When Calls The Combined DC/Marvel Super Team Draft!!!

[Daz Florp Lebam]

The Combined DC/Marvel Super Team Draft!!!

Two Titanic Universe For The Price Of One!!!

This thread is a draft for membership in a number of DC Comics and Marvel Universe superhero teams. Characters can be drafted from both universes as though they have always existed on the same Earth.

The teams are set, and no other teams will be allowed unless you’re totally jonesin’ for it and those with teams already can agree on where to put you in the drafting order.

Characters must be heroes, “anti-heroes”, redeemable/non-hardcore villains, or villains with some history of or inclination toward switching sides, i.e. Catwoman is okay, The Joker is not. Magneto is okay, Dr. Doom is not.

Characters from alternate or future timelines are valid, if they make some sort of sense (to me, I guess, but Ill be lenient!). Spider-Girl seems to have been fairly mainstreamed, so she could be a Teen Titan. Anyone from the LSH could be a Teen Titan (trapped in past, in love with someone in our time, etc.). Hell, the whole Teen Titans could be far-future versions of modern heroes. I know there are LSH timeline descendants of Superman and The Flash, right?...

Two instances of the same character is not allowed, save where there’s precedence or a creative explanation – Superboy can be in the past (in a small town in Kansas) or in the future (in the LSH), AND Superman can be in the present, because that Superboy could travel thru time with ease.

That said, don't munchkin or I will sick my Omega Beams on you!

Here’s the process:

Round 0 was snatching up teams. (It was called round 1, but I thought it better to start fresh now)

Rounds 1-7: In round 1, each team picks one team member, in the order established in Round 1, and that character is no longer available to anyone else (with some exceptions possible). Round 2 works in reverse order, from the team picked last in round 1 to the team picked first in round 1. We continue this reversing with each round.

You can PM me with a list of picks (multiple, even if you’re PMing me just one Round’s worth, in order of preference), IF you foresee not being able to get to a computer when your turn to pick comes around. You can also have a proxy pick for you, but you gotta let me know who that proxy is!

I am not installing a set time limit on how long we’ll wait for a drafter to draft a hero. Granted, we all want to draft, but even super heroes have to sleep sometime. That includes me!

If a supporting character is crucial to you and the team, I'd pick them during the main draft process if I were you.

Dead, schmead! Retcon, schmetcon! If these two universes have been together the whole time, who's to say whose death wasn't prevented by the presence of so-and-so or such-and-such, and who says any of those retcons happened. Between pre-Crisis and post-Crisis, Marvel regular updated origins, alternate earths, Hypertime, and who knows what else, I can't imagine keeping things limited to one small instance of continuity. Hopefully this won't make for too many draft problems or confusions. If they died a good death (Marvel's Captain Marvel, for instance....and it just occured to me that we have a universe with 2 Captain Marvels), keep them dead, or at least come up with some half-baked explanation as to why or how they're back.

But don’t pull any Squadron Supreme $#!t. They’re just another Justice League, so no fair!


Round 8: Pick main villain or to trouble your team, or a supporting charcter if you really want) for your one-year story arc, carrying over with the crazy reversing order thing from round 7.

Round 9: Pick a second villain or supporting character.

Here’s the Round 1 order:

1. THE AVENGERS: “Donald Stone”

2. JL: “Megamanfan”

3. THE FUTURE TEAM: “Spiderman1fan”

4. THE FOREVER PEOPLE: "Evan Waters"

5. THE EXPLORERS TEAM: “Theodore Jay Miller”

6. THE MISFIT TEAM: “Rhino”

7. THE TEENAGE TEAM: “Bull”

8. THE ALL-FEMALE TEAM: Trenchcoat Brigand

9. THE GROWN-UP TEEN TEAM: Son of Kirk.

10. THE MERCENARY TEAM: “Robot Fury”

11. THE MONSTER TEAM: “Corinthi”

12. THE CELEBRITY TEAM: “JdRavnos”

13. THE TOTALLY OUT THERE CONCEPT TEAM: “Shameless Poser”

14. THE LEGACY TEAM: “suedenim”

15. THE GOLDEN AGE TEAM: “Ryan Samuelson”

16. THE GOVERNMENT SUPER TEAM: “Lee Casebolt”

17. THE REGIONAL SPIN-OFF TEAM: “Bobaloo”

18. THE PARANORMAL TEAM: “Orochi”

19. THE INTERNATIONAL TEAM: “Matt David T.”

20. THE EXTREME SPIN-OFF TEAM: “Gilok”

21. THE FIELD AGENTS: “budman”

Here is the format for your posts.


Round [#]
[your # on the list above]
TEAM NAME
(Initial Team Concept)
Hero Name
Hero Name
Etc.
[ad these guys as you go: http://jerome.galica.free.fr/ ]
Base of Operations
Freaky cool ideas your dreaming up for your team.



So Donald Stone’s first post would read something like:

Round 1
1
THE AVENGERS
(however DS wants to describe them, since they had no abstract team concept during the team draft)
Wonder Woman!

Avengers Mansion, in the heart of Manhattan!


or something.



Things to think about:

Heroes who remain undrafted by the end could be dead! If no one drafts Dr. Strange, "The Death of Dr. Strange" might be a key moment in the history of this universe...

It might be fun to come up with a crossover event for all the team’s annuals. It would be cool if by the time we get to the story arcin’ there were some history and crises established.



And now, the moment you’ve all been waiting for!
Let the drafting begin!

Donald Stone! I call you forth! Who shall be first to join the ranks of the band of heroes the world calls – THE AVENGERS!!!?

[Donald Stone]

Okay, I had to think about this one a lot, as there's two characters I really want to make my concept work, but I'm sure whichever one I don't pick will get nabbed by someone before my next pick roles around. So...

Round 1
1
The Avengers

While other teams live high above the world, surounded by lofty ideals and ambitions, the Avengers live and work in it.

Wonder Woman

http://jerome.galica.free.fr/dc%20comics/Wonder%20Woman/WonderWoman-Byrne0.gif


Base of Operations: Avengers Mansion, New York City

My basic theme is that while the Avengers are heroes, they are also soldiers, and if they have to they'll do what other teams won't.

[Megamanfan]

Should I just post my pick?

[Evan Waters]

Should I just post my pick?

I think that's the idea.

[Megamanfan]

Round: 1
Draft Order: 2
Team: The Justice League
Initial Concept: The world's first line of defense against invaders from other worlds, planes or dimensions.

Captain Marvel
http://jerome.galica.free.fr/dc%20comics/Jla/shazam/F7_jla_captain_marvel.gif

Base of Operations: Justice Tower, Earth's orbit

I'm leaning towards a disenchanted Captain Marvel who, after a brief stint with the Avengers, left to form a team that was more personal and more in line with his beliefs. Have some tension with the two teams maybe...

Nothing solid has hit me yet.

[Fenris07]

Round 1
Draft Order:2
Team: The Future Team AKA Futureshock
First Pick: Bishop



http://jerome.galica.free.fr/marvel/X-Men/2nd%20team/bishop/bishop5.gif

Base: A floating city in the middle of the nexus between time and space.

Team BattleCry: "Getting ready for the future!"

Edit:woot, finally!

[Evan Waters]

Round 1
Draft Order: 4
Team: The Forever People
Initial Concept: "Teen Titans" and "The X-Men" meets "Moulin Rouge" and "Xanadu".
First Pick:

Maxwell Lord!

http://www.mykey3000.com/cosmicteams/microheroes/_misc/maxlord.gif

(This is a Supporting Cast choice, but Daz Florp recommended I make it here- and it is important to my concept.)

Base: Club Parnassus in Venice Beach, CA.

This is the semi-good but unscrupulous Max Lord of the JLI days (sans the nosebleed power- for now...). Recently having been burned on a bad satellite communications deal, Lord has decided to invest in a small project, a humble music club close to Venice's artistic community. Little does he know the strange clientele it's going to attract...

[Fenris07]

Quick question. How do you transfer a picture to this thread.? I'm not very Internet savvy.

[Evan Waters]

Quick question. How do you transfer a picture to this thread.? I'm not very Internet savvy.

It has to already be on another Internet site (I don't think you can upload attachments)- click the icon that looks like a picture in a frame (next to the globe), and it'll tell you to input the URL where the image is. The function will put that URL in IMG tags, thus linking it right to the threads.

(I stumbled around a bit looking for pics of Max before coming across the same "micro heroes" site everyone else seems to be using.)

[Evan Waters]

A musing on another pick, some ways off (if the character doesn't get nabbed first)- can we do much tweaking of origins? There's one character in the Marvelverse whose attitude makes a good fit for the team, but is a mutant canonically.

EDIT: And whilst I'm making unreasonable demands, can the Infinity Man be a freebie? He'd put me over 7 as I've got it worked out, and I'm not sure he'd be useful to anyone outside of the concept.

EDIT THE SECOND: Come to think of it, I've thought up a workaround, but it'll require some origin tweaking. But... it could be cool.

[Robot Fury]

Quick question. How do you transfer a picture to this thread.? I'm not very Internet savvy.

Yeah, you just need the location of the image between the image tags. In your particular case I'm assuming that would be:

http://jerome.galica.free.fr/marvel/X-Men/2nd%20team/bishop/bishop5.gif

You can always do a preview post whenever you're not sure if something is right.

[Donald Stone]

Quick question. How do you transfer a picture to this thread.? I'm not very Internet savvy.Here's a pic of Bishop from the Micro Heroes site.

http://jerome.galica.free.fr/marvel/X-Men/2nd%20team/bishop/Bishop.gif

Quote my post to see how it's done.

[Fenris07]

Thanks evan!


Spiderman1fan. :)

[Fenris07]

Here's a pic of Bishop from the Micro Heroes site.

http://jerome.galica.free.fr/marvel/X-Men/2nd%20team/bishop/Bishop.gif

Quote my post to see how it's done.

I'm going with the most current costume. Thanks anyhow. I got it to work!

Edit-I'm going to sleep. See ya guys tomorrow.

