero5th & Dark Champions's total points = almost that of total points in GURPS, again is just *my opinion & my interpretation*, as I was trying to say that < maybe > Steve Long < just my opinion & interpretation of his written works on Dark Champions & 5th Hero > that of tyring to turn Total Points of HERO into that of GURPS < but changing the mechanics { that is using mechanics of HERO } to get the same total for if written in GURPS > by in his books for HERO rpg is same as total points for GURPS characters written in GURPS, as Steve Long originally 1st worked for GURPS before working for HERO. Anyway, getting back notation. I've got extra new shorthand notation, such 1x to mean 1x24 = 24 psyche = 80.35 C2 DP for Klaw, arch enemy of the Fantastic Four, and why the narrartor of that '80s comic < not sure of exact date > had Klaw fight F.F. < reason being that the 3 of the F.F. are @ 80.35 C2 DP, where in PLOT before Reed came up with device to imprision Klaw, again. And, if you wanted to compute Total Points for Colossus in GURPS, and you alreaady know that Colossus is @ 20 C1 DP or @ 20 psyche, then you compute his C2 DP < but, not that some values for psyche for some charaacters are incorrect like Rogue > where you, then, compute value of C3 DP from C2 DP to get 20^LOG10(20) = 49.28 C2 DP = 49.28^LOG10(49.28) = 733.1 C3 DP=Total Points of 733.1 for Colossus in GURPS. But, note that Professor Xavier be @ 2x or 48 C1 DP or 48 psyche, and the 75 in the '86 MU TSR rpg roster is @ what he allows his X-Men to think or believe his power level to be @ 75 C2 DP, unless the Danger Room allows characters to travel to alternate realities or pocket dimensions, then @ 75 psyche @ 75 C1 DP, but lot of it has to do with interpretation, to know what power level to give, assuming Danger Room isn't just using halographic projections, which if it is just that then Xavier is @ 80.35 C2 DP @ 1x @ 24 psyche, power level that of Mysterio, arch enemy of Spiderman.

[hong]

I think HYBRID's posts have untapped potential as a replacement for the old "lorem ipsum dolor" thing.


Hong "but only if in monospace" Ooi

[hong]

Originally posted by Matthew


Yes.

I'm HYPNOTIZED by his writing!

Nonono, invite him to your D&D game.

[Midknight]

i just had to ask...
are there any dice used in this game?
my eyes hurt from all the colors. i couldn't tell.
some one...
help?
are there dice involved in playing hybrid?:confused:

[RedFox]

Originally posted by Midknight
i just had to ask...
are there any dice used in this game?
my eyes hurt from all the colors. i couldn't tell.
some one...
help?
are there dice involved in playing hybrid?:confused:

You missed his reference re: Dice == Masturbation only not Masturbation @ Women due to Outcome = Predetermined WHERE Dice = Randomizer and therefore not necessary because Masturbation over Women = more logical?

[Lxndr]

So is he advocating using women instead of dice in games, as one's randomizer?

[Steve Conan Trustrum]

Originally posted by Lxndr
So is he advocating using women instead of dice in games, as one's randomizer?
Yikes!

Let's hope you don't have to use "women pools," it'll be hard to roll them all at once.

[Skadedyr]

Why was this thread ressurected?

Also, why is the Hybrid poster still pretending to be the author of the game?

[HYBRID]

Responding to: "Let me get this straight, you actually think that modern air craft carriers are 1 km long?"

Ok, I got length of aircraft carrier wrong. It looked really big, so I assumed it was 1 km long, but after checking its exact length, it comes out to or is about (1/3) km long @ about an average length of 333 meters which in # of ft. = 333x3.28 = 1,092.52 ft. So, its C3 PL is, THEN, @ 1,092.52 C3 PL = 55.4 C2 PL which comes out to about Power Level that of Wolverine's adamentium which is @ about 1,000 C0 material strength. But, if somone wanted to create an aircraft carrier @ length of 1 kilometer, THEN, that aircraft carrier would be @ 1000x3.28 = 3,280.84 C3 PL which is about @ 75 C2 PL which is power level that of Xavier's Danger Room, where 75 C2 PL = 75^LOG10(75) = 3,279.86 C3 PL. So, an average modern current aircraft carrier @ length of (1/3) km. @ length of 333 meters or 1,092.52 ft. would be @ about 55.4 C2 PL which = 55.4^LOG10(55.4) = length of 1,096.04 ft. So, a WWI battleship @ length of 368.63 ft. would be @ 40 C2 PL = 368.63 C3 PL by 40^LOG10(40) = 368.63. Use C3 PL for its length in ft. So, if a genius scientist like Einstein is @ 36 C2 DP or default psyche = 17.7 psyche = 17.7 C1 DP, assuming he had an IQ of [10*(C1 DP)] to [100*LOG10(C3 DP)] = range IQ of 177 to 242 : he could decrease his C2 LS or life-span to [36/2] = 18 C2 LS, giving him PL or power level that of [36*2] = 72 C2 PL, allowing him to engineer an aircraft carrier @ length of 1 kilomter IF he < maybe > ( IF he ) wanted to, during the 1940s, could have IF he wanted, but instead he decided to do another secret project for the Pentagon, "Project Invisibility". This is why they had the science-Fiction alien entity "PREDATOR" @ 36 C2 DP for this reason, because both Einstein & the Fictional entity Predator were both @ the same power level to show what it would take to turn invisible, and why writers of F.F., originally, put the Invisible Woman @ 20 psyche @ 20 C1 DP @ 49.28 C2 DP, because the extra or difference [49.28 - 36 ] = 13.28 C2 DP could be used for force field, but since she had a power boost over the years, she had her psyche increased from 20 to 24 = 20 C1 DP to 24 C1 DP, meaning boost for her psyche from 49.28 C2 DP to 80.35 C2 DP. So, by 1980 MU comics for the Fantastic Four, her psyche was @ 24 = 24 C1 DP = @ 80 C2 DP, @ power level that of 1980 Godzilla like in its movie. But, some of my estimates could be incorrect or wrong, since I haven't read more than a dozen Fantastic Four comics during '80s.

[TheWhiteLodge]

So what's an example of play look like? Let's say I'm Wolverine and you're Klaw...... now how do you figure out who acts first or is it kinda simultaneous like in Godlike?

