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Reynard

04-03-2007, 10:31 AM

Been to death, I know -- but this thread is for choosing the best examples in media and life of the 9 D&D alignments.

Lawful Good: Superman

Lawful Neutral: Jack Bauer

Lawful Evil: Deathstroke the Terminator

Neutral Good: Batman

True Neutral: Yoda

Neutral Evil: Emperor Palpatine

Chaotic Good: Kara "Starbuck" Thrace

Chaotic Neutral: Captain Jack Sparrow

Chaotic Evil: The Joker

chipjamieson

04-03-2007, 10:41 AM

Yoda is True Neutral???

Huh. And Batman is Lawful Neutral to me...he's just too close to the dark side...:D

Anubis-scales

04-03-2007, 10:45 AM

Lawful Good: Cyclops

Lawful Neutral: Lucius Verenus (Rome)

Lawful Evil: Darth Vadar

Neutral Good: Robin Hood

True Neutral: The Watcher

Neutral Evil: Cy Toliver (Deadwood)

Chaotic Good: Wolverine

Chaotic Neutral: Titus Pullo (Rome)

Chaotic Evil: Captain Spaulding (House of 1000 Corpses, Devil's Rejects)

Reynard

04-03-2007, 10:47 AM

Yoda is True Neutral???

I think so. All that zen stuff and talk of balance.

Huh. And Batman is Lawful Neutral to me...he's just too close to the dark side...:D

Nah. He just doesn't give a fig about the rules, but his heart (and fists) is in the right place.

Jerrythehun

04-03-2007, 10:49 AM

Lawful Good: Robocop

Lawful Neutral: Judge Dredd

Lawful Evil: Jack Bauer

Neutral Good: The Doctor

True Neutral: The TARDIS

Neutral Evil: The Master

Chaotic Good: John Brown

Chaotic Neutral: Ayn Rand

Chaotic Evil: Belkar Bitterleaf

Originally I had a Lawful - cop, Neutral - Doctor Who, Chaotic - American history theme going, but I just can't let loose of my boy Belkar.

Incidently, my choice thematically was Nathan Bedford Forrest for CE.

MatrexsVigil

04-03-2007, 11:17 AM

Lawful Good: Lieutenant Horatio Caine (He's all about catching the bad guys, righting wrongs, protecting his officers, and doing it without being a normal LG dick character)

Lawful Neutral: Director Walter Skinner (He follows the rules but sometimes he does it for 'evil' aka the Smoking Man and sometimes he does it to protect his agents and the innocent)

Lawful Evil: Detective Michael Tritter (He's a cop and seems to follow the law to an extent, but then he bends it and uses it to his own advantage to try and frame Dr. House as being a drug dealer)

Neutral Good: Detective Elliot Stabler (He's a good guy, but he bends the rules just enough to punish those he really sees as horrible people)

True Neutral: I don't think I've ever seen a TN character in any of the shows I watch.

Neutral Evil: The Smoking Man (He's out for his own good, and he's also deliberately hiding the truth from the world by lying, killing people, conducting alien experiments on people...)

Chaotic Good: Agent Fox Mulder (He's looking for the truth, he protects those in trouble, but he also bends the rules, sometimes too much to search for that truth)

Chaotic Neutral: Dr. Gregory House (He's worried about his pain drugs, then his patients, then his friends, THEN the laws and the rules of the hospital)

Chaotic Evil: The SVU Criminals (A lot of the criminals on SVU are rapists, child molesters, or other types of sexual predators. They disregard the law completely to fill their needs.)

Can we all tell what shows I watch the most? =)

-P.C.

Asklepios

04-03-2007, 11:20 AM

Too easy! I can do it in X-Men heroes and villains alone... without even leaving the movies!

Lawful Good: Cyclops

Lawful Neutral: Prof Xavier

Lawful Evil: Magneto

Neutral Good: Jean Grey

True Neutral: Wolverine

Neutral Evil: Blob

Chaotic Good: Kitty Pryde

Chaotic Neutral: Mystique

Chaotic Evil: Juggernaut

cappadocius

04-03-2007, 11:45 AM

Lawful Good: Captain America; he stands for freedom, and doing the right thing, and helping others, but he does his best to do it within the existing framework of society, and he plays very well with others.

