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10-18-2005, 10:09 AM
Post originally by Kester Pelagius at 2005-10-18 09:09:31
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Howdy,

I mean, sure, it's an interesting article. (It movied me to post. So that means you really hit on something here. Kudos!) However, if you're going to retain the name of Baron Samedi intact why change Baba Yaga to Mama Yaga? And there's all kinds of historical holes and missteps.

When we think of the Inquisition we too often fail to realize that there were REGIONAL Inquisitions. The most notorious of which was the Spanish arm of the Inquisition. However did the Inquisition really have anything to do with the affair of the Templars or Cathars?

Not really.

These events occurred prior to the time period of the era of the so-called "Inquisition". The Cathars episode was- to over simplify- a fight over doctrine whereas the Templars episode was one King misusing the Church to get rid of a group that he owed a large amount of money too.

Which brings us to a sad fact of these events. Most of them were actually about the *acquisition* of wealth- read land, properties, et al- by force. At least that's the Inquisition that is most commononly known and portrayed in cinema. (Mark of the Devil, The Witchfinder General, &tc)

More than that by the time of the Witch trials the "Inquisition" was literally at ropes end, grasping at straws, as that was pretty much the last of the heresies it had to look into. In other words the Inquisition was the death throws of several centuries long power structure. They'd already weeded out most of the so-called "real heresies" and thus had only Witchcraft to justify their existance.

A cynical view would be: It's sort of like declaring war on "drugs" or "terrorism". Both are ephemeral, like "witchcraft", and can be used to justify a wide range of policies. Whereas the Cathars was the equivalent of a political dispute.

That said I'd of liked to have seen mention of the myriad number of other heresies- which included vampirism, why else do you think the Church charged and convicted Countess Bathory of that?- which fanned the flames of the Medieval Church's power struggles and paranoia.

Speaking of which where are the vampires and lycanthropes?

Weren't one of the many accusations leveled against witches, aside the ever popular consorting with familiars, that witches could transform themselves into other critters?

Also the Malleus Maleficarum was NEVER for the consumption of the "common folk", most of whom were likely illiterate and probably couldn't have written their name, much less read a book in the first place.

"The Malleus was used as a judicial case-book for the detection and persecution of witches, specifying rules of evidence and the canonical procedures by which suspected witches were tortured and put to death."

Excerpted from: http://www.sacred-texts.com/pag/mm/

The "Haunter of the Gale" was interesting. But while reading that I couldn't help but wonder why you didn't also include some undead Templars. They'd fit in perfectly with this setting.

Links to Info on the Blind Dead
http://members.aol.com/eurosin/risen.htm
http://www.coldfusionvideo.com/t/tombsofblinddead.html
http://www.stomptokyo.com/badmoviereport/reviews/T/blinddead.html
http://www.angelfire.com/darkside/realmofhorror/blinddead1.htm


More Links of Interest
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/witches1.html
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/inquisition1.html
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/sbook1s.html
http://www.paralumun.com/inquisition.htm
http://www2.kenyon.edu/Projects/Margin/heresy.htm
http://www.biblefacts.org/history/g2chart.html
http://www.themystica.com/mystica/articles/d/demonology.html
http://www.djmcadam.com/demons.htm
http://www.utexas.edu/features/archive/2003/vampires.html
http://www.pitt.edu/~dash/werewolf.html
http://www.deliriumsrealm.com/delirium/articles/articleview.asp?ID=20

And a review of potential interest: http://www.rpgtimes.net/rpgtimes/article.php?article_id=572&origin=archive

End of ramble.

As always any mistakes, glaring errors, or misrepresentation of the facts is purely the fault of the gremlins living in my computer. And remember when you catch a snark release it back into the wild, snark is an endagnered species. ;-)


Kind Regards,

Kester Pelagius


P.S. I really did enjoy the article, BTW. Looking forward to the next installment.

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10-18-2005, 11:21 AM
Post originally by Dan Bayn at 2005-10-18 10:21:01
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Perhaps the title was misleading. Vaaco (aka. Karasu) had chosen it for a subsection, but I thought it sounded cool ;)

Anyway, our goal was to write something spooky for Halloween, something with voodoo and ghosts and witches, not Sanctum: The Inquisition. Hence, there was little mention of all those Inquisition-related points.