[HYBRID]

If you don't want to read the large paragraph, know that Wolverine is @ 40 C2 DP & Klaw is @ 80 C2 DP which settles who'll win. The only way to win in an evenly match combat is by surprise, luck, ask or/and you trick someone into helping you or some fool accidently helps you into defeating your foe, sort of like the Kurds got the US into defeating their (the Kurd's rival) rival government that of Sadam, where US always gets embroils in foreign civil wars. The Americans back in 1776 got indepence by fighting for it from the British, < maybe with some help from the French, but the French only helped as they disliked the British & wanted to weaken the British Empire : politics > as I don't see why other countries can't do the same, but has to ask or/and trick US to fight their battles. If the Iraqis wanted freedom & democracy bad enough, they should have fought for it, rather than ask or/and trick US into fighting their battles for them. You can use any set of rules to figure out who goes 1st. But, the RPG Hybrid is mostly about how to build a good defence or offense & how to best use your points to build a good offense or a good defence. If you're not sure which equations to use, it's best to just go back to a power chart which I've constructed based on "psyche" stat which can be applied to astrological bodies, even large as the galaxy, which you assign 120 psyche @ 120 C1 DP & work your way down the power ladder, giving you a radius or diameter of 316,227.77 kilometers or miles for a small star, and continue working downward, where you'd end up with e=mc^2 for effects of moon crashing into earth @ 90 C2 DP, where you can use the force field equation to check for accuracy for e=mc^2, where you'd end up with [C3]^(1/4) in millimeters radius or diameter, where you get 10^9 millimeters radius or diameter @ 90 C2 DP = size of a moon, and continue working downward, giving you effects of nuclear explosion technology genius @ 30 C2 DP, power level that of Russia @ 60 C2 DP, power level that of United States @ 90 C2 DP which is power level that of moon crashing into earth, where lot of the more dangerous technology of United States is NOT contructed *out of fear of destroying the planet*. Since, lot of Isreal's technology is gotten from US, you'd want to put Isreal @ 16 psyche or 16 C1 DP = 28 C2 DP which is different from 24 psyche = 24 C1 DP which is power level of United States @ 80 C2 DP. But, *note* that an average adult caucasian male is @ 2d6 or 12 C2 DP to 3d6 or 18 C2 DP which gets a rating of 4 in both Godlike & BESM. But, *note* that Wolverine is @ 40 C2 DP. How do I know this ? You know that Sabertooth is @ 30 C2 DP, so by common sense, you can figure out that since Colossus is @ 50 C2 DP, then Wolverine must be @ 40 C2 DP. And, you already know that Klaw is as powerful as Shadowcat, who ( she ) has 2 times the psyche that of Wolverine, putting both Shadowcat & Klaw @ the same power level. So, Klaw, by logic, must be @ 80 C2 DP @ power level that of the other 3 members of the Fantastic Four & why MU comics had Klaw fighting & fought 3 of the main members of the F.F. to stalemate, until Reed Richards intervenes & imprisoned Klaw, again. So, you can use combat rules that of Godlike to figure out who goes first, but the rating system of 1 to 10, where 5 is elite human woulc coincide with 25 C2 DP in Hybrid, and 6 to 10 would coincide with 26 to 30 C2 DP, where 30 C2 DP is Sabertooth PL. Also, *note* that military battleships are measured in ft. @ C3 PL, while non-military ships are measured in meter @ C3 PL. Also, to check accuracy of mass of technology, use equation of hypercube @ C4 to figure out mass kg of technology: this equation can, also, be used to simulate effect of technology for science-FICTION. Also, *note* that IF you wanted to squeeze a C4 technology into a C3, you actually end up spending more points unless you decrease volume on which the C4 is acting. So, 10^16 C3 would be required to construct a technology @ 10^16 kg, but to squeeze that same technology into the 4th dimension, you'd need to increase C4 to C3, requiring 10^16 C3 = Dr Doom PL @ 99 psyche @ C1 DP.

[Eliott]

Hmm... sounds ok.

What if wolverine had a huge gun or other weapon that helped win? How do you calculate the effects of devices on the power levels of superheros?

*Almost understands Hybrid*

[J. Roberts]

Originally posted by HYBRID
4d100/2 - 1 SAN loss-inducing text mercifully snipped

Jumpin' Jesus on a pogo stick.

Shine on, you crazy diamond.

[HYBRID]

1st, the 90 C2 DP damage was 2 dimensional, not 3 dimensional: small typo correction. This is a typo I make too many time. To get exact damage for a volume area, use formula of a sphere that of [(4/3)*pi*r^3], which would require a 30 psyche or 30 C1 DP or default psyche to get damage that of moon crashing into earth, by converting area of damage by C3^(1/4) in millimeters to area volume, but *note* that area of a circle is [pi*r^2]. So, damage radius or diameter that of moon crashing into earch @ 30 C1 DP is radius or diamter of 1,000 kilometers or miles, similar equation used to get psyche that of the sun based on its radius or diamter, giving a psyche of 55 for the sun, but to calculate psyche that of object more massive that a star, you have to use intuitive quantum mechanics ( common sense ) to get psyche that of 120, which takes into account that stars are separated by distance of 10 light-years, and @ center of each galaxy is black hole around which the galaxy of stars orbit like planets orbiting a star, and you need to also take into account the space that separtes 2 average galaxies, and, also, life-span that of an average galaxy, leading to psyche of 120 for an average galaxy, and why Dr. Doom gets a psyche that of 99 @ C1 DP or default psyche. And, from there, you work backward to get psyche that of moon @ 30 or 30 C1 DP, since radius or diameter of moon is 1,000 kilometers or miles. But, note that 30 C1 DP = 152 C2 DP by 30^LOG10(30). But, US @ 24 psyche or 24 C1 DP = 80 C2 DP by 24^LOG10(24). In the '86 MU TSR rpg, most powers @ the low end of the power spectrum are rated @ C2 DP, but this is *implied* & never stated, and only after years of trial & error calculations, you end up with this conclusion that *powers* @ the low end of the power spectrum for mutants are @ C2 DP @ nd6, where molecular control @ 8d6 = 48 C2 DP, about that Spiderman, where 20 psyche = 49.28 C2 DP, and why they had the human version of Venom @ 20 psyche, where the writers were trying to say that if you convert the human psyche of 20 C2 DP to 20 C1 DP, you get the mutant equation, *but noone seem to have understood this subliminal message*, and why they had Venom @ 30 STR which was meant to say that Spiderman was @ 30 psyche, which was what the *clone sage*, and *Spiderman battling Firelord on Battle World during Secret Wars I*, and *Spiderman turning into Captain Universe* was all about, but "this implied message was never understood by the audience, except Stan Lee, himself, who *probably* kept it hidden to see if the audience can pick up on this secret coded messages into comics by using PLOT to explain his possible future rpg, which the '86 MU TSR rpg is infested with errors, because the writers of the rpg, never understood the subliminal messages for Marvel's future rpg and mistakenly created only 1 unit that being "Class" & why I created several units, some of which being: C1, C2, C3, and C4. Besides using C4 to calculate mass of a hypercube ( technology ), you can, also, use C4 to calculate SAT score, leaving out the low end of the scores, you get accurate predications, which give you total points @ C3 similar to that of characters in both D&D & in GURPS. And, another equation which is handy, if you wanted to take over a country, assuming the planet wasn't infested with mutants is the following to calcuate radius or diameter on a 2 dimensional scale of area of territory you can take over: 10^[[(C2 DP)^(1/2)]/2], which you can assign to Senator Kelly, who's @ 36 C2 DP @ power level that of Einstein or/and the fictional character PREDATOR, which fought Batman, where author of DC comic for that issue of PREDATOR vs. Batman was trying to state that Batman was @ 36 C2 DP, but in some issues & in cartoon episodes, Batman is boosted to 49 C2 DP that of the low end of the HULK power level which in that case you'd want to boost Batman's 17.7 psyche to that of 20. And, *note* that Einstein's psyche is 17.7 by my earlier IQ equation that of [10*(C1 DP)] to [100*LOG10(C3 DP)], where C3 = C2^LOG10(C2), and C2 = C1^LOG10(C1). But, you need to also note that majority of Klaw's points is used up in *teleportation*, which is very costly & expensive, but it isn't really teleportation, but the power stunt is faked by him, Klaw, turning into energy form & reappearing somewhere else and solidifying his body to make his appearance. So, in effect, Klaw is really @ 40 C2 DP, since Klaw can't use his teleportation power as attack except to flew from attack and this teleportation power is more defensive than offensive power stunt. So, in term of offensive attacks, both Wolverine & Klaw are @ the same power level, but *note* that though the Power Pack, also, are @ 40 C2 DP, their first 20 points @ C2 is their human form, next 10 points @ C2 for attack, & last 10 points for powers, which you can picture in terms of advantages & limitations, which is referred to as doppler effect & resonance theory in Hybrid rpg. So, the members of the Power Pack attacking would be making attacks @ power level that of Sabertooth @ 30 C2 default psyche.