Neutral Good: Jesus Christ; Jesus didn't care how you did good, or why you helped others, as long as you just did good and helped others.

Chaotic Good: Batman; hear me out! Batman has changed alignments a number of times over his 70+ years, but I think overall he's been a Chaotic Good sort of guy. He's concerned with justice, with protecting the innocent, and making sure nobody's parents ever get shot again - but he will ignore every law of God and man in pursuit of this goal. He's also a "I'll do my thing, you do yours, and if nobody gets hurt, we're good" sort of hero.

Lawful Neutral: Judge Dredd; Judge Dredd has a Psi-Rating of 0.0 - No Empathy. He obeys the Law, he expects you to obey the Law, and if you do not obey the Law you will be punished, it doesn't matter who you are. If Dredd breaks the law, he will punish himself just as harshly as he would anyone else.

True Neutral: Gautama Buddha; The Eight-Fold way is known as the middle path for a reason. Do not strive to do great good, do not strive to do great evil; do not desire ultimate freedom and do not desire submission to laws, formal or social. Do what is right - not what is "good", or "evil", or "lawful", or "chaotic".

Chaotic Neutral: Captain Jack Sparrow; Jack does what is good for Jack, but he doesn't go out of his way to do it at someone else's expense. He wishes to be master of his own destiny, free of anyone's rules but his own; anything beyond that is left to the exigencies of the moment.

Lawful Evil: Richard Nixon; this was a tough one, I almost went with Woodrow Wilson... Nixon was a man with congealed spite for a heart, and a savage political instinct that left his opponents bloodied. He abused his position for his own advancement, he used his authority to crush anyone who opposed his will. He used law and social expectations to his advantage, but had a contempt for them when they inconvenienced him.

Neutral Evil: Gordon Gekko; Gordon does what is good for Gordon, and he goes out of his way to make sure it's at someone else's expense. He'll use the rules to his advantage, but he'll gleefully break them if that would lead to more advantage - all that matters is his own aggrandizement. He enjoys watching others beaten and humiliated, but he won't stick his neck out to cause such humiliations.

Chaotic Evil: Josef Stalin; Again, hear me out! Stalin respected on thing: Strength. If you were able to stand up to him, you could stand up to him. If you weren't, and you tried, he would crush you with relish. He enjoyed nothing more than exercising his power and authority by emphasizing how others didn't have power and authority. If you suffered at his hands, that was your fault for not being able to resist him. Stalin's will alone mattered; unlike lawful evil Nixon, Stalin didn't even pretend to use laws - HE was the only law that mattered.

Reynard

04-03-2007, 11:51 AM

Chaotic Good: Batman; hear me out! Batman has changed alignments a number of times over his 70+ years, but I think overall he's been a Chaotic Good sort of guy. He's concerned with justice, with protecting the innocent, and making sure nobody's parents ever get shot again - but he will ignore every law of God and man in pursuit of this goal. He's also a "I'll do my thing, you do yours, and if nobody gets hurt, we're good" sort of hero.

I agree wholeheartedly with your description -- but all that says NG to me. ;)

cappadocius

04-03-2007, 01:29 PM

I agree wholeheartedly with your description -- but all that says NG to me. ;)

Mm. You're right. Green Arrow fits the "Chaotic" part better, since he prefers the individual, self-sufficient, thumb your nose at the bigwigs solution over all others, while Batman the pragmatist, doesn't care HOW you do it, as long as it gets done.

Tao Jones

04-03-2007, 01:41 PM

Deadwood:

Lawful Good: Sol Starr
Neutral Good: Whitney Ellsworth
Chaotic Good: Charlie Utter
Lawful Neutral: Seth Bullock (maybe he's Lawful Good, but he's trying to be neutral through most of the series)
Neutral Neutral: Alma Garret-Ellsworth
Chaotic Neutral: Al Swearengen (though I'm scooped by the PHB)
Lawful Evil: Drawing something of a blank here...maybe Alma Garret's father?
Neutral Evil: Seconding Cy Tolliver
Chaotic Evil: George Hearst

Springaldjack

04-03-2007, 02:39 PM

I'm Gonna try to do it all with Angel characters. I thought about trying to do it with only Wesley Wyndham-Price but....