[Theodore Jay Miller]

Round 1
Draft Order:5
Team: The Explorers AKA The Challengers of the Unknown
First Pick: Ted Kord, a.k.a. the Blue Beetle

http://jerome.galica.free.fr/dc%20comics/Jla/divers/BlueBeetle-Maguire.gif

My team concept is kind of a superhero think tank, made of adventurous scientists in various fields. Blue Beetle provides the group with funding from Kord Industries, and is an inventor, vehicle builder, and pilot.


Edit: Picture fixed, thanks for the assistance.

[Evan Waters]

Round 1
Draft Order:5
Team: The Explorers AKA The Challengers of the Unknown
First Pick: Ted Kord, a.k.a. the Blue Beetle

http://jerome.galica.free.fr/dc%20comics/Jla/divers/Bluebeetle/Bluebeetle-Maguire.gif

My team concept is kind of a superhero think tank, made of adventurous scientists in various fields. Blue Beetle provides the group with funding from Kord Industries, and is an inventor, vehicle builder, and pilot.


Edit: what did I do wrong with the picture?

The first "Bluebeetle" is unnecessary. I assume you're thinking of this image?

http://jerome.galica.free.fr/dc%20comics/Jla/divers/BlueBeetle-Maguire.gif

[Rhino]

:mad: Your pick completely ruins my entire concept. :mad: So now I have to start over from scratch. :mad:

[Bull]

Round 1
Draft Order: 7
Team: Teen Titans
Initial Concept: Teen Team, learning to use their powers, fight crime, and find dates.
First Pick:

Robin

(I know that Rhino has a pick before me, but he's currently rethinking his concept, and I probably won;t be back on for 12+ hours as I work third shift, so figured I'd make my pick first. If Rhino decides to choose Robin, I'll draft Speedball instead).

Base: New Titans Tower on a tiny island just off the coast of Miami, Florida

(More indepth concept and team genisis to come. Oh, and picture to come as well, when I can dig one up and am not at work.)

Bull

[Daz Florp Lebam]

Round: 1
Draft Order: 2
Team: The Justice League
Initial Concept: The world's first line of defense against invaders from other worlds, planes or dimensions.

Captain Marvel
http://jerome.galica.free.fr/dc%20comics/Jla/shazam/F7_jla_captain_marvel.gif

Base of Operations: Justice Tower, Earth's orbit

I'm leaning towards a disenchanted Captain Marvel who, after a brief stint with the Avengers, left to form a team that was more personal and more in line with his beliefs. Have some tension with the two teams maybe...

Nothing solid has hit me yet.

Ooo. Tension! Good....

[Daz Florp Lebam]

Round 1
Draft Order:2
Team: The Future Team AKA Futureshock
First Pick: Bishop



http://jerome.galica.free.fr/marvel/X-Men/2nd%20team/bishop/bishop5.gif

Base: A floating city in the middle of the nexus between time and space.

Team BattleCry: "Getting ready for the future!"

Edit:woot, finally!

That should be "Draft Order: 3"

Note to all - It might do to print out the draft order or paste it into a doc. I did!

[Daz Florp Lebam]

A musing on another pick, some ways off (if the character doesn't get nabbed first)- can we do much tweaking of origins? There's one character in the Marvelverse whose attitude makes a good fit for the team, but is a mutant canonically.

EDIT: And whilst I'm making unreasonable demands, can the Infinity Man be a freebie? He'd put me over 7 as I've got it worked out, and I'm not sure he'd be useful to anyone outside of the concept.

EDIT THE SECOND: Come to think of it, I've thought up a workaround, but it'll require some origin tweaking. But... it could be cool.

You got a problem with mutants, buddy!? Huh?!!

;)

Minor tweak on origins or background are okay, I guess. But let's not go crazy here. Creativity thrives on restrictions!

[Daz Florp Lebam]

:mad: Your pick completely ruins my entire concept. :mad: So now I have to start over from scratch. :mad:

Maybe you can work this out with Theodore Jay Miller?

[Daz Florp Lebam]

Rhino, we need something from you before we can proceed. Sorry your idea got goofed up. Ideas anyone? THE MISFIT TEAM needs your help!!!

[Phantom Stranger]

The thing, for me, about the misfit team is it's 'what's a list of fun characters that you wouldn't expect to see together'? I'm not sure how Ted would hinge them together, except possibly through the Scarab...

[Ryan Samuelson]

Rhino, we need something from you before we can proceed. Sorry your idea got goofed up. Ideas anyone? THE MISFIT TEAM needs your help!!!
Well if Blue Beetle was his lynchpin, he could always go with the character that BB was based off of and pick good old Pete Parker.

[Theodore Jay Miller]

Maybe you can work this out with Theodore Jay Miller?

The Blue Beetle was my first choice because he's kind of the lynchpin of my concept. The group's a sort of superhero think tank, geniuses in various fields brought together, and I want conflict between them and sometimes a humorous tone to it.

Blue Beetle has the qualifications to set this up, he's an inventor and has Kord Industries for funding, but with him as leader things get interesting; I can just imagine him trying to ride herd on a bunch of argumentative geniuses. Other wealthy types like Batman or Iron Man would be TOO good as leaders; they would be able to keep everyone in line. And someone like Mr. Fantastic is too good a scientist; with him around you don't need anyone else.

So I do like having Blue Beetle; I don't really know who else I could use instead of him.

[Daz Florp Lebam]

A solution for Rhino (or Theodore Jay Miller):

After the events depicted in "JLA: Earth 2" (on an alternate world known as Earth-3 in the pre-Crisis continuity, whereupon an "evil" Justice League exists), that Earth's Ted Kord, known there as The Scarab, said "Hey, I'm just an earnest-but-fun-loving scientist-adventurer. The evil JL of my world sucks. I'm going to that other Earth!", concocts some wacked out, one-shot means of coming to our Earth (making sure the device and plans for it are destroyed), and voila! - we have two! I don't have a copy of JLA: Earth 2, so there may be some interesting alternatives and details, but I do recall it being rather awesome.

Will that make people happy or annoyed?

If we do this, I will not allow any similar dulpications again (unless you buy me pie).

[budman]

That's two of my picks gone

robin 3

and CM as powerhouse

[Bull]

That's two of my picks gone

robin 3

and CM as powerhouse

Sorry! :) (Though theoretically Rhino could steal Robin if he decides to change up his idea enough... *crosses fingers*). I have 2 or three mainstream characters, and the rest of my draft is gonna be 2nd and 3rd stringers, mostly so I can mostly count on them to still be around. Plus I'm still trying to find a good mix of characters.

Unfrotunately Marvel has a severe lack of good, solid, fleshed out Teen characters. Most of the characters that were teens are grown up now (and I want to stick with current, modern age characters if I can), or the newer "class" like Runaways and New Mutants Acedmy X I just don't know the characters very well. And with the Young Avengers, well... We don;t really know any of the characters that well, nor do we know the extent of their powers. *sigh*

Bull

[suedenim]

Aren't there a whole bunch of Marvel teen-types from the various incarnations of the New Warriors?

I don't know those characters all that well myself, but I think that's part of the fun of this - learning about different characters, realizing "Hey, that one has some potential!"

For example, I just realized the other day that something simply must be done with... Taxi Taylor! (http://www.geocities.com/jjnevins/taxi.html)

[budman]

Sorry! :) (Though theoretically Rhino could steal Robin if he decides to change up his idea enough... *crosses fingers*). I have 2 or three mainstream characters, and the rest of my draft is gonna be 2nd and 3rd stringers, mostly so I can mostly count on them to still be around. Plus I'm still trying to find a good mix of characters.

Unfrotunately Marvel has a severe lack of good, solid, fleshed out Teen characters. Most of the characters that were teens are grown up now (and I want to stick with current, modern age characters if I can), or the newer "class" like Runaways and New Mutants Acedmy X I just don't know the characters very well. And with the Young Avengers, well... We don;t really know any of the characters that well, nor do we know the extent of their powers. *sigh*

Bull

No big Bull robin v3 would be my first pick every time but I have had to redo my plan and now have a much darker Team

Team: Shield- Task force X
Initial Concept:. Putting supers in the ground

[JdRavnos]

:mad: Your pick completely ruins my entire concept. :mad: So now I have to start over from scratch. :mad:

Yeah, Beetle was going to be team leader for the Slingers as well, but luckily enough I got others who I want and that'll give me time to figure out how to fill in the gaps later on.

[Daz Florp Lebam]

Sorry! :) (Though theoretically Rhino could steal Robin if he decides to change up his idea enough... *crosses fingers*). I have 2 or three mainstream characters, and the rest of my draft is gonna be 2nd and 3rd stringers, mostly so I can mostly count on them to still be around. Plus I'm still trying to find a good mix of characters.

Unfrotunately Marvel has a severe lack of good, solid, fleshed out Teen characters. Most of the characters that were teens are grown up now (and I want to stick with current, modern age characters if I can), or the newer "class" like Runaways and New Mutants Acedmy X I just don't know the characters very well. And with the Young Avengers, well... We don;t really know any of the characters that well, nor do we know the extent of their powers. *sigh*

Bull

I'd allow any of those A2 charcters, although I don't know enough about them to know if that makes any sense...

[Daz Florp Lebam]

Aren't there a whole bunch of Marvel teen-types from the various incarnations of the New Warriors?

I don't know those characters all that well myself, but I think that's part of the fun of this - learning about different characters, realizing "Hey, that one has some potential!"

For example, I just realized the other day that something simply must be done with... Taxi Taylor! (http://www.geocities.com/jjnevins/taxi.html)

I like the way you think.

[Robot Fury]

Are Cloak and Daggers adults now or what? There's also the new Scorpion, though she's brand new and nobody knows much of anything about her. There's also Gravity.

[Daz Florp Lebam]

Rhino?

You can make a pick for your Misfits team, or I suppose pick another unclaimed team, retaining your draft order, and pick based on that.

Speak!

[Phantom Stranger]

Are Cloak and Daggers adults now or what? There's also the new Scorpion, though she's brand new and nobody knows much of anything about her. There's also Gravity.

I think they're right on the edge.

Of course, this is our continuity anyway.

[Ryan Samuelson]

I think they're right on the edge.