[J. Roberts]

Originally posted by HYBRID
1st, the 90 C2 DP damage was 2 dimensional, not 3 dimensional: small typo correction. This is a typo I make too many time.

I make that mistake sometimes, too. Then I take my special medicine, and it's happy time! WHEEEE!

[HYBRID]

Further insight into 90 C2 DP, but *note* that nuclear damage by nuclear explosion increments 10x, [on a 2 dimensional scale], every 30 C2 DP in term of kilometers or miles of radius or diamter, starting with 30 C2 DP @ 10 km or miles radius or diameter of nuclear explosion by nuclear device by scientist @ 30 C2 DP, if he's given sufficient time & resources & manpower to build such a device, THEN with @ 60 C2 DP, area of damage is 100 miles by nuclear device, THEN with @ 90 C2 DP @ 25 psyche @ 25 C1 DP @ IQ 250 to 381 @ PL that of Klaw IF he was NOT a mutant & IF he was like (green) Leader, [area of damge is 1,000 miles by nuclear device(s)], so *in theory* a genius @ 120 C2 DP could nuke the 'entire' [surface of area], which might explain the DC-MU crossover where Dr Doom had Klaw as his assistant, where Doom was MISTAKENLY PUT @ 120 C2 DP IN THAT ISSUE @ POWER LEVEL THAT OF DR DESTROYER OF CHAMPIONS WHERE DOOM was trying to nuke earth, assuming this was *implied or/& subliminal* message for @ C2 DP IQ, but 1st power chart for large objects:

1 psyche or 1 C1 DP: asteroid with radius or diameter of 1 kilometer or miles, leading to FREE energy equation of Nkl. Tesla;
10 psyche or 10 C1 DP: large asteroid with radius or diameter of 10 kilometers or miles, where you alter his LS or life-span to increase its PL to figure out damage on impact to earth, use this method of calculating damage, also, for next power level;
20 psyche or 20 C1 DP: very large asteroid with radius or diameter of 100 kilometers or miles;
30 psyche or 30 C1 DP: the moon with radius or diameter of 1,000 kilometers or miles;
35 psyche or 30 C1 DP: mars @ diameter or radius of 3,162 kilometers or miles [includes margin of error for uncertainty], where you decrease radius or diamter slightly to figure out exact radius or diameter based on its potential or current prospects for supporting intelligent life-forms, the same with next power level;
40 psyche or 40 C1 DP: earth @ diameter or radius of 10,000 kilometers or miles [includes margin of error for uncertainty], where you decrease radius or diamter slightly to figure out exact radius or diamter based on its potential or current prospects for supporting intelligent life-forms, the same with next power level.

[J. Roberts]

Speaking of Psyche, my Psyche just made a C1*diameter of a whale sphincter + X2 * number of whiskers on Wolverine's face * length of Dr. Doom's artificial manhood (in mega-Angstroms) ***POOF*** sound as it exploded, taking my sweet, sweet SAN with it.

By the way, kudos for finally determining how Doom, with Klaw as his assistant, could possibly irradiate the entire planet with nukes. I just knew it had something to do with 120 CP@20 DP. Goddam NASA scientists can send a man to the moon, but can they explain Dr. Doom's nuclear irradiation diamter? No way. Goddam rocket scientists.

[RedFox]

Originally posted by HYBRID
small typo correction.

This word you keep using... I do not think it means what you think it means.

[HYBRID]