Lawful Good Early Angel Wesley. Wesley may not work for the Council anymore and may in fact have his doubts about them, but he believes more than anyone else that there is a beneficent order governing the world behind the scenes.
A more perfect example is Drogan, Battle Brand, but since he was only in two episodes I was hesitant to use him.

Lawful Neutral: Kate Lockley. She was not only a cop, but she came to hate Angel and the Supernatural not just because vampires killed her father, but because

Lawful Evil: Holland Manners. As the first character who really represented Wolfram and Hart as an entity he articulated a philosophy of evil. I was tempted to put him as Neutral Evil since he is willing to break Laws but at the same time his philosophy about how "we are all part of something larger" tipped the scales.

Neutral Good: Angel hisself. Champions are people who live as though the world is how it should be.

True Neutral: The Host back before he was called Lorne, when he ran Caritas and would help anyone on their particular path good or evil.

Neutral Evil: Holtz. He had his personal quest for vengence and no longer cared who he worked with or who got hurt as long as Angel did...

Chaotic Good: Charels Gunn. Little respect for the system and order, but a big respect for the Mission.

Chaotic Neutral: Lindsay McDonald. Or at least Runebearing swordsman Season 5 Lindsay. His Chaotic nature led him to leave Wolfram and Hart and his personal score to settle with Angel led him back to LA. Yeah he planned to join the Circle of the Black Thorn but at the same time he still joined Team Angel to take them down.

Chaotic Evil: Angelus. He more than other vampires, relished in Evil itself. And yet was never fond of working for any other evil.

WyzardWhately

04-03-2007, 02:54 PM

Lawful Good: Sir Thomas More

Neutral Good: Santa Claus

Chaotic Good: V

Lawful Neutral: Mr. Norrell

True Neutral: Metron

Chaotic Neutral: Lobo

Lawful Evil: Kingpin

Neutral Evil: Steerpike

Chaotic Evil: Grendel

Allandaros

04-03-2007, 03:02 PM

Firefly!

LG: Commander Harken, the commander of the Alliance cruiser in "Bushwhacked."
NG: Simon Tam
CG: Mal Reynolds
LN: Zoe Alleyne
N: The hill people, from "Safe"
CN: River Tam
LE: The Hands of Blue fellas
NE: Jayne Cobb
CE: Reavers! Them's crazy folk.

Goblinardo

04-03-2007, 03:18 PM

Reynard

04-03-2007, 03:18 PM

True Neutral: Metron

Wow. that's a *really* good one. Take a New Gods point.

Maedhros

04-03-2007, 03:37 PM

Neutral Good: Santa Claus

Hmmm...

You better watch out
You better not cry
Better not pout
I'm telling you why
Santa Claus is coming to town

Looks like ol' Mr. Claus is a stickler for rules...

He's making a list
And checking it twice;
Gonna find out Who's naughty and nice
Santa Claus is coming to town

...and a bit obsessed with toeing the line when it comes to morality...

He sees you when you're sleeping
He knows when you're awake
He knows if you've been bad or good
So be good for goodness sake!

...and engaged in covert surveillance, with implied punishment for Thought Crime...

O! You better watch out!
You better not cry
Better not pout
I'm telling you why
Santa Claus is coming to town
Santa Claus is coming to town

I don't know if I would go so far as to assume this Claus fellow is as benevolent as commonly portrayed.

Lawful Neutral is my call.

Maedhros

04-03-2007, 03:52 PM

LG: Butters

NG: Stan and Kyle

CG: Chef

LN: Officer Barbrady

N: Kenny

CN: Butters (in Professor Chaos mode)

LE: Sergeant Yates

NE: Mayor McDaniels

CE: Cartman

Celisasu

04-03-2007, 03:54 PM

Using Mai Hime characters for the fun of it since they seem to have the full alignment spectrum.