Of course, this is our continuity anyway.
As mentioned before the timeline is going to be all over the place. I don't think anyone here has a problem with certain characters still being teenagers even though in the current books they are now adults.

[suedenim]

The comics themselves always fudge on the characters' precise ages, especially ones who are or were "teen" heroes, so I figure we can too.

(Heck, it's not even just the comics - Smallville High's graduating class of 26-year-olds, for example.... ;))

[Phantom Stranger]

The comics themselves always fudge on the characters' precise ages, especially ones who are or were "teen" heroes, so I figure we can too.

(Heck, it's not even just the comics - Smallville High's graduating class of 26-year-olds, for example.... ;))

I think the classic example is Dick Grayson and some of his contemporaries. Hasn't he demonstrably aged faster than some of them?

[Daz Florp Lebam]

A solution for Rhino (or Theodore Jay Miller):

After the events depicted in "JLA: Earth 2" (on an alternate world known as Earth-3 in the pre-Crisis continuity, whereupon an "evil" Justice League exists), that Earth's Ted Kord, known there as The Scarab, said "Hey, I'm just an earnest-but-fun-loving scientist-adventurer. The evil JL of my world sucks. I'm going to that other Earth!", concocts some wacked out, one-shot means of coming to our Earth (making sure the device and plans for it are destroyed), and voila! - we have two! I don't have a copy of JLA: Earth 2, so there may be some interesting alternatives and details, but I do recall it being rather awesome.

Will that make people happy or annoyed?

If we do this, I will not allow any similar dulpications again (unless you buy me pie).

I'm not even sure why I'm allowing this. Too nice a guy, I guess. The nature of this game is you take what you can get. The above would make two Ted's with rather different outlooks.

Wait - wasn't there a GA Blue Beetle?

(googles "blue beetle")

Yes! Dan Garret!
http://www.wonderworldcomics.com/bluebeetle/Origin.html

Might not make a difference, but there you have it.

[Fenris07]

Should I go ahead and make my second pick? or wait til everybody has a turn?

Edit-I'll wait.

[JdRavnos]

Should I go ahead and make my second pick? or wait til everybody has a turn?

Please wait.

[budman]

what will be left when I get picks 21 and 22

[Phantom Stranger]

what will be left when I get picks 21 and 22

What will be left by the time the teams are finished?

I'm absolutely certain, for example, that I won't get all four of my Top Four List...

[budman]

What will be left by the time the teams are finished?

I'm absolutely certain, for example, that I won't get all four of my Top Four List...

lost 2 big hitters right out of the box

[Son of Kirk]

Just so everyone knows, I've made TB my proxy as I probs won't be back on rpg.net until tomorrow morning (i.e: 15 hours or so).

[suedenim]

lost 2 big hitters right out of the box

I just happened to read this post on a great comics blog today, suggesting we shouldn't despair too much if our favorites are drafted too soon:


If you sent yourself a tachyon-email to about 10 years ago and told your past self that the Calculator and Cat-Man would be breakout characters of 2005, your past self would just laugh and delete it.
.
.
.

And what are DC's best writers doing lately? Ellis, Simone, Morrison, Johns, et al.; they're revitalizing existing characters from DC's stable -- it's enormous, nearly ENDLESS stable of characters. So many that DC actually *could* give away the 365 characters that Devon and I will nominate as "donations", without it causing more than a slight bump in their overall storytelling.

http://absorbascon.blogspot.com/2005/09/johnsification.html

[Corinthi]

Most of my picks have been so incredibly obscure that I'm unlikely to find cure little pics for them...although I'm sure I'll lose someone before it's all said and done.

[Phantom Stranger]

Most of my picks have been so incredibly obscure that I'm unlikely to find cure little pics for them...although I'm sure I'll lose someone before it's all said and done.

I have no idea where to even look, so...

[Robot Fury]

I have no idea where to even look, so...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_DC_Comics_characters
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Marvel_Comics_characters

Might be helpful for you.

[Ryan Samuelson]

I have no idea where to even look, so...I found some of the more obscure ones by doing a google image search with "name of character" and "micro" as the terms. Other times I ran a straight forward google serach with "name of character" and "micro heroes".

I was supprised at some of the ones I found.

[Phantom Stranger]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_DC_Comics_characters
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Marvel_Comics_characters

Might be helpful for you.

I actually meant for the little pictures...

[Robot Fury]

Yeah, I just realised that. My bad.

[suedenim]

There are a ton of comics bloggers rooting around their back issue boxes and mentioning half-forgotten characters.

One of them... well, it's a little cheesy, but in lieu of Robin, you could go with:
The Protector (http://goodcomics.blogspot.com/2005/08/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-13.html)! (Second "urban legend" of the article.)

[Phantom Stranger]

Yeah, I just realised that. My bad.

No worries.

[Phantom Stranger]

There are a ton of comics bloggers rooting around their back issue boxes and mentioning half-forgotten characters.

One of them... well, it's a little cheesy, but in lieu of Robin, you could go with:
The Protector (http://goodcomics.blogspot.com/2005/08/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-13.html)! (Second "urban legend" of the article.)

I'd love to see El Aguila get a decent workover. Not that I'll be doing that in Birds of Prey...

[Theodore Jay Miller]

Most of my picks have been so incredibly obscure that I'm unlikely to find cure little pics for them...although I'm sure I'll lose someone before it's all said and done.

I checked for my planned picks on http://jerome.galica.free.fr/ and they're all there, so mine are not too obscure. But they are mostly characters who get nominated as lamest members of their respective teams, so perhaps they won't be in big demand.

[Daz Florp Lebam]

Some extensive chaarcter lists for the comix geekitude challenged:

Marvel GA
http://www.geocities.com/ratmmjess/gaguide.html

Marvel general
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/appchara.htm

DC general
http://www.dcuguide.com/Who_Home.php

And then there’s wikipedia, as mentioned.

[Daz Florp Lebam]

It's been 9 hours since Rhino last posted (unless I'm reading things totally wrong), so let's move on to Bull and THE TEENAGE TEAM and continue from there.

[suedenim]

I checked for my planned picks on http://jerome.galica.free.fr/ and they're all there, so mine are not too obscure. But they are mostly characters who get nominated as lamest members of their respective teams, so perhaps they won't be in big demand.

There's a truly astonishing number of characters on that site, and if the character's not on *that* site, he/she might very well be on *another* "mini-heros" site. The power of massed geekery is truly a sight to behold....

* - one thing I noticed, though, is that characters on the "mini-heros" site might be *there* but not be easy to find. (Might be under "Hero X, Ally of" as opposed to "Miscellaneous Heros", for instance.

[Matt David T.]

It's been 9 hours since Rhino last posted (unless I'm reading things totally wrong), so let's move on to Bull and THE TEENAGE TEAM and continue from there.

Bull made his selection already, assuming Rhino wouldn't want it.

I think we're up to Trenchcoat Brigand if we are skipping Rhino as you've said.

[Phantom Stranger]

Round: 1
Draft Order: 8
Team: Birds of Prey
Initial Concept: Female heroes operating a professional setup on a global level.

Oracle.
http://jerome.galica.free.fr/dc%20comics/Batman/oracle/oracle_Robin.gif

Base of Operations: The Clocktower, Metropolis

[Matt David T.]

Mr. Trenchcoat, sir. When Son of Kirk said that he was making "TB" his alt, since he was at work, did he mean you, or tuberculosis?

[Phantom Stranger]

And for Son of Kirk:

Round: 1
Draft Order: 9
Team: The New Outsiders

Richard Rider, the Man called Nova

http://jerome.galica.free.fr/marvel/Avengers/warrior/Nova.gif

[Phantom Stranger]

Mr. Trenchcoat, sir. When Son of Kirk said that he was making "TB" his alt, since he was at work, did he mean you, or tuberculosis?

Yeah, sorry about that. Wasn't thinking. But now they're two separate posts, at least.

[Matt David T.]

Yeah, sorry about that. Wasn't thinking. But now they're two separate posts, at least.

No apologies necessary! :). I just like saying tuberculosis.

[Robot Fury]

Round 1
Draft 10
Team Name: The Wild Squad.
Initial Concept: A mercenary team put together by Silver Sable to discreetly eliminate a global criminal and terrorist threat that's made its base in the jungles of Madripoor. Many of the team have an unsavory history, but are still some of the best fighters money can buy.

Silver Sable

http://jerome.galica.free.fr/marvel/Spiderman/allies/SilverSable1.gif

Base of Operations: In order to support their missions, the Wild Squad has established several safehouses in the city of Madripoor, including a floor in a luxurious hotel in the Hightown.

[Corinthi]

Round: 1
Draft Order: 11
Team: Freak Legion
Initial Concept: A Band of Inhuman heroes brought together to defend humanity and face thier own demons.

Dr. Leonard Samson
http://jerome.galica.free.fr/marvel/Avengers/Hulk/docsamson/DocSamson02.gif

Base of Operations: Denver, Colorado

They're not photogenic.

They're not beloved.

They're not understood.

But sometimes they're the best hope the world has.

They're the Freak Legion.

Of course, someone had to bring this band of misfits together. Someone has to show them that they can be heroes despite the world's fears and thier own personal demons. And that someone is:

Dr. Leonard Samson

[JdRavnos]

Round: 1
Draft Order: 12
Team: The Slingers
Initial Concept: Gloryhounds, gold-diggers, and wide-eyed hero worshippers, the Slingers are trying to be the world's greatest heroes. But do they even know what a hero is?

Booster Gold

<img src=http://jerome.galica.free.fr/dc%20comics/Jla/Boostergold/BoosterGold1.gif>


Base of Operations: NY, NY

Boosters' the face man of the operation. Not really a leader, but he's handsome, charismatic, and on the same page as the Slinger's (yet to be named) benefactor.

[Daz Florp Lebam]

Bull made his selection already, assuming Rhino wouldn't want it.

I think we're up to Trenchcoat Brigand if we are skipping Rhino as you've said.

Yes, me error, Bull has Robin.

[Daz Florp Lebam]

This seems to be running smoothly.

Shameless Poser? Time for something Totally Out There!

[Matt David T.]

This seems to be running smoothly.

Shameless Poser? Time for something Totally Out There!

