[Blacksky] Wherein we talk about our short-term plans and see if they align.

[nonsense]

Somewhat inspired by the keying for Kara thread - which has raised a lot of interest in instancing - I thought it'd be a good idea to talk briefly about our short-termish plans and see if they overlap. My own focus will mostly be the end-gamey stuff, but if you need Zul or the Hinterlands, or what have you, this is the place to let everybody know.

So, I preface this with: Greensong is once again a certified animistic medical professional, and will be more than happy to heal whatever you need me to. I can also sort of play fifth man in my dps set, but my damage is not something to write home about.

Anyway, Greensong's plans in no particular order:

1) Keying. Still need BM, Arc, SV. See other thread.

2) Battlegrounds - I want to start buying up some of the better PVP pieces, like the awesome healer ring and necklace, and my 70 trinket. When not popping Earth Shield on my tank and making a sandwich, this is probably where I'll be. If anybody wants to play the dpsbot to my healbot - or if we can get a few people together - it'll be that much more fun.

3) Sha'tar - I need to rep up to Revered in order to get the Alchemist's Stone recipe (whereupon it'll be back to farmety-farm-farm). That means I'll want to do a LOT of Tempest Keep. It also means I need to hit 70 and get my flyer, which will likely be done within a day or two.

4) Sporeg'gar! I need Revered for my license to print money (doubly so now that I'm about to be a transmuter). These cute little guys don't like me quite enough yet. I'd be happy to go on any of the Coilfang runs or what have you (doubly so because Cenarion rep is always good), but in particular I realize I still need Underbog. Why? Because I was a dolt and messed up the Everlasting Underspore Frond quest by trying to take the quest item while my inventory was full and not realizing I didn't in fact have it. A genius is me!*

5) Ogri'la. I want to do the introductory quests shortly, for greater daily earning power! I know Snow and Grubs were working on these.. what's the good word?

*Ok, I have to ask - is there any quick way for Outfitter to automatically deposit a full set of gear I'm not using into the bank? I have awful inventory woes, because at any given time, I'm likely to be carrying multiple sets of armour and god knows how many trinkets, and going through all that crap manually is a pain.

[rwfloydjr]

Somewhat inspired by the keying for Kara thread - which has raised a lot of interest in instancing - I thought it'd be a good idea to talk briefly about our short-termish plans and see if they overlap. My own focus will mostly be the end-gamey stuff, but if you need Zul or the Hinterlands, or what have you, this is the place to let everybody know.

So, I preface this with: Greensong is once again a certified animistic medical professional, and will be more than happy to heal whatever you need me to. I can also sort of play fifth man in my dps set, but my damage is not something to write home about.

Anyway, Greensong's plans in no particular order:

1) Keying. Still need BM, Arc, SV. See other thread.

2) Battlegrounds - I want to start buying up some of the better PVP pieces, like the awesome healer ring and necklace, and my 70 trinket. When not popping Earth Shield on my tank and making a sandwich, this is probably where I'll be. If anybody wants to play the dpsbot to my healbot - or if we can get a few people together - it'll be that much more fun.

3) Sha'tar - I need to rep up to Revered in order to get the Alchemist's Stone recipe (whereupon it'll be back to farmety-farm-farm). That means I'll want to do a LOT of Tempest Keep. It also means I need to hit 70 and get my flyer, which will likely be done within a day or two.

4) Sporeg'gar! I need Revered for my license to print money (doubly so now that I'm about to be a transmuter). These cute little guys don't like me quite enough yet. I'd be happy to go on any of the Coilfang runs or what have you (doubly so because Cenarion rep is always good), but in particular I realize I still need Underbog. Why? Because I was a dolt and messed up the Everlasting Underspore Frond quest by trying to take the quest item while my inventory was full and not realizing I didn't in fact have it. A genius is me!*

5) Ogri'la. I want to do the introductory quests shortly, for greater daily earning power! I know Snow and Grubs were working on these.. what's the good word?

*Ok, I have to ask - is there any quick way for Outfitter to automatically deposit a full set of gear I'm not using into the bank? I have awful inventory woes, because at any given time, I'm likely to be carrying multiple sets of armour and god knows how many trinkets, and going through all that crap manually is a pain.


I am with you on 1 through 5. I also need SH and SL to get those reps up for heroics. I have actually done the Ogri'la intro quests and am doing some of the dailies up there, but I would be happy to help.

As far as outfitter goes, I haven't figured out how to do what you are asking, but I would sure like to. Let me know if you come up with anything.

[Morrius]

Continuing to grind my lowbie shaman and priest. :(

[brooksd01]

*Ok, I have to ask - is there any quick way for Outfitter to automatically deposit a full set of gear I'm not using into the bank? I have awful inventory woes, because at any given time, I'm likely to be carrying multiple sets of armour and god knows how many trinkets, and going through all that crap manually is a pain.