But, to answer question of a poster from yesterday: Hybrid rpg, is mostly about building a good defence and about building a good offense, in reference to combat & non-combat situations, such as let's say that there's a mutant @ 50 C2 DP & wants multiple wives, the maximum # of wives he can have would be 4, assuming that his target is that a woman that she'd go for a guy @ 20 C2 DP, notice the increment of 1 every 10 C2 DP, considering that it's illegal to have more than 1 wife, idea being to get around the law & cost to get around the law & points required to get around the law, sort of like somone stealing something under false pretense that for reasons that is justified & acceptable but NOT being the real intention(s) behind motive(s), & # of concubines or girlfriends (unregistered wives) he could have would be @ 4^2=16, simultaneously, sort of like a harem, but 5^5 or 3,125 girlfriends NON-simultaneously, sort of like 1 @ a time, meaning dumping one & moving onto another woman, sort of like that Senator @ 16.45 psyche = 16.45 C1 DP = 30 C2 DP by 16.45^LOG10(16.45) = 30 C2 DP < giving him a total of 27 girlfriends by 3^3 = 27, NON-simultaneously > running for President in the science-FICTION tv series The Dead Zone, where the Senator, being more focused, can achieve more, compared to Johnny @ 30 psyche or 30 C1 DP @ 152 C2 DP by 30^LOG10(30) = 152, where for Johnny, for whom [like changing C3 DP of human form of Power Pack to C2 DP for their mutant alter-ego to measure true power level of the Power Pack: from 40 C3 DP to 40 C2 DP after their transformation when accidently mutated by their father's invention going wrong, but my opinion is that they, the Power Pack were born with their powr, with their father's dimensional travel device was simulated by TK, sort of like in manner siimilar to that of brother of Colossus, whose brother had similar powers @ power level @ 30 psyche @ 30 C1 DP: *note* that Colossus is @ 20 C1 DP, while his sister is @ 40 C1 DP, and his brother, leader of the Morlocks, before being attacked by Professor X & his henchmen, brother of Colossus was @ 30 C1 DP before being forced to fake his death, so that Storm could become leader of X-Men, making {in my opinion} the X-Men as tricked into being super-villains ( without knowing ) < have you noticed that Professor X only tries to get young & impressional mutants into his mutant team, exception being Wolverine, whose nuts < in terms of being constant violent temper tantrums > ], you, similarly raise by 1 level by], convert(ing) the Senator's C2 DP to C1 DP for Johnny, meaning *IF* you give the Senator 30 C2 DP, then you give Johnny 30 C1 DP, where you notice the difference in C1 & C2, where C2, is given to the Senator of the same # but is LESS *magnitude* of point distribution than C1, which is given to Johnny, the psychic, the more powerful of the two competing characters, whose NOT very focused, and requires exponential points to get the same amount of work done, because he isn't focused, so this kind of answers the question of previous poster from yesterday regarding *combat*, that being being focused helps to solve a problem, assuming the method being used is efficient to solve a problem, without bringing too much attention or/and trouble [from the Power Puff Girls @ 60 C2 default psyche @ power level that of Clark Kent in the tv series "Smallville" - IF he were in their universe: you can use the *equation for hypercube (technology) to figure out that Flash is @ 1x or 24 psyche or 24 C1 DP @ 80 C2 DP in the cartoon tv series "Justice League", while Green Lantern in the same cartoon tv series "Justice League" is @ 2x or 48 psyche or 48 C1 DP @ 670 C2 DP by 48^LOG10(48) = 670 C2 default psyche - power level that of Heralds of Galactus (1 of 3 states: 1x, 2x, or 3x), while Onslaught @ 2x, while Professor X's Danger Room @ 1x or 2x, depending on interpretation of & the workings of the Danger Room of Professor X, compared to 2x PL of Onslaught of 90s, Professor X's alter ego - the true potential PL that of Professor X, considering he stopped Dark Phoenix & also teleported her away when Firelord was chasing her, the same reason that Marvel Hyperion fried some guy with an aging ray (implied- as it's only shown him all aged after Hyperion is stalking some mutant female that LOOKS somewhat between She-Hulk & Titania), to steal some (that her) woman for himself - and it *worked*, he (the old man, whose woman Hyperion was trying to steal, sort of like Firelord trying to steal Nova from the Silver Surfer, sort of like Spiderman trying to steal Betty from Flash Tompson, the old aging man died of old age, and she ( the 2 meter tall chick) fell for him (Hyperion) - IS THAT what women mean or talk about when refering to rape fantasy ?], as it's not about who goes 1st for which you can rules of any rules such that of Godlike or that of Champions rpg as to who goes 1st. And, what is C2 default psyche, with some further extra detail(s) and explanation(s) ? Total US nuclear warheads would be @ 75 C2 PL, but the country US would be @ 75 C2 DP, notice the difference of PL & DP. Another way of understanding C2 default psyche is by from point of view of WxH that of Godlike rpg, which is, also, built into C2, meaning with ever increasing values of C2 DP. So, to figure out # of nuclear weapons United States can make with each nuclear weapon, you start with scientist @ 30 C2 DP [minimum required, though *in theory* an engineer @ 25 C2 DP could buy or salvage part & put it together a crude nuclear bomb, considering i knew of a guy @ an IQ @ 25 C2 DP, who managed to get a PhD by age of 22, using that to make some crude computations, US be @ 3 quarters or 75 C2 DP @ 23.5 C1 DP, with # of nuclear warheads for a country increasing 10x @ every increments of 10 C2 DP. But, the WxH that of Godlike rpg would change DP to PL or power level, since lot of science-fiction stuff hasn't taken place, so you'd apply PL rather than DP increments. So, total US nuclear warheads would be @ 75 C2 PL, but the country US would be @ 75 C2 DP, notice the difference of PL & DP. So, if you compute 123 C2 DP of & for DR DESTROYER OF CHAMPIONS 5TH EDITION, you get its total its C3 default psyche by 123^LOG10(123) = 23,318.65 C3 DP = total points for in both GURPS & 5th Hero Universe.

[RedFox]

Originally posted by HYBRID IS THAT what women mean or talk about when refering to rape fantasy ?

No.

[Alien Rope Burn]

Despite my total incompetence (though the degree doesn't say that, funny... it really should) in Psych, I do think I can say:

THERE IS SOME CHANCE THAT THIS WRITER IS MORE THAN A LITTLE SCHIZOPHRENIC.

Like Francis E. Dec, like Timecube.com, like... like... Dr. Bronner's Soap... like Darren and Jason...

[NPC EnPeaSea]

Originally posted by dparrot101
I have one very quick question...

Does Hybrid make Spawn of Fashan, FATAL, Synnibar, etc. look like works of art?

(I have never read any of the above games, except for Hybrid, and my brain still hurts from rule 1....that's as far as I got.)

John
(Trying my best to stir the pot a little more)

Doubtful. FATAL and it's fellow travellers are at least nominally playable. Nothing I've ever seen of Hybrid remotely meets this standard.

And when you dig up the older threads about what Marvel Comics were REALLY saying... I hope Smallville Talons gets the professional help he needs someday.

[Marius B]

There's no way this is the "real" C++.

M.

[HYBRID]