Ooh... 6 more before me and no one has taken either of my first two picks yet.

*shudders with anitici...............pation.*

Also, should comments like this be in some sort of "Discuss the Draft" separate thread?

[Lee Casebolt]

No big Bull robin v3 would be my first pick every time but I have had to redo my plan and now have a much darker Team

Team: Shield- Task force X
Initial Concept:. Putting supers in the ground

Just an FYI - "Shield: Task Force" is almost word-for-word my Government Team concept. Assuming, of course, we're talking about Nick Fury-led SHIELD.

[Donald Stone]

Round: 1
Draft Order: 12
Team: The Slingers
Initial Concept: Gloryhounds, gold-diggers, and wide-eyed hero worshippers, the Slingers are trying to be the world's greatest heroes. But do they even know what a hero is?

Booster Gold

<img src=http://jerome.galica.free.fr/dc%20comics/Jla/Boostergold/BoosterGold1.gif>


Base of Operations: NY, NY

Boosters' the face man of the operation. Not really a leader, but he's handsome, charismatic, and on the same page as the Slinger's (yet to be named) benefactor.When I heard the team theme he was the first one I thought of:)

[Shameless Poser]

Well if Blue Beetle was his lynchpin, he could always go with the character that BB was based off of and pick good old Pete Parker.

You got that a little backwards, actually. :)

[Shameless Poser]

Round: 1
Draft Order: 13
Team: The Metal Men
Initial Concept: Heroes who have some kind of metal-based gimmick, usually with a technological basis for their powers

IRON MAN

http://jerome.galica.free.fr/marvel/Avengers/iron%20man/IronMenBadBlood.gif

Base of Operations: "Stark West," in San Francisco, California

Shortly after an Avengers meltdown, Tony Stark thought it best to get out of the hero business and cool off for a while. The thing is that once you've put on a costume and fought crime for a while, it's very hard to stop even if your enemies will let you. After only a month of relaxation, Stark found himself going back into the hero business, but this time, he'd be in charge.

What was the worst that could happen with one of the world's greatest geniuses at the helm of a team of superheroes?

Apparently, everything...

[Ryan Samuelson]

You got that a little backwards, actually. :)Did I? I'm pretty sure Ditko created the Ted Kord Blue Beetle after he quit Marvel and stopped drawing the Amazing Spider-Man. Unless of course Ditko had been hanging on to a character concept for years before it saw print, I'm pretty sure I'm right.

Yep. Spidey - 1963
Blue Beetle -1966

[suedenim]

Round: 1
Draft Order: 14
Team: The Liberty Squadron
Re-created for a new era, because the battle against tyranny is a never-ending one!

http://jerome.galica.free.fr/marvel/Avengers/cap/CaptainAmerica-Byrne2.gif
Captain America!

Base of Operations: Blackhawk Island, somewhere in the North Atlantic!

[Ryan Samuelson]

Round: 1
Draft Order: 15
Team: The Losers
Losing the battle but winning the war.

http://ca.geocities.com/micro_heroes@rogers.com/golden_age/blue_beetle.gif
The Original Blue Beetle, Dan Garrett

I'll probably go with a combo of the Golden Age and Silver Age versions. The Golden Age chainmail suit but the Silver Age scarab and powers.

Base of Operations: Holding out in the highlands of Axis-held Latveria. Most likely having to fall back to Malta or Gibraltar.


Edited to fix the fact that spellcheck doesn't work on imaginary countries.

[Theodore Jay Miller]

Team: The Liberty Squadron
Re-created for a new era, because the battle against tyranny is a never-ending one!

Captain America!


It's a legacy team, so was Cap also the leader of the World War 2 Liberty Squadron?

[suedenim]

It's a legacy team, so was Cap also the leader of the World War 2 Liberty Squadron?

Yes, or at least a member (it's about 90% likely he was the leader of both the original and legacy teams, but I want to leave my options open a bit depending on how the draft develops.)

[Shameless Poser]

Yep. Spidey - 1963
Blue Beetle -1966

Huh?

I could have sworn that Ted predated Peter by a few years... I must have gotten my dates backwards. A thousand pardons, please.

[Ryan Samuelson]

Huh?

I could have sworn that Ted predated Peter by a few years... I must have gotten my dates backwards. A thousand pardons, please.
Don't worry about it. The only reason I so sure of myself was that I was researching the GA BB online and Comics 101 (http://www.moviepoopshoot.com/comics101/127.html) just covered that topic last week.

[Orochi]

I'm going out for a bit, and since the draft is progressing quickly, I'll make Robot Fury my proxy if my pick comes up.

[suedenim]

Just to put on my "tiresome pedant" beret for a moment, the proper spellings for a couple recent things:

"Doc Samson"
"Latveria"

[Ryan Samuelson]

"Latveria"
In my defense, I hadn't had a costumer all day until I started to post my pick. I got to "Team" and wouldn't you know it - someone pops their head into my office looking for help. I'll fix it right now.

[Rhino]

I am not installing a set time limit on how long we’ll wait for a drafter to draft a hero. Granted, we all want to draft, but even super heroes have to sleep sometime. That includes me!



It's been 9 hours since Rhino last posted (unless I'm reading things totally wrong), so let's move on to Bull and THE TEENAGE TEAM and continue from there.


Nice to see we're sticking so closely to the rules. :mad:

Now, if I'd come up with an idea that made it where I needed Robin, or Iron Man, or anyone else who was picked after me, I get to look like a total dick. Thanks.

[Corinthi]

Nice to see we're sticking so closely to the rules. :mad:

Now, if I'd come up with an idea that made it where I needed Robin, or Iron Man, or anyone else who was picked after me, I get to look like a total dick. Thanks.

Sorry, Rhino. If you need Doc Samson, I've a backup. :)

Not that I expect you to take me up on the offer. Leonard isn't in high demand these days.

[Corinthi]

Just to put on my "tiresome pedant" beret for a moment, the proper spellings for a couple recent things:

"Doc Samson"
"Latveria"

Edited the last name, but I'm keeping the Dr. part for now.

Thanks, never actually noticed that spelling before.

[Daz Florp Lebam]

Nice to see we're sticking so closely to the rules. :mad:

Now, if I'd come up with an idea that made it where I needed Robin, or Iron Man, or anyone else who was picked after me, I get to look like a total dick. Thanks.

I stick by my decision. 9 hours is a LONG TIME. You could have PMed me with picks. Of course, if you want someone who was taken since your turn, talk to the drafter who took them. Nothing much else can be done about it. You retain your place in the order. Speak up now if you want someone!

I'm not sure how any of this makes you look like a total dick.

Jump in the game, effendi!

[Corinthi]

In all fairness, 9 hours is a long time, when you're conscious and ready to post. It's not a long time when you take into account things like say... sleeping or working somewhere without net access.

[Shameless Poser]

Don't worry about it. The only reason I so sure of myself was that I was researching the GA BB online and Comics 101 (http://www.moviepoopshoot.com/comics101/127.html) just covered that topic last week.

I'm just flat-out embarassed, though. I mean, I own this

http://www.moviepoopshoot.com/comics101/images/2005/aug17/ditkobb2.jpg

so I should have known better. :o

[Rhino]

I stick by my decision. 9 hours is a LONG TIME.

You said no time limit. Is there anything else in the original rules that is now no longer true?



You could have PMed me with picks.


What would I have PMed you with? I specifically said that my entire concept was ruined and that I would have to start over from scratch. That means having to restart from ground zero with an entirely new concept, either one that falls under "misfits" or having to switch to one of the dregs leftover, and then trying to think of a group of possible picks who might fit with it. I spent two hours trying to think of a new team idea and not a single one was half as good as the one I had.

I'm not sure how any of this makes you look like a total dick.

Because now if I come up with an idea that needs Babs or Iron Man (all people with handicaps) or Captain America or Booster Gold (all anochronisms), I have to go and steal someone else's already anounced pick.

[Matt David T.]

You said no time limit. Is there anything else in the original rules that is now no longer true?


He actually said no "set" time limit, which I assumed to mean that the time limit would be implemented on a case by case basis.

The fact that you were around, online, able to draft, and weren't because you didn't get your picks for a long time, I believe is why he chose to move on.


What would I have PMed you with? I specifically said that my entire concept was ruined and that I would have to start over from scratch. That means having to restart from ground zero with an entirely new concept, either one that falls under "misfits" or having to switch to one of the dregs leftover, and then trying to think of a group of possible picks who might fit with it. I spent two hours trying to think of a new team idea and not a single one was half as good as the one I had.


I kind of think that's the point of a draft. You don't necessarily get who you want. You gotta suck it up, and move on - Besides, Bull said you could have Robin if you wanted him and put out a backup. Corinthi did too - If you want to go with either of those concepts, then go ahead and contact those folks via PM - Either way, the game continues.

[Evan Waters]

You said no time limit. Is there anything else in the original rules that is now no longer true?


He said no *set* time limit. There's a difference- he still kept discretion about when to move on.

Look- if you're having trouble reforming a concept, we all can help. Obviously it has to be yours, but a bit of brainstorming- ideally for a concept that's not dependent on any specific character(s)- would help speed up the creative process. (For example, the Giffen/De Matteis Justice League concept was first set up without any idea of who DC would be handing them- the actual composition was being decided in LEGENDS, which wasn't done yet- so Giffen and the editor came up with an idea that didn't depend on anybody specific being there, focusing on the League itself as a place where supers could be themselves and so on.)

EDIT: You've specifically got the Misfit team. There's a continuum there, from serious outcasts (The Outsiders) to out-and-out comedy (the Great Lakes Avengers), and I think the "second-tier" characters in both universes, or the less-than-popular ones, would be inclined to band together- they don't need much pretense. If the Justice League and the Avengers are like the Ivy League, your team could be the equivalent of a community college.

Is the problem specifically where they get their funding and support? How badly do they need it? Could their lack of patronage be made into a feature of the concept?

[Donald Stone]

I kind of think that's the point of a draft. You don't necessarily get who you want. You gotta suck it up, and move onThis is true. I've already lost Cap, who was vital to my concept along with Wonder Woman. Now I've got to come up with something else.