Yes, through the little button at the top of your character window. If you have your bank active you can click on an outfit and deposit or withdraw either the whole thing or any items unique to that set.

This very functionality is why I'm probably going to ditch the Ace mod I dropped outfitter for and go back... With four full sets + resist gear I have more than I can carry at one time on Dorahan, so this is nice functionality.

[barinthus]

Team Snowsnik finished the Ogri'Lalala intro chain last night, thanks to the help of a group of fabulous BSC. However, Snowmoon will be happy to help any other people who might need to finish these (Grubsnik is starting his student teaching this week, so we're not sure about his hours etc. yet).

As for instances: I would be happy to at least attempt tanking, I can't gaurantee perfection but I'll do in a pinch!

PvP: What are people doing these days for honor? AV? Eye of the Storm?

Anywho, even though I pop on sometimes throughout the day, I can't commit to anything major until after 9 p.m. CST (barring any unforseen baby quirks).

In short, I'll help where and when I can, just ask if you see me online! :D

[WalkingTarget]

Well, I'd like to get Vaargul to the point where he can go on heroic runs with people, but I'm not yet revered with any of the appropriate groups (I am honored with all of them at least). I still need to to Bot and Mech to get the Arcatraz key as well. I like scheduling things ahead of time, but I can drop in to DPS for anybody who needs me as long as things get started by 9pm or so (central) during the week. Weekends are wide open.

That and I need to go on more of the Kara runs, we'll see how much time I have after GenCon.

[Erstwhile]

Continuing to grind my lowbie shaman and priest. :(

heh, some of us are nothing but lowbies. :D

Short-term (as mentioned in my usual "state of Erstwhile's WoW" thread on Monday), I'm looking to run some instances - SM (2 quests) or RFK (just to get the Escort quest, and for giggles) for Mawezunu, RFK for Melvyn (hasn't been yet - plus, the Brutal Armour quest), in particular. Mel's a bit low for Gnomeregan at this point, but Mawezunu could be up for a return to Gnomer, too.

For that matter, Meriande is closing in on 15 so she might be up for Deadmines soon if there are any P&W lowbies around as well.

So, no...my plans don't really align with anybody. :D

[nonsense]

Yes, through the little button at the top of your character window. If you have your bank active you can click on an outfit and deposit or withdraw either the whole thing or any items unique to that set.

This very functionality is why I'm probably going to ditch the Ace mod I dropped outfitter for and go back... With four full sets + resist gear I have more than I can carry at one time on Dorahan, so this is nice functionality.

*bearhug*

PvP: What are people doing these days for honor? AV? Eye of the Storm?

Pretty much. AV is still probably the quickest honour, though I mostly go there only the bare minimum number of times I need to get marks. EotS and AB are pretty comparable as far as honour gain goes.

[nonsense]

I am with you on 1 through 5. I also need SH and SL to get those reps up for heroics. I have actually done the Ogri'la intro quests and am doing some of the dailies up there, but I would be happy to help.

As far as outfitter goes, I haven't figured out how to do what you are asking, but I would sure like to. Let me know if you come up with anything.

I'd also like to run SH a bunch of times (Shattered, not Sethekk... though I suppose I'd be happy to do Sethekk too). I'm pretty close to Revered with Thrallmar, and I'd like to push all the way into it, because they offer the Glyph I need.

Tonight, I intend to finish off the road to 70, get my bird, and then probably buy some more bag space to house my five mostly separate sets of gear (*ung*). And then, I mostly want to revel in my return to the BGs, which I've been neglecting most cruelly (unless I suppose we're doing the rest of the keying runs).

Starting this weekend or next week, I think I'll be on call. You need a docta, you just flash the Green-signal, and I'll fly on over.

[Jesse_Lowe]

Anyway, Greensong's plans in no particular order:

1) Keying. Still need BM, Arc, SV. See other thread.

2) Battlegrounds - I want to start buying up some of the better PVP pieces, like the awesome healer ring and necklace, and my 70 trinket. When not popping Earth Shield on my tank and making a sandwich, this is probably where I'll be. If anybody wants to play the dpsbot to my healbot - or if we can get a few people together - it'll be that much more fun.

3) Sha'tar - I need to rep up to Revered in order to get the Alchemist's Stone recipe (whereupon it'll be back to farmety-farm-farm). That means I'll want to do a LOT of Tempest Keep. It also means I need to hit 70 and get my flyer, which will likely be done within a day or two.

4) Sporeg'gar! I need Revered for my license to print money (doubly so now that I'm about to be a transmuter). These cute little guys don't like me quite enough yet. I'd be happy to go on any of the Coilfang runs or what have you (doubly so because Cenarion rep is always good), but in particular I realize I still need Underbog. Why? Because I was a dolt and messed up the Everlasting Underspore Frond quest by trying to take the quest item while my inventory was full and not realizing I didn't in fact have it. A genius is me!*

5) Ogri'la. I want to do the introductory quests shortly, for greater daily earning power! I know Snow and Grubs were working on these.. what's the good word?