Here is a super simple example using the Venom of MU: he *without* his super ( @ maximum human limits ) strength ( in human form, still) would be @ 20 C2 DP = 49.28 point character @ total of 49.28 points, with all things considered, in GURPS and HERO @ 49.28 C3 DP, but with his super strength ( still in human form ) be @ 25 C2 DP = Average Mind Body and Soul of 5 in BESM rpg = 90 point character in GURPS & HERO @ 90 C3 default psyche, but with his Venom costume, his psyche is pushed up to 20 C1 DP = 20 Psyche, allowing him his powers. *Notice* that molecular control similar to that of both Venom and that of Spiderman's webbing is @ 49.28 C2 power level, but because of the frequency that this power is used, you *replace* PL or power level by DP or default psyche: you can increase PL by decreasing DP which would also decrease LS or his Life-Span, so whatever amount you decrease DP, you can increase PL by that same amount, but by that same amount LS or his Life-Span is decreased: this method is used to figure out DP, PL, and LS of the Elders of the MU Universe, where you start them off @ about 1x for the Trader or the Wrestler < where the narrator attempts to tell the reader that the Silver Surfer is @ 80 C1 DP [which is close to 3x] compared to the Wrestler @ 80 C2 DP [which is @ 1x, but you could always intrepret Wrestler's stats differently @ 2x rather than @ 1x, where 2x or 2x24 = 48 psyche = 48 C1 DP < Life-Force that of Onslaught, alter-ego, of Professor-X, is the average Life Force of an average Elder, where the Runner would be @ 2x, but the narrator had the Runner defeat the Silver Surfer, but the SS faked his defeat so that he could end up be rescued by Mantis, his future girlfriend: lot of the time comic characters have alterior motives such as DC Batman using Robin as bait get women, sort of like a guy using a his pet dog as bait while going for a walk on the beach to catch a pretty girl, where girl might might think if Robin ( who is only a side-kick ) can do this or that, IMAGINE *what* BATMAN could do and Batman is @ 36 C2 DP while Robin ( kid version ) is only @ 36 C3 DP < but, it's possible that Robin could have been Batman's illegitamate child, where Robin's mother could have commited adultery, you never know as to the true background stories which is *never* revealed, as the background story behind Robin could have been false or falsified to make Batman look good, as media prefer to have heroes as good-looking guys, while villains as NOT so good looking guys: in another words, Batman isn't really interested in fighting crime; Batman is only interested in getting women and stealing other corporations, in manner SIMILAR to that of Batman_Beyond series, where Batman uses a young impression lad, *probably* his own son ( though it's IMPLIED THAT HE'S NOT his son, but Batman is master of deception ), in manner that he, Batman, uses Robin, Batman in Batman_Beyond uses him (he could be his son, NOT sure, but *probably* is IF Batman is lieing about it) to make him look good to trashing anyone that attempts to ruin his monopoly over Gothem City, both version of Batman, EXCLUDING the British Version, who was just nuts, whom Batman hired, while recuperating from injuries from Bane, arch enemy of Batman, but BANE is ONLY @ life-force that of Sabertooth @ 30 C2 DP, but it's possible for Bane to defeat Batman *temporarily* if Batman was pre-occupied with his Wayne Enterprise while fighting costing Batman ( Bruce Wayne ) pionts reducing Batman to 30 C2 DP, making Bane an even match for Batman, where in other episodes Bane loses to Batman, *probably* because Batman isn't preoccupied with Wayne Enterprise; *this is all just my opinion and interpretation*] but noone seem to have caught onto that little subliminal message, while 2x for the Gardener or the Collector, & 3x for the Grand Master. But, when you change 25 C2 DP to 25 C1 DP which = 25^LOG10(25) = 90 C2 DP = power level that of Carnage [the subliminal message in the '80s carnage issue of Spiderman that Peter Parker is *may or maybe* be @ 90 C2 DP = +10 (C2 DP) ABOVE power level that of Mysterio, IF Mysterio is @ 80 C2 DP @ 1x < which is PL that of Flash of/in of the cartoon series of JUSTICE LEAGUE: 1x = 1x24 = 24 psyche = 24 C1 DP = 80 C2 DP by 24^LOG10(24) = 80.35 > but Mysterio *may or maybe* be @ 90 C2 DP for Mysterio, arch enemy of Spiderman] = power level that of Spiderman's ( temporary ) alter-ego of ( pretending to be ) Captain-Universe @ 90 C2 DP = PL that of the '80s Tri-Sentinel = total points of 6,592 in GURPS and HERO @ 6,592 C3 DP by 90^LOG10(90).

[DeadlyUematsu]

Hey Hybrid, how do I convert D&D characters to Hybrid? Exalted characters? Nobilis characters?

[The Shadowy Mr. Evans]

Originally posted by DeadlyUematsu
Hey Hybrid, how do I convert D&D characters to Hybrid? Exalted characters? Nobilis characters?

No, dont you see? They are ALREADY converted! Hybrid is completely compatible! All you have to do is figure out how the hell Hybrid works!

[DeadlyUematsu]

Originally posted by The Shadowy Mr. Evans


No, dont you see? They are ALREADY converted! Hybrid is completely compatible! All you have to do is figure out how the hell Hybrid works!

Yes, but I'm not a genius and therefore cannot utilize the marvel that is Hybrid.

Please help me. :(

[HYBRID]

I meant decreasing his default life-span to increase his default power level, NOT decreaseing his default psyche which, DP, is AND remains constant. And, you can, also, Increase Life-Span (in order) to Decrease Power Level, but MOST mutants *prefer* to Decrease Life-Span to Increase Power Level, *to* create an illusion that mutants have a life-span that of humans, allowing them to increase their power level beyond their default status, which is how Spiderman, can convert his molecular control that of his webbing, which is faked by his web-shooters, so that it doesn't appear that he's a mutant, even though humans can wall-crawl or lift cars, but Spiderman thinks he can fake being human by his hiding his TK simulated webbing by molecular control. But, it's, also, possible, that Spiderman is simply @ a higher C2 DP due to the high frequency of use of his powers and the fact that he's around in comics for decades. And, he can only pull that off if he's @ higher C2 default psyche. So, he's probably @ 1x rather than @ 0.8x, though, when he thought he was a clone, he seemed to be reduced to 0.7x, or was it his clone life-force that of Dare-Devil @ 31.72 C2 DP by 16.8^LOG10(16.8) = 31.72, where 16.8 = psyche.

[E Dagger]

THIS is the clincher. He included a brownie recipe as part of the game rules... HAS to be a joke.

[/quote]HYBRID ( BROWNIE ) CAKE RECIPE :




USE ONLY (1/7)BAR OF BUTTER FOR ANY CAKE RECIPE. And, since this rpg HYBRID is kind of long, so, as a side note, I’ve included a hybrid brownie cake recipe, though the hybrid part is optional, IF you want to make something before you start reading this, so that you’d have something to eat while reading this, I’ve included a recipe for a brownie, but it can be used for just about any cake, including blueberry muffins or even yellow cake. Total bake time for any cake is 22 minutes,
[/quote]

[The Shadowy Mr. Evans]

Originally posted by DeadlyUematsu


Yes, but I'm not a genius and therefore cannot utilize the marvel that is Hybrid.

Please help me. :(

Ten steps to understanding Hybrid:

1. Tequila. Lots and Lots of it should be injested over the period of a year until your immunity is high enough that you can drink at least two bottles before getting drunk.

2. Conscious-altering substances are important. Pot isnt enough here, you need at least a couple beans of Peyote and some airplane glue. In extreme circumstances, drinking the liquid from a container of oxy pads might work.

3. Read every single issue of Grant Morrison's The Invisibles in a single sitting while listening to either The Carpenters or the soundtrack to Lost Highway.

4. Rent and watch the following movies back to back: Kafka, Naked Lunch, Schizopolis, Breakfast of Champions, Spiceworld, Better Off Dead, and The Last Temptation of Christ.

5. Read any Stephen Hawkings book backwards and take a shot of jaggermeister anytime he uses the word "universe". Take two shots every time you get the urge to tip over his wheelchair in the street and laugh at him.

6. Watch Carl Sagan's "Cosmos" series and then read the Picture Bible.

7. Invite friends over to watch the Spider-man movie and constantly complain that Nicholas Hammond was much better in the part. Repeat for Superman using George Reeves, and Batman using Adam West.