[Matt David T.]

This is true. I've already lost Cap, who was vital to my concept along with Wonder Woman. Now I've got to come up with something else.

Captain America was important for mine too... :p

He was going to represent Sweden in the International Team.

Or maybe America. ;) Either way, I've got ideas to work around it.

EDIT: It's Lee Casebolt's government's turn right now, right, with the addendum that Rhino can chime in whenever? I highly doubt the people between Lee and me will take my second choice, but Lee very well might...

OOOH... I'm so nervous!

[Shameless Poser]

I'll merrily give up Iron Man, if it helps any. I just need Tony Stark for a guest appearance and to hand off Stark West to the Metal Men at some point in the first issue.

[Rhino]

Hell with it. This is no longer remotely fun, and is unlikely to ever be. So I'm out.

What would've been my team:

http://jerome.galica.free.fr/dc%20comics/Jla/divers/BlueBeetle-Maguire.gifhttp://jerome.galica.free.fr/marvel/Avengers/hawkeye/Hawkeye6-Clint%20Barton.gifhttp://jerome.galica.free.fr/dc%20comics/youngjustice/Spoiler.gifhttp://jerome.galica.free.fr/marvel/X-Men/New%20Mutant/Cypher.gifhttp://jerome.galica.free.fr/dc%20comics/Jla/divers/Firestorm1.gifhttp://jerome.galica.free.fr/dc%20comics/Jla/divers/Ice.gif

Maybe eventually someone will figure out what two things they all have in common and why I needed Blue Beatle and could not in any way, shape or form replace him.

[Evan Waters]

Well, I think they're all dead, but that's a deep well to draw from.

[Daz Florp Lebam]

In all fairness, 9 hours is a long time, when you're conscious and ready to post. It's not a long time when you take into account things like say... sleeping or working somewhere without net access.

Yes, but I've gotten PM pick lists from people who were concerned that they MIGHT POSSIBLY not be able to post when their turn comes around. If I went with the 12 hours from the opriginal thread, we could wind up with a situation where it takes 1 week and a half to get through one round. Unlikely, yes, but we do have 21 teams to get through.

[Daz Florp Lebam]

He actually said no "set" time limit, which I assumed to mean that the time limit would be implemented on a case by case basis.

The fact that you were around, online, able to draft, and weren't because you didn't get your picks for a long time, I believe is why he chose to move on.



I kind of think that's the point of a draft. You don't necessarily get who you want. You gotta suck it up, and move on - Besides, Bull said you could have Robin if you wanted him and put out a backup. Corinthi did too - If you want to go with either of those concepts, then go ahead and contact those folks via PM - Either way, the game continues.

That's pretty much what I was gonna say.

[Daz Florp Lebam]

I suspect that anything I have to say about the Rhino sitch would just make matters worse.

Lee Casebolt - tells us: who works for da man?

[Evan Waters]

I'll say one thing for this business, it's convinced me to find quick substitutes for all of the original Forever People- I was thinking when I picked that team that they wouldn't be in demand, but just in case...

[Matt David T.]

I'll say one thing for this business, it's convinced me to find quick substitutes for all of the original Forever People- I was thinking when I picked that team that they wouldn't be in demand, but just in case...

Yep, pretty much an important step to take.

Another is not having a concept completely hinged on any one individual, or worse, group of individuals - Be effortlessly malleable, OR, pick at random some favorites of yours then pick your theme based on who you got.

You go into super-battle with the team you have, not necessarily the team you want :).

[Bobaloo]

After watching the last couple of comics drafts, and being involved is sports fantasy drafts, I would say "Keep an open mind." My concepts are open and flexible, in order that losing one or two characters won't ruin my concept. Of course, the flip side of that is that my concept isn't rock solid yet, but that's why I took a "B-list" team.

I'm also ready to go once Lee Casebolt drafts. (Has anybody PMed him? Usually very effective.) I do go into a meeting (and then leave work) in about an hour, but I'll PM DFL before that.

[Orochi]

I'm back, and I've got picks ready as well as soon as we get rolling again.

[Matt David T.]

I'm back, and I've got picks ready as well as soon as we get rolling again.
I'm ready after Orochi goes, just an FYI :).

I'll hopefully still be ready after the four picks between me and my 2nd pick as well ;).

[Gilok]

I'm good to go too. Now where's Lee?

[Daz Florp Lebam]

He's pretty much the only one I haven't heard from. I just PMed him, though...

Y'know, it just occurred to me that I should have claimed a team! Hmm...

[Matt David T.]

He's pretty much the only one I haven't heard from. I just PMed him, though...

Y'know, it just occurred to me that I should have claimed a team! Hmm...

Unless anyone's claimed them, (check your PMs) I suggest you take Misfits and make a selection right now.

Just make sure at the END of your post you mention to Mr. Lee Casebolt that it's still his turn :).

EDIT: And make sure you don't take my second choice! ;)

[Megamanfan]

Rhino quit so take his spot and pick a team.

[Ryan Samuelson]

Since we are getting towards the end of the first round, I thought I'd go ahead and post the order for Round 2 (going with the reverse order idea).


1. THE FIELD AGENTS: “budman”

2. THE EXTREME SPIN-OFF TEAM: “Gilok”

3. THE INTERNATIONAL TEAM: “Matt David T.”

4. THE PARANORMAL TEAM: “Orochi”

5. THE REGIONAL SPIN-OFF TEAM: “Bobaloo”

6. THE GOVERNMENT SUPER TEAM: “Lee Casebolt”

7. THE GOLDEN AGE TEAM: “Ryan Samuelson”

8. THE LEGACY TEAM: “suedenim”

9. THE TOTALLY OUT THERE CONCEPT TEAM: “Shameless Poser”

10. THE CELEBRITY TEAM: “JdRavnos”

11. THE MONSTER TEAM: “Corinthi”

12. THE MERCENARY TEAM: “Robot Fury”

13. THE GROWN-UP TEEN TEAM: Son of Kirk.

14. THE ALL-FEMALE TEAM: Trenchcoat Brigand

15. THE TEENAGE TEAM: “Bull”

16. THE MISFIT TEAM: ???

17. THE EXPLORERS TEAM: “Theodore Jay Miller”

18. THE FOREVER PEOPLE: "Evan Waters"

19. THE FUTURE TEAM: “Spiderman1fan”

20. JL: “Megamanfan”

21. THE AVENGERS: “Donald Stone”

[Bobaloo]

I PMed a list to Daz Florp Lebam of picks that should cover rounds 1 and 2 (I don't know how soon I'll be back online.)

[Phantom Stranger]

Yeah, the one thing that worries me potentially about this time limit is knowing I'll be signing off soon for the night, and it might last nine hours or more...

[Matt David T.]

Yeah, the one thing that worries me potentially about this time limit is knowing I'll be signing off soon for the night, and it might last nine hours or more...

Well, again, 9 hours isn't a set-limit. Either way, I'd PM Daz with your first pick, or incase you think that'll get picked, your second, or if you think that might get snapped up too, your third :).

[Phantom Stranger]

Well, again, 9 hours isn't a set-limit. Either way, I'd PM Daz with your first pick, or incase you think that'll get picked, your second, or if you think that might get snapped up too, your third :).

I may well. But I'm also SoK's second, and I'm not necessarily going to help him (though within nine hours he'll be at work)... and his second choice, I'd suspect, will be gone fairly speedily...

[Matt David T.]

I may well. But I'm also SoK's second, and I'm not necessarily going to help him (though within nine hours he'll be at work)... and his second choice, I'd suspect, will be gone fairly speedily...

That was a hint about his second choice wasn't it?!

It's FLASH, isn't it?!

Seriously though, as long as you're not in the thread talking about not getting your picks while peeps are waiting, I'm guessing no one will skip you - Or if they do, they'll extend the same courtesy they did to Rhino, that you could grab one of the heroes they jumped on in your absence (within reason.)

[Robot Fury]

Yeah, the one thing that worries me potentially about this time limit is knowing I'll be signing off soon for the night, and it might last nine hours or more...

I don't think it's all that much of a problem, so long as you don't post without announcing a pick when it's your turn, then expect everybody to wait half a day for you to show up again in the hopes you'll get around to it. I would have argued against skipping Rhino otherwise.

[Phantom Stranger]

That was a hint about his second choice wasn't it?!

It's FLASH, isn't it?!


Well, no and no. But yeah... I guess I can view it that way. I just hope I'm back online nine hours from my final update tonight... But I kinda see that as unlikely. We'll see...

[Matt David T.]

Well, no and no. But yeah... I guess I can view it that way. I just hope I'm back online nine hours from my final update tonight... But I kinda see that as unlikely. We'll see...

It's been almost five hours since Lee's been up, and we haven't skipped him yet! :). I wouldn't worry about it.

[Daz Florp Lebam]

In Rhino's case, it was well over 9 hours before we heard from him again, with narry a PM or proxy. Nearly everyone else has been prompt and/or PMed me or chosen a proxy. We can't wait as long as previous drafts might have, since we have about twice as many teams as they had!

[Lee Casebolt]

Sorry, ladies and gents. Stuck at work without internet access. Without further ado...

ROUND 1
TEAM: SHEILD: Elite Task Force (Nick Fury's collective aces in the hole; they get the jobs even SHIELD agents don't want)

HOME: The Triskelion, NY, NY.

FIRST PICK: (And I am sad that I'm too inept to do the little picture thingy)

Wolverine.

Thematically, I'm looking at a group that sits somewhere between The Ultimates and th Batman family. It's a gritty, ugly world, and they work for people who may not be all shiny and perfect (Is Lex President? I think he should be), so they have to get their hands dirty while trying to stay on the right side of their collective consciences.

[Daz Florp Lebam]

(Is Lex President? I think he should be)

That'd be cool...then again, it's our universe, so we could pick someone else to be a nefarious (or virtuous) president. Ideas? The Kingpin? Perhaps some Golden Age or Silver Age hero?

[Megamanfan]

What about the X-Men? Brotherhood? Non-existant?

[Daz Florp Lebam]

What about the X-Men? Brotherhood? Non-existant?