Lawful Good: Midori

Neutral Good: Mai Tokiha

Chaotic Good: Mikoto

Lawful Neutral: Suzushiro

Neutral: Miyu

Chaotic Neutral: Nao

Lawful Evil: Alyssa Sears

Neutral Evil: Shizaru

Chaotic Evil: Nagi

theliel

04-03-2007, 04:02 PM

LG Vir
NG Loren
CG Markus
LN Talya Winters
N garibaldi
CN Lando Molari
LE Mr. Morden
NE Lord Rifa
CE Cartagio

Lukas Sjöström

04-03-2007, 04:16 PM

Nawara

04-03-2007, 04:19 PM

WyzardWhately

04-03-2007, 05:04 PM

Wow. that's a *really* good one. Take a New Gods point.

And I've never even read New Gods! WOOT!

Xenu's Paradox

04-03-2007, 05:29 PM

Lawful Good: Superman (DC comics)- He fights for Truth, Justice and the American Way, but he won't break the law or his own moral code to do so.
Lawful Neutral: Inspector Javert (Les Miserablés)- He holds the Law as the highest authority and will follow it to the letter even when it punishes those who are morally innocent.
Lawful Evil: The Operative (Serenity)- He knows his actions are morally reprehensible, but believes that they are justified and necessary.
Neutral Good: Batman (DC comics)- He is dedicated to punishing the guilty. If the law is on his side, he'll use it. If not, he will ignore it.
True Neutral: Astinus (Dragonlance)- He watches and records, but never interferes.
Neutral Evil: Vicious (Cowboy Bebop)- He goes along with the Syndicate while they allow him to indulge his sadistic nature, then turns on them when he feels they've gone soft.
Chaotic Good: Robin Hood- Robbing from the rich and giving to the poor. He knows that the law is being twisted and misused, so he strikes out against it to defend those who cannot defend themselves.
Chaotic Neutral: Jayne Cobb (Firefly)- His first thought is always "What's in it for me?", followed closely by "Can I get away with it?" He's not evil- there are some things he won't do- but he's definitely not good, either.
Chaotic Evil: The Shadows (Babylon 5)- Their entire purpose was to foment chaos and destruction among the younger races in order to weed out the inferior and strengthen the superior.

Springaldjack

04-03-2007, 05:32 PM

Firefly!

CE: Reavers! Them's crazy folk.

For a more sane version of CE you might consider Nishka. In the spirit of good will I won't comment on the ones I think you called wrong...

OldSkoolGeek

04-03-2007, 08:41 PM

Star Wars Edition!

LG: Yoda
NG: Luke Skywalker
CG: Qui-Gon Jin
LN: Grand Moff Tarkin
TN: Boba Fett
CN: Lando Calrissian (pre-JEDI)
LE: Darth Vader
NE: Jabba the Hutt
CE: Darth Maul

Trickstergod

04-03-2007, 08:44 PM

I'll try doing it using only examples from A Song of Ice and Fire:

Beat me to it. That said, I will disagree slightly on one point...

Lawful Good: Eddard Stark.

While I think Eddard may be Lawful Good, he does waiver a bit towards Neutral Good at times. It's clear that he dislikes lying, breaking oaths, stretching the truth, that sort of thing, but he still does it. However, it's more reasonable that he's simply a Lawful Good individual with Good outweighing the Lawful.

But I don't think he's the paragon Lawful Good individual of the series.

That, I think, goes to Ser Davos Seaworth.

The most telling part of this is in regards to the sacrifice. On one hand, he doesn't let an evil like that simply happen.

On the other hand, he goes right up to Stannis afterwards to face the consequences for his actions.

I think Davos is the most stringently Lawful Good individual out of the series.

That said, I think the series is a pretty good source to go to for alignment examples and how it still can have nuances and the sort.

JohnBiles

04-03-2007, 08:44 PM

True Neutral: Gautama Buddha; The Eight-Fold way is known as the middle path for a reason. Do not strive to do great good, do not strive to do great evil; do not desire ultimate freedom and do not desire submission to laws, formal or social. Do what is right - not what is "good", or "evil", or "lawful", or "chaotic".