I also have 1-3, and 5; and a truck load of group quests that need doing in Shadowmoon Valley and Blade's Edge Mountains. I also need to rack up my Sha'tar Skyguard rep.

[hkgirl91]

3) Sha'tar - I need to rep up to Revered in order to get the Alchemist's Stone recipe (whereupon it'll be back to farmety-farm-farm). That means I'll want to do a LOT of Tempest Keep. It also means I need to hit 70 and get my flyer, which will likely be done within a day or two.

4) Sporeg'gar! I need Revered for my license to print money (doubly so now that I'm about to be a transmuter). These cute little guys don't like me quite enough yet. I'd be happy to go on any of the Coilfang runs or what have you (doubly so because Cenarion rep is always good), but in particular I realize I still need Underbog. Why? Because I was a dolt and messed up the Everlasting Underspore Frond quest by trying to take the quest item while my inventory was full and not realizing I didn't in fact have it. A genius is me!*


Zula needs rep from the same folks for the same reasons. I rather suspect Gralgh might, as well, since he, too, is herb/alc. I suppose she needs to farm motes, too.

Zula also needs Underbog. Perhaps we can run that tonight if Kara and GenCon suck away all the toonpower for a Kara keying run? I'll probably be home around 7:30-8 server time.

[nonsense]

Zula needs rep from the same folks for the same reasons. I rather suspect Gralgh might, as well, since he, too, is herb/alc. I suppose she needs to farm motes, too.

Zula also needs Underbog. Perhaps we can run that tonight if Kara and GenCon suck away all the toonpower for a Kara keying run? I'll probably be home around 7:30-8 server time.

Sounds possible-ish, depending on start time. Underbog is a little long.

[Just Me]

I will do this too, but I found for spore guys the easiest way for me was to kill the naga. 750 rep for 24 kills. And loot! The friends still quest or something like that.

To add a few things to the list for things I would like to do.

1. Eventually run every instance at least once.
2. Expand on PVP gear with Arena gear. Get a team together(or two or three however it works out) and kill people!

[nonsense]

I will do this to, but I found for spore guys the easiest way for me was to kill the naga. 750 rep for 24 kills. And loot! The friends still quest or something like that.

Yeah, I'll probably do that too, though I generally prefer going the instance route. It's more fun, and kill quests aren't really the most phenomenally entertaining thing in the world for the heal-specced. :)

[Mr. Horrible]

General caveat: I log in around 10:30-11 pm server time (after the kid goes to bed), which is too late to do things with most of our crew. That said ....

- I'm always happy to heal for any instance run or group quest.

- Right now, I'm mostly interested in running heroics. Two reasons:
1) I have a few fairly nice tailoring patterns that require primal nethers.
2) I like the 5-man instances, and I have yet to try a heroic.

My plan is eventually to make Whitemend Pants (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=24261) for any Blacksky member who wants them. All the mats are purchasable (if expensive), except for the BoP nethers.

[Just Me]

Yeah, I'll probably do that too, though I generally prefer going the instance route. It's more fun, and kill quests aren't really the most phenomenally entertaining thing in the world for the heal-specced. :)

True. But throw a DPS, say a rogue, in the mix and it is FAST!!!!


HINT HINT

[nonsense]

Oh! Yes.

Arena.

That's another thing I want to do, but it might be best saved for another thread. Suffice it to say, I too enjoy killerizing (or healerizing, as the case may be).

[nonsense]

True. But throw a DPS, say a rogue, in the mix and it is FAST!!!!


HINT HINT

I think I see where you're going with this!

[rwfloydjr]

I'd also like to run SH a bunch of times (Shattered, not Sethekk... though I suppose I'd be happy to do Sethekk too). I'm pretty close to Revered with Thrallmar, and I'd like to push all the way into it, because they offer the Glyph I need.

Tonight, I intend to finish off the road to 70, get my bird, and then probably buy some more bag space to house my five mostly separate sets of gear (*ung*). And then, I mostly want to revel in my return to the BGs, which I've been neglecting most cruelly (unless I suppose we're doing the rest of the keying runs).

Starting this weekend or next week, I think I'll be on call. You need a docta, you just flash the Green-signal, and I'll fly on over.

Yeah, I meant SHattered not Sethekk as well.

[nonsense]

Yeah, I meant SHattered not Sethekk as well.

Does Sethekk have a community-approved acronym? It's all so confusing.

[Bradford C. Walker]

For Savar, it's two-fold complicated by the fact that my main is on another server.

#1: Finish Deathholme & the troll quests.
#2: Get his Blood-Tempered Ranseur.