I'm not sure what your asking...noone has picked the X-Men as a team - although I suppose one of the teams which has yet to acquire a first member could be mutant-centric.

[Daz Florp Lebam]

(posted from bobaloo's PM)

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Round 1
Pick 17
WEST COAST AVENGERS
"The Regional Spinoff Team": The Avengers are bi-coastal, Baby! (Of course a decent handful of other teams seem to have staked out Western locations...I'm thinking CROSSOVER!)

The Incredible Hulk


An Original Avenger, and nobody's more "West Coast" than the desert dweller himself, The Incredible Hulk. (I'm probably going with a less savage Hulk, but I'll see how the rest of my team develops)

Relocated to Sunny Phoenix, Arizona. (More details forthcoming, again, dependent on picks.)

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Orochi (or Robot Fury) - your up! Show us the weird!

[Robot Fury]

Here's Orochi's pick. I'll let him fill in the details himself.

Round 1
Draft Order 18

Dr. Strange

http://jerome.galica.free.fr/marvel/Drstrange/DoctorStrange-Byrne.gif

[Orochi]

Here's Orochi's pick. I'll let him fill in the details himself.

Round 1
Draft Order 18

Dr. Strange

http://jerome.galica.free.fr/marvel/Drstrange/DoctorStrange-Byrne.gif

To fill in, since that is indeed my pick.

Round: 1
Draft Order: 18
Team: The Nightstalkers
Initial concept: There are mystic forces at work, and only those steeped in magic themselves can hope to stop them.

Pick: As given, Dr. Stephen Strange, Sorcerer Supreme of Earth

Base of Operations: Primarily Dr. Strange's mansion/sanctum in Manhattan.

[Megamanfan]

Damn, you took Strange...damn you...;)

[Orochi]

Damn, you took Strange...damn you...;)

Oh, I am, but it has nothing to do with that pick.

And besides, Strange made that team originally. It wouldn't be fair to leave him out now.

[Shameless Poser]

An Original Avenger, and nobody's more "West Coast" than the desert dweller himself, The Incredible Hulk. (I'm probably going with a less savage Hulk, but I'll see how the rest of my team develops)


You SO need to go the Joe Fixit route with him.

[Matt David T.]

Guess it's me...

Round: 1

Draft Order: 19

The International Justice Guardians

A super-powered team sponsored by and organized by the United Nations, designed to usher in a new era of goodwill between the member nations.

Leading this brave new force, and representing the United States of America:

Superman

http://home.comcast.net/~msturnbull/pictures/superman-longhair.gif

Their base of operations: The Fortress of Solitude, in the Arctic Circle, rebuilt with teleporter technology from the Justice League Watchtower (if Megaman Fan lets me.)

[Megamanfan]

Their base of operations: The Fortress of Solitude, in the Arctic Circle, rebuilt with teleporter technology from the Justice League Watchtower (if Megaman Fan lets me.)

Sure, go for it. As long as you get rid of hippie Superman!

;)

[Daz Florp Lebam]

Guess it's me...

Round: 1

Draft Order: 19

The International Justice Guardians

A super-powered team sponsored by and organized by the United Nations, designed to usher in a new era of goodwill between the member nations.

Leading this brave new force, and representing the United States of America:

Superman

http://home.comcast.net/~msturnbull/pictures/superman-longhair.gif

Their base of operations: The Fortress of Solitude, in the Arctic Circle, rebuilt with teleporter technology from the Justice League Watchtower (if Megaman Fan lets me.)


Weird that noone picked Supes til now, huh?

I'm sure Supes has friends in *ahem* high places...

[Matt David T.]

Sure, go for it. As long as you get rid of hippie Superman!

;)

NOT GONNA HAPPEN! THE MULLET LIVES ON BABY! YEAH! :D

[Matt David T.]

Did Gilok PM anyone his picks? I mean, we'll wait and all. I'm just curious :).

[Donald Stone]

Weird that noone picked Supes til now, huh?

I'm sure Supes has friends in *ahem* high places...In the DC draft Superman didn't get picked till the last or next to last round.

[Matt David T.]

In the DC draft Superman didn't get picked till the last or next to last round.

Yeah, he was actually my second choice for the U.S. hero - I wanted Captain America :).

[Gilok]

Sorry, I left. I'm back now.

My number one pick got taken, damn you Lee. So, my number two pick and team leader for the as yet unnamed Extreme Spin-Off Team is...

Batman

http://www.geocities.com/amazing_tales/micros/batman1.gif

I'll present more details as soon as I have stuff worked out.

[Matt David T.]

So, just so I'm understanding things...

Budman goes twice in a row next, then Gilok, then me, then so on and so forth?

Sounds right to me.

[Robot Fury]

Yep.

[Ryan Samuelson]

In the DC draft Superman didn't get picked till the last or next to last round.Looks like all the heavy hitters are going in the first round this time. Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Captain Marvel, Captain America, Hulk, Ironman, Dr. Strange, Wolverine.

Cool they should be first rounders.

[Daz Florp Lebam]

budman PMed me, so...

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Round 1
pick order 21

concept: THE FIELD AGENTS

Nick Fury!

and, to start off the next round:

Round 2

Deathstroke! (if the money is good, he'll do the job)

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now, back to you, Gilok! Who walks the EXTREME! walk with Batman?

[Fenris07]

Can't wait til second draft. Who's next? :)

[Evan Waters]

It's started already. Gilok's up.

[Matt David T.]

Can't wait til second draft. Who's next? :)

Round two has begun, and Gilok is up :).

EDIT:
Evan = Quick like ninja.

[Gilok]

My next pick will be...

the Punisher

[Evan Waters]

Round two has begun, and Gilok is up :).

EDIT:
Evan = Quick like ninja.

I can't wait either. It's fun! It'll be so cool when these teams have filled out.

[Matt David T.]

Round: 2

Draft Order: 19

The International Justice Guardians

A super-powered team sponsored by and organized by the United Nations, designed to usher in a new era of goodwill between the member nations.

Representing Merry Old England, none other than Captain Britain (the new one, Kelsey Leigh):
http://home.comcast.net/~msturnbull/pictures/CaptainBritain.gif

Their base of operations: The Fortress of Solitude, in the Arctic Circle, rebuilt with teleporter technology from the Justice League Watchtower.

[Daz Florp Lebam]

My next pick will be...

the Punisher

Woah. Mr. No Guns (Batman) and Mr. Guns!

[Orochi]

Round: 2
Draft Number: 18

The Nightstalker's second pick is a two in one, so to speak.

Jason Blood
http://jerome.galica.free.fr/dc%20comics/divers/jasonblood.GIF

Also known as...
http://jerome.galica.free.fr/dc%20comics/divers/Demon.gif
Etrigan

Whatever's happening, it's trying to loosen magical rituals, including the one binding Etrigan to Jason Blood. As much as he wants to be rid of the demon, Blood doesn't want to let Etrigan run free. Thus, he has joined forces with Dr. Strange to investigate.

[Gilok]

Woah. Mr. No Guns (Batman) and Mr. Guns!

The idea I'm going forward with is Batman attempting to gather lethal and otherwise difficult to control "heroes" and trying to channel them towards justice while keeping their lethality in check. To that end, he dispatches them on covert and shadowy missions that the more traditional hero teams can't/won't do.

[Matt David T.]

The idea I'm going forward with is Batman attempting to gather lethal and otherwise difficult to control "heroes" and trying to channel them towards justice while keeping their lethality in check. To that end, he dispatches them on covert and shadowy missions that the more traditional hero teams can't/won't do.

That's AWESOME.

Man... My storyline is much more straightforward and classical. Ah well.

EDIT: My point being, yours is cool and I wish I'd gone a more interesting route.

[Megamanfan]

Yea Gilok, thanks for making us all look bad! :p

[Bobaloo]

Woo-hoo, I got my no. 1! (Joe Fixit is absolutely a possibility)

My round 2 pick actually differs from my second choice in my PM to DFL

Round 2
Pick 17 (descending)
Angel, Warren Worthington III. Going back to the west and bankrolling the WCA op. (Also apparently reclaiming an old name.)

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a14/bobmungovan/Hulk02.gifhttp://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a14/bobmungovan/Angel09.gif

[Daz Florp Lebam]

Lee Casebolt PMed me...

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Round 2
#16
(The Government Super Team)

http://www.geocities.com/newwarriorshq/micros/wolverine-newxmen.gifhttp://www.torgelfi.com/images/micro/nightwing.gif

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Next up: Ryan Samuelson's GOLDEN AGE TEAM!!!

[Ryan Samuelson]

Yahoo! I can finally go to bed.

Round: 2
Draft Order: 15
Team: The Losers

http://ca.geocities.com/micro_heroes@rogers.com/golden_age/quicksilver.gif
I pick Quicksilver A.K.A Max Mercury

Not sure if I'm going to go more with the original design or Waid's remake yet. Most likely some mix of the 2.

[Daz Florp Lebam]

suedenim told me...

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Round 2
#14
THE LEGACY TEAM

first Cap, now:

Lady Blackhawk
(good luck finding a micro hero of her!)

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next up is Shameless Poser, #13. Who will be the next Metal Man?

[Fenris07]

I'm going to bed too. Yawn. Good night.

[Evan Waters]

suedenim told me...

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Round 2
#14
THE LEGACY TEAM

first Cap, now:

Lady Blackhawk
(good luck finding a micro hero of her!)


http://www.lilithvonsilver.com/dolls/micro/images/LvSlbh3.gif

[Daz Florp Lebam]

http://www.lilithvonsilver.com/dolls/micro/images/LvSlbh3.gif

It's official - there is nothing that cannot be found on the internet.

[Megamanfan]

I'm going to bed but I should be back in time for my pick.

[Daz Florp Lebam]

Bed good.

I'll be back whenever my son wakes up.

[budman]

budman PMed me, so...

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Round 1
pick order 21

concept: THE FIELD AGENTS

Nick Fury!

and, to start off the next round:

Round 2

Deathstroke! (if the money is good, he'll do the job)

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now, back to you, Gilok! Who walks the EXTREME! walk with Batman?

Yes I got both My one eyed old bastards

[Phantom Stranger]

Well, you'll have to wait on SoK for his pick now, though he should be around - Nightwing was his number 2...