And what is right is what is good. The whole idea of Buddhism is to escape suffering to NOT CAUSE OTHERS TO SUFFER.

Three of the 8 Noble truths: (From Wikipedia)
1. Right Speech - One speaks in a non hurtful, not exaggerated, truthful way (samyag-vāc, sammā-vācā)
2. Right Actions - Wholesome action, avoiding action that would do harm (samyak-karmānta, sammā-kammanta)
3. Right Livelihood - One's way of livelihood does not harm in any way oneself or others; directly or indirectly (samyag-ājīva, sammā-ājīva)

These sound to me like endorsement of a moral code we could reasonably call good. If evil means anything, it means causing suffering to others and Buddhism rejects this.

What Buddha 'balanced' was that you should neither wallow in the world's pleasures nor be so much of ascetic that you hurt yourself.

Not balancing good and evil.

Lao Tze, who basically told people to be fat and happy, is a better example for True Neutral, I think.

OldSkoolGeek

04-03-2007, 08:52 PM

Batman Edition!

LG: Jim Gordon
NG: Batman
CG: Catwoman
LN: The Riddler
TN: Ra's-al-Ghul (in his opinion anyway)
CN: Two-Face
LE: Scarecrow
NE: Killer Croc
CE: The Joker

JohnBiles

04-03-2007, 08:52 PM

You may disagree...

U.S. Presidents

Lawful Good: George Washington
Neutral Good: Harry Truman
Chaotic Good: Bill Clinton
Lawful Neutral: Thomas Jefferson
True Neutral: Franklin Roosevelt
Chaotic Neutral: Andrew Jackson
Lawful Evil: Richard Nixon
Neutral Evil: Lyndon Johnson
Chaotic Evil: None, thank god.
Chaotic Stupid: I'm not saying it.

I'm going to disagree with a lot of these:

Washington and Truman seem to fit pretty well. I think Bill was a Neutral Good who wasn't good at keeping it in his pants.

Thomas Jefferson was not Lawful Neutral. This is a man who sponsored the idea of Nullification, who wanted minimal government, minimal taxes, and a citizen army of militia, not a professional one. He also wrote the Declaration of Independence.

He's a not-crazy Chaotic Neutral or Chaotic Good, depending on how much one believes his claims of benevolence.

I'm not sure why you see FDR as true Neutral. I'm more inclined to think Lawful Good or Lawful Neutral myself. (He presided over a massive growth of government and of support programs to help the poor, etc.)

Andrew Jackson and Nixon, I agree totally.

Lyndon Johnson as Neutral Evil? The man fought hard to end racism and poverty. These are not the acts of a man who is Neutral Evil. On the other hand, he totally screwed up in Vietnam, but not for evil reasons. I'd tag him at Neutral Good, or True Neutral at worst.

Curtis LeMay was Chaotic Evil, but thankfully, he never made it into office.

I'm not sure what Wolverine is. Neutral? Chaotic Neutral? Chaotic Good? Neutral Good? Lawful Good in a way we don't always understand? Whatever the writer at the time makes him?

Wolverine is whatever the author makes him. My gut is to say he's a Chaotic Neutral with Good tendencies.

Chaotic Evil: Pol Pot

Amen. Pol Pot is the very essence of Chaotic Evil.

OldSkoolGeek

04-03-2007, 09:20 PM

Superman Edition!

LG: Superman
NG: Steel
CG: Power Girl
LN: Eradicator
TN: Kismet
CN: (tie) Bizarro/Myxyzptlk
LE: General Zod
NE: Lex Luthor
CE: Doomsday

mhacdebhandia

04-03-2007, 09:46 PM

Lawful Good: Archons

Neutral Good: Guardinals

Chaotic Good: Eladrin

Lawful Neutral: Modrons

Neutral: Rilmani

Chaotic Neutral: Slaadi

Lawful Evil: Baatezu

Neutral Evil: Yugoloths

Chaotic Evil: Tanar'ri

. . . what? :D

mindstalk

04-04-2007, 04:47 PM

The Operative might be lawful evil, and an archetype of something, but not, I think an archetype of lawful evil. Or, this gets us into the murky area of their being multiple kinds of evil. But "I'll get my hands dirty or sacrifice my virtue for the greater good" is different from "I'll do anything which isn't forbidden." For the latter I'd nominate P. C. Hodgell's Kencyrath, which is pretty much genetically lawful -- won't lie, will keep their word, won't break their Law. But many of the Highborn rulers are definitely lawful evil: creatively interpreting their word or Law, not feeling obliged to do anything which isn't openly stated. "He may have married my daughter and feels he is an ally, but there was nothing about mutual defense clauses actually state." Others are Good: still just as lawful, but their behavior is infused with mercy and kindness as well.