Having said that, an Inquisition-themed article would be sweet. Any chance you'd be interested in writing such a beast? You obviously know your stuff and have no trouble stringing 2 sentences together...

--Dan

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10-18-2005, 04:25 PM
Post originally by Kester Pelagius at 2005-10-18 15:25:57
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>>>Having said that, an Inquisition-themed article would be sweet. Any chance you'd be interested in writing such a beast? You obviously know your stuff and have no trouble stringing 2 sentences together...<<<

You don't ask much, do you?

*thinks*

And which inquisition to elucidate???

The time period of the Spanish Inquisition is the best known. Mel Brooks even satired it in his History of the World part 1, but would anyone really read a mini-setting that expounds on the auto-de-fe and various Directorium Inquisitoriums?

OTOH... The Sanctum idea might fit well with a conspiracy type setting. Perhaps something that expounds on the Knights Templar and mentions an "Office of the Inquisition".

Hmm.

I could even try and work in Undead Templar Zombies!!!

Yes, Templar Zombies, my precious.

*thinks some more*

I may just have something in mind. :-)

Can you PM me a checklist/outline of what needs to be included in one of these articles?

Also how long would I have to try and cobble something together?

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10-18-2005, 08:37 PM
Post originally by Dan Bayn at 2005-10-18 19:37:45
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Done :) Check your inbox. This should shape up nicely.

--Dan

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10-20-2005, 04:02 AM
Post originally by Vasco Brown at 2005-10-20 03:02:52
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Kester Pelagius wrote:
[[ These events occurred prior to the time period of the era of the so-called "Inquisition". The Cathars episode was- to over simplify- a fight over doctrine whereas the Templars episode was one King misusing the Church to get rid of a group that he owed a large amount of money too. ]]

You're absolutely correct. :)

I accept this as a case of unclear writing on my part. I'm fully aware of the time difference between the disbanding of the Templars, the dealings with the Cathars, and the time period highlighted in the article. In mentioning them as examples of persecuted groups I neglected to specifically note their respective time frames, under the assumption that their distinction from the 'present' period of the article would be obvious. I apologize.

Also. Although the ruin that befell the Templars was due to a refused war loan to Philip IV, King of France, the official public accusations brought against them were sodomy, worship of Baphomet, and other forms of heresy. Thus my use of them as an example; from that particular perspective.

Kester Pelagius wrote:
[[ Also the Malleus Maleficarum was NEVER for the consumption of the "common folk", most of whom were likely illiterate and probably couldn't have written their name, much less read a book in the first place. ]]

Perhaps during late 15th century. However by the late 17th, as is the focus of the article, the work enjoyed continued publication due to public interest in witchhunting. Though I admit my source is not infallible.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malleus_Maleficarum

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10-20-2005, 08:56 AM
Post originally by Kester Pelagius at 2005-10-20 07:56:06
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>>>I accept this as a case of unclear writing on my part. I'm fully aware of the time difference between the disbanding of the Templars, the dealings with the Cathars, and the time period highlighted in the article. In mentioning them as examples of persecuted groups I neglected to specifically note their respective time frames, under the assumption that their distinction from the 'present' period of the article would be obvious. I apologize.<<<

No worries.

I'm working on something that might fill in the gap, at least part of it where background detail in concerned, but it's also going to take some minor liberties. After all you can't make history into a interesting game setting without taking a few minor liberties (and grossly glossing over events)! ;-)


>>>Perhaps during late 15th century. However by the late 17th, as is the focus of the article, the work enjoyed continued publication due to public interest in witchhunting. Though I admit my source is not infallible.<<<

Again, not to worry. My little addition takes your spin on history into account. It should be something interesting to look forward to. Then again no one expects the Sanctum Inquisitorium!

:-)

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10-21-2005, 02:37 PM
Post originally by SteelCaress at 2005-10-21 13:37:34
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Kester Pelagius wrote:
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When we think of the Inquisition we too often fail to realize that there were REGIONAL Inquisitions. The most notorious of which was the Spanish arm of the Inquisition.
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"No one expects the Spanish Inquisition! Our chief weapon is surprise and fear! Uh...Our two chief weapons are surprise, fear, and a fanatical devotion to the Pope! Our three chief weapons..."