[budman]

I just figured out I will get first pick of villains

SWEET

[Son of Kirk]

Curses! I lost Nightwing. I knew I should have gone for him first but the talk in the other thread about the New Warriors panicked me.

Curse my fearful mind! :D

Hmm, my second pick then, is (drumroll......) Arsenal.

[budman]

Curses! I lost Nightwing. I knew I should have gone for him first but the talk in the other thread about the New Warriors panicked me.

Curse my fearful mind! :D

Hmm, my second pick then, is (drumroll......) Arsenal.

bugger that's 3 I have lost

[Son of Kirk]

bugger that's 3 I have lost

That's why I like the idea of this game so much, not only do you have fun seeing your own plans dashed against the rocks of misfortune, but you get to dash the plans of those around you! :p

[suedenim]

It's official - there is nothing that cannot be found on the internet.

There are actually at least *five* Lady Blackhawk micro-heros on the Internet - the one below is my preferred one:

Round: 2
Draft Order: 14
Team: The Liberty Squadron
Re-created for a new era, because the battle against tyranny is a never-ending one!

http://jerome.galica.free.fr/marvel/Avengers/cap/CaptainAmerica-Byrne2.gifhttp://jerome.galica.free.fr/dc%20comics/miniseries/LadyBlackhawk.gif
Captain America!
Lady Blackhawk!

Base of Operations: Blackhawk Island, somewhere in the North Atlantic!

[budman]

That's why I like the idea of this game so much, not only do you have fun seeing your own plans dashed against the rocks of misfortune, but you get to dash the plans of those around you! :p

he was pick no 5 no big

[Son of Kirk]

Round: 2
Team: The New Outsiders
Once they were Teen Heroes, now they seek to find a place for themselves in the grown-up world!

http://jerome.galica.free.fr/marvel/Avengers/warrior/Nova.gif

[Lee Casebolt]

bugger that's 3 I have lost

Tell me about it. Fury, Oracle, and Arsenal gone, and we're only in round two. Oracle and Arsenal particularly hurt, since my DC-fu is weak. And of course, it's gonna be weird having a SHIELD book without Fury.

But I shall overcome!!

Or, you know, not. We'll see. :D

[Fenris07]

I'm going to post mine early, because I have to go to class all day.

Futureteam
Round 2
Draft Order:3
Next Draft, Spidergirl

http://jerome.galica.free.fr/marvel/Avengers/anext/Spidergirl.gif



http://jerome.galica.free.fr/marvel/X-Men/2nd%20team/bishop/bishop5.gif

Bishop and Spidergirl

[Corinthi]

Round: 2
Draft Number: 18

The Nightstalker's second pick is a two in one, so to speak.

Jason Blood
http://jerome.galica.free.fr/dc%20comics/divers/jasonblood.GIF

Also known as...
http://jerome.galica.free.fr/dc%20comics/divers/Demon.gif
Etrigan


Damn. I /knew/ I should have drafted him in the first round. He was the closest to a high profile want I had.

[Bull]

I'm going to post mine early, because I have to go to class all day.

Futureteam
Round 2
Draft Order:3
Next Draft, Spidergirl

Well good, that removes my temptation of breaking my personal rule about "Only current, modern heroes", because Spidergirl would have been the one I break it for :)

BTW, anyone have any good Micro sites? I must have spent about 3 hours yesterday looking for a good Tim Drake Robin, but all I could find was Dick Grayson Robin. :/

Bull

[JdRavnos]

Err did we get out of order here? How did it jump from suedenim to Son of Kirk?

And Spiderman1fan, if you want to set up a choice ahead of schedule, please PM Daz, because someone ahead of you might have wished to have picked your choice.

[budman]

BTW, anyone have any good Micro sites? I must have spent about 3 hours yesterday looking for a good Tim Drake Robin, but all I could find was Dick Grayson Robin. :/

Bull

the site on the first page has 13 or so of him

[Orochi]

Damn. I /knew/ I should have drafted him in the first round. He was the closest to a high profile want I had.

I hear you man. I was worried someone might snatch him, to the point that I almost took him first round. Now I get to worry if my 3 and 4 picks will get taken...

[Son of Kirk]

Err did we get out of order here? How did it jump from suedenim to Son of Kirk?

And Spiderman1fan, if you want to set up a choice ahead of schedule, please PM Daz, because someone ahead of you might have wished to have picked your choice.

I thought it was my pick? Bit confused now, sorry if I'm out of order though, that means Arsenal is back in play!

[Son of Kirk]

I thought it was my pick? Bit confused now, sorry if I'm out of order though, that means Arsenal is back in play!

No, I think I am in the clear, page 12 has the round two order and says it is in reverse.

[budman]

spot on sok

[suedenim]

No, I think I am in the clear, page 12 has the round two order and says it is in reverse.

It's in reverse of what we did in round 1, but page 12 lists the correct order for round 2, in order:


8. THE LEGACY TEAM: “suedenim”

9. THE TOTALLY OUT THERE CONCEPT TEAM: “Shameless Poser”

10. THE CELEBRITY TEAM: “JdRavnos”

11. THE MONSTER TEAM: “Corinthi”

12. THE MERCENARY TEAM: “Robot Fury”

13. THE GROWN-UP TEEN TEAM: Son of Kirk.


So by my reckoning, we skipped over 9-12.

[suedenim]

On "micro heroes," this site and the ones it links to seem to have some guys who can't be found on the .fr site:

http://www.geocities.com/microheroes/Avengers.html

[JdRavnos]

Yeah, near as I can tell we're still waiting for Shameless Poser.

[Phantom Stranger]

Tell me about it. Fury, Oracle, and Arsenal gone, and we're only in round two. Oracle and Arsenal particularly hurt, since my DC-fu is weak. And of course, it's gonna be weird having a SHIELD book without Fury.


You've always got Sharon Carter or Dum-Dum Dugan.

As for Oracle... she was the closest I had to a necessity. Now I've got her, we're back to 'female heroes I personally find cool', which is a damn big list.

I'm a little surprised no one commented on my basing them out of Metropolis... But in this reality, Jim Gordon didn't move to Gotham...

[suedenim]

You've always got Sharon Carter or Dum-Dum Dugan.


Yeah, remember, Dugan was trusted enough not only to lead his own operations, but to lead the operation against this guy (http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/godzilla.htm), which is a pretty enormous undertaking!

[Son of Kirk]

It's in reverse of what we did in round 1, but page 12 lists the correct order for round 2, in order:



So by my reckoning, we skipped over 9-12.

Right, I see, didn't quite get that.

Arsenal is back in play it seems.

[Robot Fury]

Ach, what a mess.

It is indeed Shameless Poser's turn. Arsenal is still available, as is Spidergirl.

Spiderman1fan, if you're going to make your picks when it's far from your turn, please just send Daz Florp Lebam a private message with what you want? It'll help keep people from getting confused.

[Daz Florp Lebam]

There are actually at least *five* Lady Blackhawk micro-heros on the Internet - the one below is my preferred one:

Round: 2
Draft Order: 14
Team: The Liberty Squadron
Re-created for a new era, because the battle against tyranny is a never-ending one!

http://jerome.galica.free.fr/marvel/Avengers/cap/CaptainAmerica-Byrne2.gifhttp://jerome.galica.free.fr/dc%20comics/miniseries/LadyBlackhawk.gif
Captain America!
Lady Blackhawk!

Base of Operations: Blackhawk Island, somewhere in the North Atlantic!

Your Google-fu is obviously greater than mine.

Or maybe it was just late.

[Daz Florp Lebam]

I'm going to post mine early, because I have to go to class all day.

Futureteam
Round 2
Draft Order:3
Next Draft, Spidergirl

http://jerome.galica.free.fr/marvel/Avengers/anext/Spidergirl.gif



http://jerome.galica.free.fr/marvel/X-Men/2nd%20team/bishop/bishop5.gif

Bishop and Spidergirl

It doesn't quite work that way, but duly noted fro when your turn comes around. Hopefully noone before you has plans for her!

[Daz Florp Lebam]

Err did we get out of order here? How did it jump from suedenim to Son of Kirk?

And Spiderman1fan, if you want to set up a choice ahead of schedule, please PM Daz, because someone ahead of you might have wished to have picked your choice.

He was just posting a pic of his first round pick!

[Daz Florp Lebam]

Yeah, near as I can tell we're still waiting for Shameless Poser.

Yes. We are.

Shameless indeed!

I officially have two cool/silly ideas for a team of my own. Either THE SPACE POLICE (you'll never guess my base of ops!), or, uh, THE AS-YET-UNDEFINED TEAM. I may very well jump in when Rhino's slot comes around...

[suedenim]

BTW, here are some resources I found with details on some of the more obscure "historical" Marvel characters. Hard to find, so I figure I'd put these out there for anybody else who's interested:

V-Battalion (http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Portal/5275/vbattalion.html)
Marvel: the Lost Generation (http://www.geocities.com/ratmmjess/lost.html)

One thing I'm finding somewhat annoying is that while DC abounds in positively abounds in "legacy" characters, Marvel has a lot less of that. Quite a few of the old characters still kicking around themselves, but not all that many second generation types.

[Son of Kirk]

He was just posting a pic of his first round pick!

No I got really confused, I thought that the order of round 2 picks was reversed.

I blame drinking too much coffee this morning, and poor schooling, and my mum.

[suedenim]

Incidentally, I've been thinking this question over a bit:

It's a legacy team, so was Cap also the leader of the World War 2 Liberty Squadron?

After some consideration, I figured out that Captain America was *not* the leader of the WW2 Liberty Squadron, or at least not right off the bat.

When you think about it, Captain America in 1941 had a lot of training and ability, but was operating mostly on his own, fighting saboteurs in secret, and was just a 20-year-old guy with no actual leadership experience. I think the Liberty Squadron was more like where Cap became a leader, and the Squadron's first leader was the man who was the chairman of the first Golden Age supergroup, the All-Star Society - the first Hawkman, Carter Hall.

Incidentally, at this point I'm not contemplating drafting Hawkman I into the modern Liberty Squadron, so I'm perfectly OK with him on any of the other teams.