My main, Zuraiza, is on Steamwheedle Cartel and my guild there is working on lots of keys. Right now, that's Karazhan, the Arcatraz and various Heroics. (Specifically, the Coilfang key so we can actually do any Heroics as a guild.) Taking time away from it is tricky, so I'd have to schedule in advance to work on Savar.

[hkgirl91]

I think I see where you're going with this!

How about adding a second, pet-equipped DPS?

Especially if we can't find a tank for Underbog or Steamvaults.*

I'm sure it won't take long at all to rip through the 2-dozen naga several times over that way. Only issue is the xp loss for your shammy.

*How long is steamvaults? Is it too hard for a group w/a few non-70s to handle? I know we can do a quick & dirty just to get the key in very little time, but that makes more sense when everyone is 70 and have flyers and can move right along to the rest of it. When there's a few 69s who might actually ding during SV, a full run sure sounds like a good idea to me. (But I know nothing about the instance, so maybe it isn't.)

**Also, like Just_Me, I want to run all the instances. I've run ramparts, blood furnace, crypts, mana tombs, and shadow lab so far.

[nonsense]

How about adding a second, pet-equipped DPS?

Especially if we can't find a tank for Underbog or Steamvaults.*


That sounds like a pretty good idea. With the three of us, we could pretty much tear through the quest three or four times before the dust clears.. and it also plays more nicely with my time zone.

I think we might have to see what's happening tonight, because I know Durnt in particular is pushing pretty hard to get the Kara key done. SV and Arcatraz are on the menu shortly, and I wouldn't be too surprised if a run materializes.

That said, I'm not really down for the 15-minute keying speed run. For one thing, I want to see the instance. For another, I want to run it as many times as it takes to get the Fathomheart Gauntlets from the last boss. :D

[hkgirl91]

I think we might have to see what's happening tonight, because I know Durnt in particular is pushing pretty hard to get the Kara key done. SV and Arcatraz are on the menu shortly, and I wouldn't be too surprised if a run materializes.

That said, I'm not really down for the 15-minute keying speed run. For one thing, I want to see the instance. For another, I want to run it as many times as it takes to get the Fathomheart Gauntlets from the last boss. :D

I'm with you on that.

The whole point of the quick & dirty is to move on to Arc for the 3rd fragment and then head to Black Morass to finish the keying process in a single session which lasts no longer than a medium-long instance.

But when 2 of the folk wanting keys aren't 70 yet, that doesn't work out so well. But a full SV run might be enough xp to get you and Durnt to 70 -- it'll definitely get you both closer. And unless Durnt isn't on tonight we'll have 3 dps and a healer, so we'd only need a tank.

So maybe we should plan to meet up in Zangar -- we can try to put together a group for SV, and if we can't get a full group, we can go with the Blacksky Alchemists Union naga genocide plan instead.

[brooksd01]

That sounds like a pretty good idea. With the three of us, we could pretty much tear through the quest three or four times before the dust clears.. and it also plays more nicely with my time zone.

I think we might have to see what's happening tonight, because I know Durnt in particular is pushing pretty hard to get the Kara key done. SV and Arcatraz are on the menu shortly, and I wouldn't be too surprised if a run materializes.

That said, I'm not really down for the 15-minute keying speed run. For one thing, I want to see the instance. For another, I want to run it as many times as it takes to get the Fathomheart Gauntlets from the last boss. :D

I'd advise doing the "speed" keying run with as many people that need it. The point isn't getting to the SV key - it's getting both fragments and BM as one big run (takes about the time a single SV or Arc run takes).

There are almost always people willing to run the 70s instances, so you'll get to see them all, but it's enough of a pain to get all three full runs together than it's nice to burn through the whole key thing while you can and do the "sight seeing" runs at your convenience. Also Black Morass runs can be a bit harder to get together since it's so far out of the way and you usually get revered one run after successfully completing BM (8k rep for that one quest).

If I'm not needed in Kara tonight on Raj or Dorahan I'd be happy to tank or heal a key run (I'm willing to let someone else have my spot since I got to go 3 times last week). Besides, It's been a couple of weeks since I respeced Dora and tanked something - so he's starting to get all itchy....

Edit: I'd also tank / heal any run if we don't have a key run going - but would prefer SL / SH / TK on Rajavi for rep is it's just a regular run, or underbog with Gulaji if that's on the table.

[nonsense]

But when 2 of the folk wanting keys aren't 70 yet, that doesn't work out so well. But a full SV run might be enough xp to get you and Durnt to 70 -- it'll definitely get you both closer. And unless Durnt isn't on tonight we'll have 3 dps and a healer, so we'd only need a tank.

I'm a bubble - maybe two - away. There's a good chance I'll be 70 before you western folk come online. :)

[Peter LaCara]

Oh! Yes.

Arena.

That's another thing I want to do, but it might be best saved for another thread. Suffice it to say, I too enjoy killerizing (or healerizing, as the case may be).