I'd have nominated Inspector Javert for LN, too.

For TN, Karla the Grey Witch. "Lodoss shall be never conquered or unified." Although maybe CN. Of course that's a D&D based manga/anime.

Jim DelRosso

04-04-2007, 07:32 PM

I may come up with some others later, but:

Grand Moff Tarkin is the paragon of Lawful Evil. As far as we know, Tarkin never destroyed a planet before Star Wars. However, once it became legal for him to destroy a planet, it took him, what? Ten minutes to blast one to ash, killing billions?

And it only took that long because the first possible planet wasn't crowded enough.

Corvinity

04-04-2007, 10:44 PM

I'll try doing it using only examples from A Song of Ice and Fire:

Lawful Good: Eddard Stark.

Neutral Good:Jon Snow

Chaotic Good: Beric Dondarrion

Lawful Neutral: Stannis Baratheon

True Neutral: Tyrion Lannister

Chaotic Neutral: Jaime Lannister (post-ACOK)

Lawful Evil: So many to choose from... Tywin Lannister, Walder Frey, Roose Bolton, Balon Greyjoy...

Neutral Evil: Petyr Baelish

Chaotic Evil: The Mountain that Rides

It's eerie how perfect this is. It makes one wonder how much D&D GRRM has played. The only thing I'd disagree on is Walder Frey. He's more of a True Neutral or Neutral Horny. And I think Sandor Clegane, especially by the end, is a slightly better example of Chaotic Neutral. Daenerys is another good example of Neutral Good.

As for Firefly, I think Mal started out CN and became CG. In fact early Mal is a very good example of how I conceptualize CN.

Lukas Sjöström

04-05-2007, 12:26 AM

The only thing I'd disagree on is Walder Frey. He's more of a True Neutral or Neutral Horny

On second thoughts, I'd probably make him Neutral Evil. He's selfish and greedy enough to qualify as evil, but he definitely shouldn't be Lawful -- he broke one of the most sacred customs of Westeros, after all. I agree with you on the others, though. And, as mentioned above, Davos is another stellar example of Lawful Good.

And there's of course those characters which have strong vibe of "reply hazy, try again later" about them -- who knows what Melisandre or Varys are really up to?

rbingham2000

04-05-2007, 11:51 AM

Let's do it with Gundam Wing:

LG: Relena Peacecraft

LN: Treize Khushrenada

LE: Chief Engineer Tubarov

NG: Quattre Raberba Winner

Neutral: Wu-fei Chang

NE: Early series Lady Une

CG: Duo Maxwell

CN: Trowa Barton

CE: Alex and Mueller
I would put Heero into one of the neutral alignments. Probably LN or just plain N, being as he was pretty much about the mission at the start of the series, but as he grew closer to Relena, he had one of those changes of heart and joined the side of good, moving into LG or NG territory.

Milliardo Peacecraft/Zechs Merquise I would classify as neutral at the start of the series, but crossing the line into Evil territory towards the end when his misguided ideals drove him to try to destroy the earth and everyone on it for the sake of peace.

David Goodner

04-05-2007, 01:42 PM

Let's see how far I can get with divine figures
Lawful Good: YVWH, the god of Isreal
Lawful Neutral: The Adversary, as depicted in the book of Job
Lawful Evil: Mephistopholes, as depicted in Faust.
Neutral Good: Jesus Christ
True Neutral: YVWH as depicted in particularly early Hebrew belief - the source of all good and all evil.
Neutral Evil: Satan, as depicted in much of Christian literature
Chaotic Good: John the Baptist
Chaotic Neutral: Damn. This one's hard. Total selfishness is generally depicted as evil in Judeochristian belief structures.
Chaotic Evil: Satan as depicted in The Inferno - the ultimate traitor and completely evil.