[Ryan Samuelson]

BTW, here are some resources I found with details on some of the more obscure "historical" Marvel characters. Hard to find, so I figure I'd put these out there for anybody else who's interested:

V-Battalion (http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Portal/5275/vbattalion.html)
Marvel: the Lost Generation (http://www.geocities.com/ratmmjess/lost.html)

One thing I'm finding somewhat annoying is that while DC abounds in positively abounds in "legacy" characters, Marvel has a lot less of that. Quite a few of the old characters still kicking around themselves, but not all that many second generation types.
Part of the problem is that DC bought the Golden and Silver Age Charlton, Fawcett, and Quality characters, while Marvel just has Timely and Atlas characters.

My solution was to try and balance out my team with the original comic companies rather than just try and balance out the current DC/Marvel split.

While I'm posting, I guess I like to ask you and everyone else here to help me out with something.

If we are going with the Roy Thomas explanation that the Spear of Destiny kept the majority of the Golden Agers out of Europe and Asia, does anyone have any suggestions for a work around solution for my team to operate in Europe?

It doesn't have to be perfect. In fact I like the idea that Blue Beetle has fallen back on using a variation of the Hourman/Super Soldier formula 2X (the golden age explanation of his powers) because the Blue Scarab (the silver age) is slowly driving him mad (modern age explanation of why Ted doesn't use it) and is somewhat under the influence of said Spear of Destiny.

[Phantom Stranger]

By the by, SoK, you may want to give me a list for the weekend. It should probably be fairly extensive...

[suedenim]

With regard to the Spear of Destiny:
1. First off, since the Golden Age and Europe are your bailiwick, if you don't want to use the Spear at all, that's OK with me (though there's still issues like "so how come Dr. Fate, the Spectre, and Green Lantern didn't wipe up the Nazis in 1941?")
2. Alternate explanation - has it ever been established what the scarab is, exactly, or where it came from? Maybe the scarab is actually a peculiar exception to the Spear's powers* - perhaps deriving its powers from the same source? (Bit of a stretch for an Egyptian relic to be tied in with two Christian relics, maybe, but you never know....)
3. Another thing that I don't think was ever spelled out (or was inconsistently spelled out) is what, exactly, the geographical limits on the Spear of Destiny's powers were. Is it some sort of straight "the powers extend to a certain radius from Berlin" thing? Or (my preferred explanation) is it mystically "linked" to the worldly fortunes of the Axis powers? So that it only works completely in Germany or decisively conquered territories, but less so or not at all in "contested" areas?

* Note also that the possession of the Holy Grail by a Japanese dude conferred similar powers over the East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere.

[budman]

Tell me about it.... And of course, it's gonna be weird having a SHIELD book without Fury.


well fury is of mine is going to be the nasty (max) Fury it could be that SHIELD canned his ass due to his actions on a mission

backstory and plot hooks

[suedenim]

Another thing to think about is that characters don't necessarily have to have identical backgrounds to the ones they had in their "original" universes. Maybe SHIELD never existed before the "Tangency Comics" line that we're creating right now, or had a different form, or maybe it's still under the leadership of its first director*, and Nick Fury's still working for the CIA?

* - Fun bit of trivia: Nick Fury was *not* the first guy in charge of SHIELD - he was brought on after that guy was assassinated, IIRC.

[Phantom Stranger]

Another thing to think about is that characters don't necessarily have to have identical backgrounds to the ones they had in their "original" universes. Maybe SHIELD never existed before the "Tangency Comics" line that we're creating right now, or had a different form, or maybe it's still under the leadership of its first director*, and Nick Fury's still working for the CIA?


Well, yeah. Jim Gordon worked in Metropolis. It was Luthor who shot Barbara in the spine... (I'm suspecting, however, that Gordon subsequently moved to Gotham...)

[Ryan Samuelson]

With regard to the Spear of Destiny:
1. First off, since the Golden Age and Europe are your bailiwick, if you don't want to use the Spear at all, that's OK with me (though there's still issues like "so how come Dr. Fate, the Spectre, and Green Lantern didn't wipe up the Nazis in 1941?")
Don't forget about Black Widow (http://www.internationalhero.co.uk/b/blackwidowga.htm) and the Vision (http://www.internationalhero.co.uk/t/thevision.htm). I like the idea of the Spear causing the original defeat that caused the team to go from All-Winners to All-Losers. I already have the opening scene being Fate, Spectre, GL, BW and the Vision destroying the Allied invasion fleet and in the case of Spectre and Black Widow killing off a bunch of the more lame and obscure Golden Age heroes.

2. Alternate explanation - has it ever been established what the scarab is, exactly, or where it came from? Maybe the scarab is actually a peculiar exception to the Spear's powers* - perhaps deriving its powers from the same source? (Bit of a stretch for an Egyptian relic to be tied in with two Christian relics, maybe, but you never know....)
I might go with this as well. BB at first thinks he can't use the scarab and so he starts using 2X to recharge his failing powers. But the turth is he can use the scarab.

3. Another thing that I don't think was ever spelled out (or was inconsistently spelled out) is what, exactly, the geographical limits on the Spear of Destiny's powers were. Is it some sort of straight "the powers extend to a certain radius from Berlin" thing? Or (my preferred explanation) is it mystically "linked" to the worldly fortunes of the Axis powers? So that it only works completely in Germany or decisively conquered territories, but less so or not at all in "contested" areas?

* Note also that the possession of the Holy Grail by a Japanese dude conferred similar powers over the East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere.
I think I might also go with the idea that the Spear was only a one time event, but the Allied command was so devestated by the supers the first time, that now they no longer really trust meta-humans and some Generals and Admirals outright hate them. This would propel the more human heroes such as Hawkman, Captain America and the Blackhawks to the limelight. :)

Only a little bit later is it revealed that the supers can operate in Europe but there is a lot of bias against putting supers in the field again. In fact the safest thing might be to put then in situations such as distractions or counter-intelligence where they are almost designed to fail and lose.

[Bull]

Err, can I suggest we split the thread?

Have one thread that's ONLY for Picks, "moderated" by Daz. basically, the only thing any of us can post to it is our picks when it's our turn. Any "Future picsk in case we're not online" go to Daz as a PM.

And keep this thread up for general discussion and such?

Right now there's a lot of confusioon, and part of that seems to be due to the amount of "non drafting" discussion going on about the draftees/drafetrs. That's one reason i spun my "teen heroes" thread off.

Bull

[Robot Fury]

Err, can I suggest we split the thread?

Have one thread that's ONLY for Picks, "moderated" by Daz. basically, the only thing any of us can post to it is our picks when it's our turn. Any "Future picsk in case we're not online" go to Daz as a PM.

And keep this thread up for general discussion and such?

Right now there's a lot of confusioon, and part of that seems to be due to the amount of "non drafting" discussion going on about the draftees/drafetrs. That's one reason i spun my "teen heroes" thread off.

Bull

I second this motion.

[Desert-Raven]

As a humble observer, I third!

Plus, how about a recap so far?

D-R

[Orochi]

As far as the Spear of Destiny, I need to know one thing...are we dealing with their being one definitive Spear, so once one person has set it up, it would work the same way for any of us (basically, are we all in the same universe). I have plans involving the Spear, plans that could be changed if the Spear doesn't suit my purpose. I'll monitor the thread about that.

Oh, and I vote for spliting the thread.

[Ryan Samuelson]

As far as the Spear of Destiny, I need to know one thing...are we dealing with their being one definitive Spear, so once one person has set it up, it would work the same way for any of us (basically, are we all in the same universe). I have plans involving the Spear, plans that could be changed if the Spear doesn't suit my purpose. I'll monitor the thread about that.

Oh, and I vote for spliting the thread.
I think Daz was going for a same universe idea. But I'm perfectly willing to share ideas or change stuff around if it conflicts with what you want to do.

We could always go with the idea that Hitler hadn't perfected the ritual with the spear during the 40's and that it works differently in the modern day.

If you're going with a quest to collect the combined the magic artifacts of Marvel and DC, I just have one thing to say... that is so cool!

[Bull]

If you're going with a quest to collect the combined the magic artifacts of Marvel and DC, I just have one thing to say... that is so cool!

Was that sorta the plot to the Avengers/JLA Mini? :)

Bull

[JdRavnos]

As a humble observer, I third!

Plus, how about a recap so far?

D-R

1. THE AVENGERS: “Donald Stone” Wonder Woman

2. JL: “Megamanfan” Captain Marvel

3. THE FUTURE TEAM: “Spiderman1fan” Bishop

4. THE FOREVER PEOPLE: "Evan Waters" Maxwell Lord

5. THE EXPLORERS TEAM: “Theodore Jay Miller” Blue Beetle (Ted Kord)

6. THE MISFIT TEAM: ???

7. THE TEENAGE TEAM: “Bull” Robin

8. THE ALL-FEMALE TEAM: "Trenchcoat Brigand" Oracle

9. THE GROWN-UP TEEN TEAM: "Son of Kirk." Nova

10. THE MERCENARY TEAM: “Robot Fury” Silver Sable

11. THE MONSTER TEAM: “Corinthi” Doc Samson

12. THE CELEBRITY TEAM: “JdRavnos” Booster Gold

13. THE TOTALLY OUT THERE CONCEPT TEAM: “Shameless Poser” Iron Man

14. THE LEGACY TEAM: “suedenim” Captain America, Lady Blackhawk

15. THE GOLDEN AGE TEAM: “Ryan Samuelson” Blue Beetle (Dan Garrett), Max Mercury

16. THE GOVERNMENT SUPER TEAM: “Lee Casebolt” Wolverine, Nightwing

17. THE REGIONAL SPIN-OFF TEAM: “Bobaloo” The Incredible Hulk, Angel

18. THE PARANORMAL TEAM: “Orochi” Dr. Strange, Jason Blood/Etrigan

19. THE INTERNATIONAL TEAM: “Matt David T.” Superman, Captain Britain

20. THE EXTREME SPIN-OFF TEAM: “Gilok” Batman, Punisher

21. THE FIELD AGENTS: “budman” Nick Fury, Deathstroke

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