Well, the Blacksky Legal Team (the 3v3 squad) is all full, but the Blacksky War Council (the 5v5 team) has plenty of room left. I have a 2v2 team with a spot left open, and I'm pretty sure the other BSC 2v2 team has a spot open too. So there has been arenaing going on, and the more interested people we can find, the more often we can play 5v5, which is the format we're weakest in because of lack of practice.

As for me, I really need to get a group together to knock out the last intro quest for the Netherwing chain. You don't need epic riding skill to get to the point where I am, and people who have started the netherwing chain can't help with this quest. I really want to get this out of the way, so I can start making cash hand over fist by throwing boots at lazy peons from the back of my wyvern.

Also, I want to get Exalted with every faction that I can for the enchants they're introducing next patch. I'm revered with just about everybody, and I'm only 4-8k rep away on most of them (except Thrallmar and Keepers of Time), so I will run any instance you care to name. Especially if it's Heroic.

[IceShadow]

I want to get into 25-man raid content, and do at LEAST two kara groups per week on a regular basis.

[Random Nerd]

I want...

1: To get a decent slow offhand (http://www.thottbot.com/i31965), which are rarer than hen's teeth in epic nonsword.

2: To fight Nightbane. Been on successful runs of all Kara bosses but him.

3: To do Gruul.

4: To start on that upcoming troll raid thing.

5: To get keyed for Heroic SH, and to do all the heroics at least once successfully.

6: The Decapitator (http://www.thottbot.com/i28767).

[Jigglypuff]

As many of you know I'm very Fickle and my plans change from day to day, even sometimes moment to moment. However I can give you an idea of what pops into my mind.

I'd like to get a better weapon for Hutch even if I have to change to fury to do it.(Kara has been Unkind as of late). Dps plate is also sparse there.
Maybe try and arena team since I've never done it.
Get back into pvp in general.
Gruul would be nice to see.
Get my shaman geared, and keyed for karazhan (maybe switch him to healing since I like doing that.

I hope that the up coming patch adds the Heroic Badges to Karazhan (I think it's the zulaman patch that's going to do it though). I really have little interest in heroics mainly because they ten to be the same thing as normal with some epic gear thrown in at the end. Besides I don't know where hutch fits in heroics since he can't tank them.

[nonsense]

Quick update on keying: Durnt, Zul and I did a full clear of Steamvaults* yesterday under the watchful eye of Dorahan. Now all that remains is for Durnt to hit 70 and get his flyer, and then we're Arcatraz-bound.

Also: I'm looking for another group to Crypts at some point, because it turns out I have two quests to kill Maladaar (and LC rep's always good). I'd also like to do Mana Tombs at some point, because I haven't yet.


*(hurray for my improbable luck with healing drops! Fathomheart Gauntlets and Harness of Deep Currents in two nights!)

[brooksd01]

Quick update on keying: Durnt, Zul and I did a full clear of Steamvaults* yesterday under the watchful eye of Dorahan. Now all that remains is for Durnt to hit 70 and get his flyer, and then we're Arcatraz-bound.

My record shortest time as a feral... /sigh I really wish one of my other post-60s was a healer, or we had more raid healers. I do enjoy healing - but I'm much more of a feral druid at heart. Maybe I should start working on my pally or priest, but I'm not sure I want to do 30-58 again... guess I could level another druid :D.

Also: I'm looking for another group to Crypts at some point, because it turns out I have two quests to kill Maladaar (and LC rep's always good). I'd also like to do Mana Tombs at some point, because I haven't yet.


*(hurray for my improbable luck with healing drops! Fathomheart Gauntlets and Harness of Deep Currents in two nights!)

Gulaji is up for either of these, and I'd very much like to do Sethekk Halls and Underbog with him as well.

[nonsense]

My record shortest time as a feral... /sigh I really wish one of my other post-60s was a healer, or we had more raid healers. I do enjoy healing - but I'm much more of a feral druid at heart. Maybe I should start working on my pally or priest, but I'm not sure I want to do 30-58 again... guess I could level another druid :D.

Your priest is in his 40s already, no? I won't lie and say those levels go QUICKLY, but you do at least get past the pre-mount Hello-Barrens-Chat stage.

And fwiw, Greensong is intended to be pretty much full-time healer. So our numbers are growing. :)



Gulaji is up for either of these, and I'd very much like to do Sethekk Halls and Underbog with him as well.

Kickass. I've never done Sethekk either... and I hear it's a fun one.

[brooksd01]

Your priest is in his 40s already, no? I won't lie and say those levels go QUICKLY, but you do at least get past the pre-mount Hello-Barrens-Chat stage.

Priest is in his teens, Shaman is 21, Pally is 26 or so... I have a start, but a *long* way to go on any of them.

I'll probably get back to my pally eventually. The problem is I don't really like soloing all that much on a pally. Love grouping, but there is *so* much solo content in that range...