I'm a little disappointed in everything after Neutral Good, but it'll do.

Now how about these
Lawful Good: Q
Lawful Neutral: M (The male one)
Lawful Evil: Auric Goldfinger
Neutral Good: Felix Lighter
True Neutral: M (The female one)
Neutral Evil: Francisco Scaramanga (the man with the golden gun)
Chaotic Good: James Bond
Chaotic Neutral: Octupussy
Chaotic Evil: Dr. No

David G.

Nawara

04-05-2007, 02:00 PM

Thomas Jefferson was not Lawful Neutral. This is a man who sponsored the idea of Nullification, who wanted minimal government, minimal taxes, and a citizen army of militia, not a professional one. He also wrote the Declaration of Independence.

All of which was according to the law he believed in (not English law). The minimal government was a part of that; when he had to do things in opposition to it, he had a lot of trouble. Witness his gunboat navy at a time when it was obvious we should have been building frigates, and his timidity in the Louisiana Purchase even though he knew he was going to do it anyway, and that it was the right thing to do... just the fact that it was unconstitutional (by his strict reading) was enough to cause him anguish.

If that's not lawful, I don't know what is.

I'm not sure why you see FDR as true Neutral. I'm more inclined to think Lawful Good or Lawful Neutral myself. (He presided over a massive growth of government and of support programs to help the poor, etc.)

I don't think support for social programs at a time when social programs are needed really constitutes "lawful". Things like the internment camps and the court-packing bill argue for a guy who does what he thinks needs to be done, regardless of ethics, traditions, morals, or social norms.

Not that that's an indictment of him... but I don't think of him as being "lawful" any more than Bill Clinton, Woodrow Wilson, or Ronald Reagan.

Lyndon Johnson as Neutral Evil? The man fought hard to end racism and poverty. These are not the acts of a man who is Neutral Evil. On the other hand, he totally screwed up in Vietnam, but not for evil reasons. I'd tag him at Neutral Good, or True Neutral at worst.

Fair enough... it was a stretch, and a wrong one at that. I've been listening to the Johnson tapes, and he really does come across a lot more benevolent (if misguided) in private than in public.

Perhaps Woodrow Wilson would better serve as our Neutral Evil paragon?

Curtis LeMay was Chaotic Evil, but thankfully, he never made it into office.

Agreed.

-Jeff

CmdrSam

04-05-2007, 02:41 PM

Lawful Good: Homestar Runner
Neutral Good: Strong Sad
Chaotic Good: Marzipan
Lawful Neutral: The King of Town
Neutral: Strong Mad
Chaotic Neutral: Strong Bad
Lawful Evil: Cheerleader
Neutral Evil: Blue Laser
Chaotic Evil: Trogdor the Burninator

CowboyEnergy

04-05-2007, 03:33 PM

KOTOR II TIME :D (I've only got a couple)

Neutral Good: The Exile
Neutral: The Jedi Council
Lawful Evil: HK-47
Neutral Evil: Darth Sion
Chaotic Evil: Darth Nihilus

CmdrSam

04-05-2007, 04:12 PM

Lawful Good: Prospero
Neutral Good: Portia
Chaotic Good: Thesius
Lawful Neutral: Polonius
Neutral: Hamlet
Chaotic Neutral: Laertes
Lawful Evil: Shylock
Neutral Evil: Lady Macbeth
Chaotic Evil: Iago

Surprisingly the Good characters were the hardest to find.

David Goodner

04-05-2007, 04:33 PM

Has someone done these?

Lawful Good: Wesley Price
Lawful Neutral: Quinten Travers
Lawful Evil: Principal Snyder
Neutral Good: Buffy Summers
True Neutral: Spike, once ensouled
Neutral Evil: Darla
Chaotic Good: Xander Harris
Chaotic Neutral: Faith
Chaotic Evil: Richard Wilkins III

David G.