8. Read the Book of the Subgenius and the Principia Discordia right before taking a GED equivilancy test.

9. Find a copy of the Al-Azif in Latin and translate no less than half the book. Take a shot of Jaggermeister everytime anyone tells you Lovecraft "invented" the Necronomicon.

10. Roll up ten characters for TSR's original Marvel Universe RPG advanced set, and then convert those characters to Hero 4th edition, Villians & Vigilantes, Mutants and Masterminds, and AD&D 2nd edition.

Now you are ready to read Hybrid.

[HYBRID]

If you do a google search on Nobilis, you'll get a rating system with a rating of 5 for somone like Superboy. You know how powerful Superboy is. So, you apply equation listed below to get his psyche that of [10 + 5] = 15 CA DP which you then convert to C1 DP by 15^LOG10(15) = 24.17 C1 DP = 81.89 C2 DP = 4,575.35 C3 DP which is @ 1x in my shorthand version. So, total points for Superboy in GURPS and HERO [assuming the writer, and by "writer" i mean the person writing up the character's total, and he or she isn't cheating, and by "cheating" i mean using a different piont distribution other than what everyone else is assuminng, but everyone else may also be cheating, and by "cheating" it could, also, be MISTAKES, by "mistakes" i mean using the wrong point distribution in getting his total when comparing total of different characters, FOR EXAMPLE, you give the SIX MILLION DOLLAR MAN a 33 C2 DP, which then you decrease his Life-Span to 22 C2 by [33-11] = 22 to get his power level of [33+11] = 44 C2 PL, which WHEN YOU TAKE THE SQUARE ROOT OF 44 as exponent for 10, giving you 10^6.63 = $4,297,833 technolgy, so you'd want to give him 34 C2 DP rather than 33 C2 DP where 34 C2 DP = 221.53 C3 DP giving a total of 221.53 total in GURPS and in HERO for the SIX MILLION DOLLAR MAN @ 34 C2 DP @ 17.3 psyche = 17.3 C1 DP which by 17.3^LOG10(17.3) = 34.1 C2 default psyche, but @ 34 C2 DP, he'd still be only @ $5 million technology, so you'd want to raise his C2 DP to 35, but you can can get $6 million technology out of 34 C2 DP by reducing his life-span to less than 22 C2 such as 20, giving you an extra 1 C2 point for power level which then [44 + 2] = 46, which is what you're looking for, since [[LOG10(6 million)]^2] = 45.94, which when rounded off = 46, where his 1st 33 points is his powers and his last 11 points his shape-shifting < by shape-shifting, i mean the parts that are revealed such as during accidents or after combat with foes, not referring to the 1st few minutes of introduction to the show, which if you use as for his total, THEN he'd get a slightly higher rating that of 36 C2 DP @ level that of the PREDATOR alien entity @ 264.29 C3 DP @ total of 264.49 by 36^LOG10(36) = 264.49 in GURPS and HERO @ 36 C2 default psyche >, into a cyborg, which gives [33+11] = 44 C2 PL, *note* running chart {10 @ 1 mph, 20 @ 10 mph, 30 @ 100 mph, next 3 C2 points for his infra-red vision, and next 11 C2 point for shape-shifting into a cyborg, where 33 C2 DP = 202.25 C3 DP; so, he'd get 202.25 points in GURPS & HERO @ 33 C2 DP @ 17.1 psyche @ 17.1 C1 DP which by 17.1^LOG10(17.1) = 33.13 C2 DP}, meaning if you convert some of the C3 to C2, you end up with a LOWER TOTAL if some of is powers are listed in SUM for its total as C2 rather than @ C3, which IF ALL OF HIS POWERS ARE @ C3, THEN ITS TOTAL would be @ 4,575 [this TOTAL does NOT have any time-travel powers, but limited to 1 earth AND he, also, does NOT have any faster than light powers, either @ 81.89 C2 default psyche which is @ level that of the 3 main members of the Fantastic Four, leaving out Reed, whose @ C1 rather than @ C2 of the other 3 members of the F.F.] in both GURPS and in HERO, since Superboy is @ 1x = 1x24 = 24 psyche that of Klaw, Shadowcat, Tri-Sentinel, or Juggernaut WITHOUT HIS MAGIC HELMET. < i'm not sure how powerful Polaris is, as i've only read 2 comics about her, so i've very limited information on how powerful she is >. But, here's a super simple equation of converting Marvel Saga to Nobilis, based on above example but works for *ALL* MU characters for MU SAGA and Nobilis, but gives *only* an average estimate in terms of his psyche, [reason that I use "his" is because women use up most of their points for their COM and by doppler effect ( female mutants ) use only a fraction of their points for mutant powers compared to guys, who take up less points for COM but have much less points than women, male mutants use up MUCH MORE of their points for powers than female mutants in Hybrid rpg, *based on doppler effect*], but both are averages that being in terms of psyche. Here it is: [(CA DP) - 10] = # rating ( without units ) for average psyche in MU SAGA, but MU SAGA doesn't use psyche, but it's IMPLIED, after trial and error. You end up with the above equation. The "A" stands for magic which is a higher level that C1, which is normally given to most of MU characters, but some characters have really high psyche but when narrator doesn't want to reveal true psyche status of characters, they give this "CA" ( implied version ) of psyche, for such characters as Dr Strange, where they have Dr Strange have higher psyche through "EYE OF AGOMOTTO" < not sure if I spelled it right, but assuming that the Eye of Agomotto is a tacyion projection created by Dr Strange to creat an illusion that he just human, sort of like Forge of X-Factor, attempts to look weaker than he really is. But, FIRST NOTE THAT GALACTUS IS @ 40 CA DP = 368.63 C1 DP which is power level that of 100 galaxies, using assuming of 10x every 120 C1 DP for # of galaxies. I, originally, had 2 separate equations: 1 for matter and 2nd equation for space, but since matter occupies space, you don't need 2 separate equations, you can combine both these equations into 1, not sure why I didnt' think of that earlier. But, that's getting beyond life-force that of Dr Doom, if you're interesting in super-campaigns that involve the likes of the Eon, who is the only Marvel character i have NO idea what level to put him @ since he's *never* doing anything except where the narrator says that Eon is "all-seeing" < ok !??? > which doesn't really tell me anything about how powerful Eon is. But, leaving out Eon, it easy to figure out most other any fictional characters except Eon, and that other character is just as difficult to figure out "One Above All" is like saying that y is greater than x but *not* knowing exact how much greater than x. Ok, so, there are 2 fictional characters which I have *no* clue as to their TRUE life-force, but it's pretty much easy to figure out everything else, except those fancy math symbols which don't tell you anything unless you have photographic memory so you can figure out where all the typos are located, but very few of us have photographic memories, leaving out possibilities that the average person can be a math genius, so that leaves us, the common folks, with INTUITION, which by intuitive quantum mechanics or by common sense, you can figure out most where everything stands. But, getting back to Nobilis, IF AND WHEN you subtract 10 from 40, you get 30, which is rating that of Galactus. But, if you put Dr Strange @ rating that of between an Elder and less than Galactus, you'd put Dr Strange @ slightly greater than that of Reed Richards @ for Dr Strange @ 152 C1 DP @ 30 CA DP, which in both Nobilis and MU SAGA = [30 - 10 ] = 20 rating. So, Dr. Strange would get or be @ 20 in both MU SAGA and Nobilis. So, both Nobilis and MU SAGA are compatible with each other. And, IF you apply: psyche @ CA DP = [# + 10], you can figure out CA DP based on the average # rating for character, and from CA DP, you can figure out C1, C2, and C3, where C3 is total points for characters in GURPS in HERO, though total in and for characters written in and for the 250 Point Project that of and for HERO = IQ, not C3. So, you need to use the IQ equation for total points in and for the 250 Point Project to figure out total points for characters by IQ = [10*(C1 DP)] to [100*LOG10(C3 DP)] which is range for IQ, but IQ is manifestation of PL or power level, but since PL can be increased and decreased, it's easier to picture IQ with an average estimate, with few exceptions.