[davidb]

Alicja is L52 Holy Paladin, no rested bonus at this time. My objective is to hit L58 by the end of August and start questing in Outlands. I've been tracking my progress and I'm good for 3-4 levels per week playing in my casual manner (< 20hrs/week). I've been playing for an extra 1-2 hrs a day on extended lunch breaks at an internet cafe, but that won't continue for much longer...I'll be stuck to 2-3 nights a week when I hit Outlands.

I've got all my professisons, except for fishing, to 300+ already. Fishing is at Artisan level and is less of a priority to raise.

I'm guessing I can accomplish this by Sept 1/2 and will immediately start with some Hellfire Ramparts runs to gear up, once I'm at Friendly or a good way to Honoured I'll start the quests.

I've given up on 50s zones in Azeroth, they take too long to run and are hard to get groups for (without asking for cheese) and frankly I can grind the XP faster. My hunter did the 5 mans enough (although strangely never Dire Maul).

When I hit 60, I might request a L70 help me get my epic land mount. I'll need a small amount of help in Dire Maul and Scholo (or is it Strat?).

My long term objective is to be Kara-ready by November 1st. I will decide upon my final spec (Prot or Holy Paladin) mid-October when we have a sense what the guild needs most -- healers or tanks. I'd prefer to remain Holy if there's no specific demands.

[hkgirl91]

And fwiw, Greensong is intended to be pretty much full-time healer. So our numbers are growing. :)


I have a pally at 34, a druid at 24, a priest at 22, a mage at 26, and a 'lock at 17.

Of the heal-capable classes, I liked healing with the priest best so far.

I want to try tanking with my pally, and I want to level her so I can learn more nifty JC patterns. I want to continue exploring various roles with the druid.

I'll probably continue to concentrate on Zula 'til she gets the gold for the epic flyer, and gets alc specialization done and gets enough Sha'tar rep to get the alchemist stone recipe.

After that I'll either level the pally or level whichever alt can get instance groups.

[Cassandra]

I should be approaching 70 with my paladin in the next few weeks. Not much of a healer though since I intend to continue with my Retribution spec. :)

[IceShadow]

My long term objective is to be Kara-ready by November 1st. I will decide upon my final spec (Prot or Holy Paladin) mid-October when we have a sense what the guild needs most -- healers or tanks. I'd prefer to remain Holy if there's no specific demands.

It's been very rare that we haven't had enough tanks for anything; we have two full prot warriors (me and Megrogg), at least two full prot pallies (Sunstrider and Mailen), and Caulun can tank as well. Dora can also do it (:o), and we have at LEAST four other warriors who can tank (which I define as having a tanking set and 3/3 Defiance).

Healing is a bit rougher, but as evidenced last night when we had five (!) healing-capable and kara keyed people available to go, it might not be an issue for much longer.

So you may be able to spec for either, or get sets for both, and decide on a run-by-run basis, or just pick which one you like doing more. :D

[Peter LaCara]

Maybe try and arena team since I've never done it.
Get back into pvp in general.


Dude. Get yourself into the bslegal channel stat. Do you know what we say almost every time we start a 5v5 match? "Man, I sure wish Hutch still PvP'd. He'd be awesome on this team."

No joke.

[Mengtzu]

My objective would be to find an extra eight or so hours a week to poke my head back in Hordeside. I'd like to get Yingzheng to 70 sometime before Lich King :)

[davidb]

It's been very rare that we haven't had enough tanks for anything; we have two full prot warriors (me and Megrogg), at least two full prot pallies (Sunstrider and Mailen), and Caulun can tank as well. Dora can also do it (:o), and we have at LEAST four other warriors who can tank (which I define as having a tanking set and 3/3 Defiance).

Healing is a bit rougher, but as evidenced last night when we had five (!) healing-capable and kara keyed people available to go, it might not be an issue for much longer.

So you may be able to spec for either, or get sets for both, and decide on a run-by-run basis, or just pick which one you like doing more. :D

I've been leveling as holy (yes I'm a glutton for punishment) so I know that spec alot better, I'll stick with what I know.

There seems to be a bulge of paladins in the 50s (there's about 5 of us), all consistently leveling higher but to my knowledge I'm the only holy spec right now.

A guild with no deficit of healers or tanks is a foreign concept to me. Next you'll be telling me we're short on hunters...

[Morrius]

I find that I do most of my WoWing on the weekends, but hopefully I'll have more time soon. My boss is on vacation for the next two weeks, and after that I'm on vacation for another week. I picked up a tiny little portable mouse for my laptop and a USB headset cheap. Also, I have no life.

My 48 Shaman can certainly heal pretty competently at the higher levels, but I wonder if he could off-tank as well?

[brooksd01]

I find that I do most of my WoWing on the weekends, but hopefully I'll have more time soon. My boss is on vacation for the next two weeks, and after that I'm on vacation for another week. I picked up a tiny little portable mouse for my laptop and a USB headset cheap. Also, I have no life.