[The Amazing Arashi]

Originally posted by The Shadowy Mr. Evans


Ten steps to understanding Hybrid:

1. Tequila. Lots and Lots of it should be injested over the period of a year until your immunity is high enough that you can drink at least two bottles before getting drunk.

3. Read every single issue of Grant Morrison's The Invisibles in a single sitting while listening to either The Carpenters or the soundtrack to Lost Highway.


Making fun of Hybrid is all well and good, but I'll be damned if I'll let you make fun of tequila, Morrison, and the Lost Highway soundtrack without calling you on it...

[The Shadowy Mr. Evans]

Originally posted by The Amazing Arashi


Making fun of Hybrid is all well and good, but I'll be damned if I'll let you make fun of tequila, Morrison, and the Lost Highway soundtrack without calling you on it...

Well, since I own and love the lost Highway soundtrack, I am directly related to Grant Morrison and a BIG Invisibles fan, and ...well...no comment on the Tequila...I wouldnt assume that I was "making fun", as such...

[Steve Conan Trustrum]

Originally posted by HYBRID
Ok, I got length of aircraft carrier wrong. It looked really big, so I assumed it was 1 km long, but after checking its exact length, it comes out to or is about (1/3) km long @ about an average length of 333 meters which in # of ft. = 333x3.28 = 1,092.52 ft.
Okay, and here's the kicker, you're expecting people to take your word on these things and accept that your math is based off of fact, and yet here you had to admit that you were estimating. Not only that, but your estimate was off by two-thirds of a kilometer! That's a pretty big mistake. So, when you put up all these other estimates, how can we be sure that your guesstimations there aren't similarly off base? If you can't take the time to do some simple research, how can someone be expected to take the time to learn your system or even play it?

And, again, really ... learn how to use paragraphs. Paragraphs are your friend. Run on sentences are the enemy. Single paragraph posts of 1,000+ words are the Hitlers of Internet forum discussions: they are evil and go on long after they should have been finished off.

[The Amazing Arashi]

Originally posted by The Shadowy Mr. Evans


Well, since I own and love the lost Highway soundtrack, I am directly related to Grant Morrison and a BIG Invisibles fan, and ...well...no comment on the Tequila...I wouldnt assume that I was "making fun", as such...

I enjoyed the invisibles, but the Filth runs rings around it...

[The Shadowy Mr. Evans]

Originally posted by The Amazing Arashi


I enjoyed the invisibles, but the Filth runs rings around it...

Waiting for trade on the Filth. Waiting for trade on everything thse days...Ive almost given up on monthlys.

[The Amazing Arashi]

Originally posted by The Shadowy Mr. Evans


Waiting for trade on the Filth. Waiting for trade on everything thse days...Ive almost given up on monthlys.

I'm all but done with monthlies myself. And I still keep up with it every month. It's that good...

Back on Topic:
Do you think that HYBRID is actually some weird computer program as opposed to an honest-to-god human?

[HYBRID]

But, 1st, *IF* Carnage is a tacyion projection created by Peter Parker, then Carnage *doesn't* get 90 C2 DP, but gets 90 C2 PL, rather than 90 C2 DP which reduces psyche that of Carnage to *perhaps* 50 C3 DP, *since* it's NON-existance, but imaginary entity of Peter Parker, *since* Peter Parker is *assumed* to be @ 50 C2 DP. And, now, for the Nobilis and MU SAGA, power chart defined by in terms of *average* psyche @ CA DP, where # rating = [(CA DP) - 10]:

@ rating of 1: average adult male in United States @ 11 CA DP;
@ rating of 2: elite adult male in United States @ 12 CA DP;
@ rating of 3: a scientist about smart as Einstein or Lex Luthor or MU Beast_Man of X-Men @ 13 CA DP = 17.41 C1 DP = 34.65 C2 = 234.84 C3 DP = total points of [234.84] in GURPS & HERO but @ total points of between [174.1 & 237] if written for the 250_Point_ Project @ life-force that of the fictional character SIX MILLION $ MAN @ rating of 3 in Nobilis and MU SAGA for them;
@ rating of 4: Spiderman, Colossus, Cyclops, etc.;
@ rating of 5: DC Superboy or Clark Kent of tv series Smallville, as well as the likes of Klaw, Shadowcat, Mysterio, and the Juggernaut;
@ rating of 5.5: MU Iceman;
@ rating of 6: DC Firestorm, and the MU Nightcrawler & Mystique;
@ rating of 7: DC Firestorm [ not sure if he's @ 6 or 7, as sometimes, he's as low @ 5, as when Firestorm fought the Zuggernaut in DC Russia: writers keep chaning his rating(s)];
@ rating of 9: MU Dark Phoenix @ 19 CA DP = 43.17 C1 DP;
@ rating of 10: MU Professor Xavier @ 20 CA DP = 49.28 C1 DP;
Thanos: @ between 9 & 18, @ average rating of 13 @ 23 CA DP @ 71.5 C1 DP @ 3x by 23^LOG10(23) = 71.5 psyche = *average* 71.5 C1 default psyche: Uata, the Watcher;
@ rating of 20: MU Dr. Strange @ 30 CA DP, *assuming* he's weaker than Galactus, but [IF] it's possible that he's @ rating higher than 20, *IF* Eye of Agomotto is a tacyion projection created by figment of Dr. Strange's imagination [IF, THEN];
@ rating of 30: MU Galactus @ 40 CA default psyche;
@ rating of 40: MU Eternity and Mistress Death @ 50 CA DP;
@ rating of 50: Living Tribunal @ 60 CA default psyche; and,
@ rating of 60: Warlock of Infinity Watch @ 70 CA DP.

[HYBRID]

I said that assign C3 PL to unit ft. if it's a battleship, otherwise assing unit meter if it's not battleship but civilian like cruise_liner or an oil tanker. So, if length of battleship is 1,000 ft. long, then just assign 1,000 C3 PL. But, if cruise_liner or oil_tanker of 21st or 22nd century is @ 1,000 C3 PL, then it would have length of 1,000 meters. But, if cruise_liner or oil_tanker is @ length of 1,000 ft, then divide 1,000 by 3.28 to get its correct C3 PL or power level. So, my error in estimate of aircraft carrier is not that big a problem, since I had given C3 PL estimate @ length of 1 kilometer which was *incorrect*, but all you had to do was change the incorrect length of 3,280 ft. to 1,000 ft. which would change its C3 PL from 3,280 C3 PL to 1,000 C3 PL, where 3,280 C3 PL = 75 C2 PL in my *original incorrect estimate length of aircraft carrier*, but the C3 PL was correct, "in terms of the rules of my rpg". So, by making the necessary correction in length, you simply move the C2 PL down from 75 C2 PL to 53.95 C2 PL. I seriously *doubted* that an aircraft carrier might me that long, as it violated one of my other rules for making nuclear bombs which the rule told me that my estimate was incorrect, but i never checked or looked up the correct length of aircraft carrier. But, finding out that the, my, original estimate for its length was incorrect only serves to make my other rules stronger, *since* one of my other rules told me that my estimate was incorrect, but I never bothered to make sure its actual length which I should not have done & i should have take that extra 5 minutes to make sure its actual length, but I was *nervous* that if it really was 1 km. long then my other rules would be incorrect, and so left it as a blank, but BECAUSE IT TURNED OUT TO BE INCORRECT LENGTH, IT SERVES TO MAKE STRONGER THE OTHER RULES, others except the probabilities for love, which works too much like my anti-matter equation, meaning there's too much math involved in figuring out the exact probabilities, and by math, i don't mean anything advanced, but simple stuff, but still too much work, for now, at least. But, as futher disclaimer, by probabilities for dating is not entirely accurate, as i was too busy with increasing accuracy of my other rules, as i never improved accuracy of my dating equations which are very flawed !

[RedFox]

I read the Invisibles.

Much like HYBRID, I don't get it.

[Phantom Grunweasel]

Okay, so people (comparatively) near and dear to the actual author of Hybrid are claiming our Hybrid is a fake. But they're not sure.

So, which do you find more disturbing:

That HYBRID here is genuine and is writing out pages and pages of this weird shit because he really feels that this is the what the Internet needs more of?

That HYBRID is an impostor and someone is so bored and starved of attention that they're willing to go to the trouble of writing out pages and pages of imitation weird shit because they feel this is what they must do?


Either way, I'm pretty worried about the guy's stability

[Steve Conan Trustrum]

Personally, I vote it's all a joke.

[Marius B]

It's a joke.

He hits the writing pretty dead-on, but the general attitude towards his "audience" just doesn't convince me.

The real C++ is more aggressive.

M.

[Phantom Grunweasel]

Originally posted by Steve Conan Trustrum
Personally, I vote it's all a joke.

What, the whole thing? Long correspondence with Blackberry and Philippe, long posting history on other forums, the many versions of Hybrid itself? It would seem strange to go to such trouble. Then again, it seems pretty fucking weird to do it in the first place, so I guess you may have a point

[cavesalamander]

Now I haven't the stanima to read through 13 pages of this this "Hybrid's" posts, but if I remember from my days at rec.frp.superheroes (and how, oh how could I forget C++), these just don't feel authentic.

For one thing, I haven't seen any mention about the genius of Stan Lee and Nikola Tesla. I remember the real Hitesh/C++ having quite the fetish with those two.

Secondly, I agree that he's not aggressive enough. Maybe it's because you all are being nicer to him than what he got on rec.supers, but I seem to recall him pitching a hissy fit every other day or so, vowing never to post again, and then return in the most unlikely of subjects with his equations.

Thirdly, the appearance of complete and sometimes comprehensible sentances leads me to think this isn't the real thing.

All that being said, this thread sure brings back the memories...

[NPC Dave]

I got nine pages into this thread and gave up. However, I'm convinced that this *must* be a joke, no matter how convincing the guy is. HYBRID contains neither maths nor English, so a random word generator programme seems a more likely option than a serious person behind it all.
Or is there something I'm not getting here?

[The Shadowy Mr. Evans]

Originally posted by RedFox
I read the Invisibles.

Much like HYBRID, I don't get it.

A bit off topic ( if thats possible in a Hybrid thread), but here goes...

10 STEPS TO UNDERSTANDING THE INVISIBLES (Really! and you dont even need to do drugs!)

1. Read Robert Anton Wilson's Cosmic Trigger 1, 2, & 3 and The Illuminatus Trilogy

2. Read Chaos Magick, Aliester Crowley's Magick Without Tears, and Sir James Frazer's The Golden Bough

3. Read Holy Blood, Holy Grail

4. Watch Speed

5. Watch The Matrix, and whenever anybody says "the Matrix" , replace it with "holographic reality projection " and whenever anybody says "Zion", replace it with "the Chapel Perilous"

6. Read The Lost Treasure of the Knights Templars by Steven Sora

7. Read Doom Patrol (2nd series) # 21- 63 ( Hint: Crazy Jane is actually Robin)

8. Read The Philedelphia Experiment, Apocalypse Culture, The Marquis DeSade's Justine and William Blake's Selected Poems

9.Watch no less than two seasons of Doctor Who, the entire Prisoner TV series from beginning to end, and Brazil.

10. Pretend you are a drunk, bald, angry Scotsman who travels the world doing yoga and ingesting more drugs than Iggy Pop.

[RedFox]

Originally posted by The Shadowy Mr. Evans


A bit off topic ( if thats possible in a Hybrid thread), but here goes...

10 STEPS TO UNDERSTANDING THE INVISIBLES (Really! and you dont even need to do drugs!)

1. Read Robert Anton Wilson's Cosmic Trigger 1, 2, & 3 and The Illuminatus Trilogy

2. Read Chaos Magick, Aliester Crowley's Magick Without Tears, and Sir James Frazer's The Golden Bough

3. Read Holy Blood, Holy Grail

4. Watch Speed

5. Watch The Matrix, and whenever anybody says "the Matrix" , replace it with "holographic reality projection " and whenever anybody says "Zion", replace it with "the Chapel Perilous"

6. Read The Lost Treasure of the Knights Templars by Steven Sora

7. Read Doom Patrol (2nd series) # 21- 63 ( Hint: Crazy Jane is actually Robin)

8. Read The Philedelphia Experiment, Apocalypse Culture, The Marquis DeSade's Justine and William Blake's Selected Poems

9.Watch no less than two seasons of Doctor Who, the entire Prisoner TV series from beginning to end, and Brazil.

10. Pretend you are a drunk, bald, angry Scotsman who travels the world doing yoga and ingesting more drugs than Iggy Pop.

That's going to take quite a bit of time.