My 48 Shaman can certainly heal pretty competently at the higher levels, but I wonder if he could off-tank as well?

Unfortunately you're about at the end of the levels you can tank much. The difference between stats on mail and plate gear gets a little too extreme from here on out.

[nonsense]

So, a question: now that Greensong's 70, what are we in greater need of? Another druid, or a mage?

[nonsense]

Unfortunately you're about at the end of the levels you can tank much. The difference between stats on mail and plate gear gets a little too extreme from here on out.

Even with a phenomenal healer backing you, the other problem is threat generation. Shammies can only hold threat through Frost Shock (it's gone from the Rockbiter imbue), and as fights get longer, that means you're drinking after every pull... if you're lucky enough that mana doesn't peter out half-way through.

Resto can actually healtank a little with Earth Shield, self-heals and Frost Shock, but the same mana problem applies... it should have sufficient survivability for single-target tanking in most pre-raid content, though of course having your healer tank is.. um... let's be kind and call it unorthodox.

[Mr. Horrible]

A guild with no deficit of healers or tanks is a foreign concept to me. Next you'll be telling me we're short on hunters...

No no.

Rogues and mages. (http://www.iceshadow.com/wow/index.php?s=class)

:D

[hkgirl91]

No no.

Rogues and mages. (http://www.iceshadow.com/wow/index.php?s=class)

:D

Although a month or two ago there weren't so many hunters at 70, either.

[hkgirl91]

So, a question: now that Greensong's 70, what are we in greater need of? Another druid, or a mage?

Whatever is the most fun for you to level -- if they aren't already in Outland, their grand final pre-lichking ding will come along far enough into the future that the guild's 70 composition could change significantly.

Or at least that's the case for my passel of alts, the highest of which is in the low-mid 30s.

I'm currently intending to level my pally first so I can level jewelcrafting, but most likely I'll get distracted an level whoever can get the most instances.

As for keying...I suppose I'll bump that thread (http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?t=348587&page=2) -- did the quick & dirty arc run last night with Snowmoon, Liissa, Durnt, and Dorok. I'm one Black Morass run away from my key!

[davidb]

I find that I do most of my WoWing on the weekends, but hopefully I'll have more time soon. My boss is on vacation for the next two weeks, and after that I'm on vacation for another week. I picked up a tiny little portable mouse for my laptop and a USB headset cheap. Also, I have no life.

My 48 Shaman can certainly heal pretty competently at the higher levels, but I wonder if he could off-tank as well?

Although other posters are right -- you are fighting an uphill battle here -- there was a good post on WoWinsider today about end-game as an enhancement shaman.

http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/08/17/how-to-raid-karazhan-as-an-enchancement-shaman/

Just as you don't see many ret paladins, survival hunters, or disc priests in end-game raids, shaman are similarly limited... but its your game, here's a guide at what you could try to do.

[nonsense]

Although other posters are right -- you are fighting an uphill battle here -- there was a good post on WoWinsider today about end-game as an enhancement shaman.

http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/08/17/how-to-raid-karazhan-as-an-enchancement-shaman/

Just as you don't see many ret paladins, survival hunters, or disc priests in end-game raids, shaman are similarly limited... but its your game, here's a guide at what you could try to do.

I think the reasons you don't see many enhancement shamans raiding have more to do with a) low shaman population, and b) low healer population than anything else. Enhancement's an excellent raiding spec (albeit one that mostly shines when you have a lot of melee dps, which we don't). Unleashed Rage + WF totem are huge for a melee-heavy group.

Survival's actually a pretty good raiding spec too, but requires some crazy gear to get there. :)

[hkgirl91]

Survival's actually a pretty good raiding spec too, but requires some crazy gear to get there. :)

Hush!

I already caught Dora's altitis. I don't need to take on his respec fever, too!!!!

:D

Well....

Not on my hunter. She has to get her epic flyer and farm gold to make my alts crafting lives easier. Plus I'm quite attached to the current pet and to the Big Red Angry. Somehow I suspect the pally, druid, or priest will fall prey if they get to end-game, though.

[nonsense]

Hush!

I already caught Dora's altitis. I don't need to take on his respec fever, too!!!!

:D


I wouldn't worry too much. Apparently you need somewhere in the realm of 800 agility for Survival to outperform the other two. :)

[davidb]

I wouldn't worry too much. Apparently you need somewhere in the realm of 800 agility for Survival to outperform the other two. :)

To reliably build up a gear set of ~ 750-800 agility to make Survival a strong end-game raid spec, you need to be consistently raiding to get the gear...which implies raiding as marksman or beastmaster, which kind of defeats the purpose.

Survival makes a hunter harder to kill and gives them more 'outs' from sticky situations...which makes it good for PvP. But it minimizes their role as a DPS class and I just can't see playing a hunter for any other reason...

[IceShadow]

You could raid as BM or MM and then swap over once you get the gear, too.

And enh shammies are AWESOME at melee DPS, at least through Kara (and thus my experience with them). They're actually mainly limited by agg generation as they have no innate reduction, and the talent only gives...15% I think (as opposed to a rogue's...20%, innate, I think). But put a Salv on him and watch him go to town and compete with DPS classes for DPS in addition to the totems adding to their group's DPS...

[nonsense]

You could raid as BM or MM and then swap over once you get the gear, too.


Yeah.

From what I understand, Survival has very competitive dps at gear levels that high, in addition to very high frequent crits cutting down mana use and Expose Weakness scaling very well with the increased Agi (increased further by a 15% stat boost talent). And EW is a raidwide debuff.

[brooksd01]

I wouldn't worry too much. Apparently you need somewhere in the realm of 800 agility for Survival to outperform the other two. :)

That's roughly the theorycraft I've heard, but even way before this a Surv hunter can put out some solid DPS with a *lot* of extra utility. Being able to chain trap until the cows come home is quite good by itself, and Wyvern Sting is a nice little ability as well.

I'm actually looking at a marks/surv hybrid for my hunter for a more PvP oriented build. BM has been nice, but need my Scatter shot back..

The question at this point is if it's 40/21/0, 1x/4x/3, or 0/2x/3x.

[nonsense]

That's roughly the theorycraft I've heard, but even way before this a Surv hunter can put out some solid DPS with a *lot* of extra utility. Being able to chain trap until the cows come home is quite good by itself, and Wyvern Sting is a nice little ability as well.



I don't think it's any exaggeration to say Survival-specced hunters are the game's best crowd control. A renewable CC that works on all mob types is incredible.

[IceShadow]

This talk of survival hunters doing good DPS both intrigues and pleases me, as I like hearing that specs have viability I was unaware of.

They'd still be shooting a bow? Or would this actually be a raid-viable melee hunter spec?

[nonsense]

Or would this actually be a raid-viable melee hunter spec?

Oh no, no. They're DEFINITELY attacking from range.

[hkgirl91]

This talk of survival hunters doing good DPS both intrigues and pleases me, as I like hearing that specs have viability I was unaware of.

They'd still be shooting a bow? Or would this actually be a raid-viable melee hunter spec?

I still think I'll reserve respec fever for my hybrid class alts. At least until I've seen a few more of Gulaji's respecs in action. Besides, I need to get instancing and raiding down with the current spec before I worry about anything else.

Oh. Another goal of mine -- a full stable of pets. I'll probably go tame lots of stuff to learn the highest level rank or two of every learnable skill just to be completist. And then pick some to keep alongside my tiger.

[brooksd01]

This talk of survival hunters doing good DPS both intrigues and pleases me, as I like hearing that specs have viability I was unaware of.

They'd still be shooting a bow? Or would this actually be a raid-viable melee hunter spec?

Yep, still ranged - you skip the "melee hunter" talents for the good stuff :D.

You'll like this one:


Expose Weakness – rank 3/3 (Your ranged criticals have a 10/20/30% chance to apply an Expose Weakness effect to the target. Expose Weakness increases the Attack Power of all attackers against that target by 25% of your Agility for 7 sec.)


Which synergizes nicely with:


Master Tactician – rank 5/5 (Your successful ranged attack have a 6% chance to increase your critical strike chance with all attacks by 2/4/6/8/10% for 8 sec.)



Also talents that increase freeze trap time by 30% and decrease it's cooldown by 6 seconds - which gives you 100% trap coverage. Wyvern sting is the 31 pointer and is a 12 sec sleep with dot on breaking on a 2min CD.

My current problem is finding room for all the good stuff in the tree while still getting scattershot (which I've found is a requirement for me after not having it in my current BM build).

[Morrius]

Thanks for the link on raiding as a shaman. Does anyone have that tool that compares shaman weapon buffs for certain weapons? (Windfury v. Rockbiter, etc.)

[Random Nerd]

Thanks for the link on raiding as a shaman. Does anyone have that tool that compares shaman weapon buffs for certain weapons? (Windfury v. Rockbiter, etc.)

That's a tricky one.

Depending on your gear, either windfury or rockbiter may be the proper choice for your offhand.

If you have good AP and crit, and your weapons are both slow, double-WF can be viable.

If you're dressed mainly in greens and blues, and you have moderately fast weapons, I suggest WF/Rockbiter.


Oh, and there is one other factor. If you're in good gear, and have two slow weapons with WF on them, your agg generation will be pretty spikey. If you don't have a paladin for Blessing of Salvation, this can be bad.


Edit: Oh, and as far as addons go... don't fully rely on them. They can tell you what sort of damage you might do in either situation, but there're other factors that they won't know.