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SilentMan
09-28-2007, 01:30 AM
In Empires Trilogy, Yamun Khahan with army 200.000 invaded Shou-Lung and subsequently waged war agains western nations of the Forgotten Realms.
Could the following strategy work ?
Step-1: High-level wizard casts protective spells on himself. He teleports somewhere near Tuigan Army.
Step-2:The wizard flies high above Tuigan army (with the use of Fly or its variant)
Step-3: The wizard attacks Tuigan army with potent offensive spells.
Step-4:The wizard starts to run out of spells.He plane shifts to another world.
Step-5:In this alternate reality time passes at different rate(see Planes:erratic time).The wizard stays there a full day, resting, memorizing spells, etc. On Toril only one round has passed.
Step-6:The wizard, fully rested, plane shifts back to Faerun and attacks Tuigan Army again, protected by defensive spells.
Step-7: Repeat as often as needed.
Tuigan canīt reach him,they canīt escape and they canīt kill him with arrows or spells (depending on how powerful Tuigan shamans were).
Could all of this work ? It would take the wizard a year of subjective time but still...
If it canīt work is there any way it could be made work.
How will political leaders react if one wizard defeated Tuigan army ?
Bogie
09-28-2007, 06:44 AM
No high level wizards to counter him? Do they have any special units on flying mounts that could counter attack (Pegasus Corps, Gryphon Riders, etc.)?
zombie-a-go-go
09-28-2007, 07:22 AM
Could all of this work ? It would take the wizard a year of subjective time but still...
If it canīt work is there any way it could be made work.
How will political leaders react if one wizard defeated Tuigan army ?
Only if none of the Tuigan can throw down a Dimensional Anchor.
Or Summon/Gate/Call something that can throw down the Dimensional Anchor.
Also keep in mind that it's doubtful any army isn't going to have their own magi/clerics divining what's going to happen to them before they commit their forces to anything, so the likelihood of having a D.A. ready is greatly increased.
Broblawsky0
09-28-2007, 09:33 AM
First, you're thinking of Flowing Time, not Erratic Time. With Erratic Time, the amount of time that passes between planes is random - so he might be able to pull off that trick once, but it's just as likely to work the other way - he might end up spending 1 day of Prime Material Time in the alternate dimension per round of time he spends in the Alternate reality, so the (minimum) 9 hours of time becomes 5400 days, or about 15 years. That's not a very reliable tactic.
Given that he's using a "flowing time" plane, which one is he going to use? To the best of my knowledge, there's only one of them that's semi-accessible in the 3.5e Manual of the Planes: the Far Realm. The Far Realm doesn't exist in Faerun, and moreover has an extremely hostile environment: spend much time there and you're likely to wind up irreversibly insane or eaten by an Uuvudaum, a Neh-Thallgu, or Cthulhu.
SilentMan
09-28-2007, 10:21 AM
First, you're thinking of Flowing Time, not Erratic Time.
I stand corrected, thank you.
To the best of my knowledge, there's only one of them that's semi-accessible in the 3.5e Manual of the Planes: the Far Realm.
If you say so.I have several novels and a few game products but not the 3.5e Manual of the Planes: the Far Realm.
This is idea is not part of any game i am participating in but simply a thought experiment i made when in was reading d20 System Reference Document.
It would not be terribly exciting in a novel if one wizard with the right combination of spells and items could curbstomp everyone he meets unless they have just the right combination of countermeasures.
It just that according to novelists Elminster could not defeat Tuigan Horde alone and same applies to Alustriel/Obouldīs army situation.
It is generally agreed that high-level party could destroy a town.
What if under right circumstances a high-level wizard can slay every soldier in every army he meets ? How will that affect Faerun ?
And yes, i have considered the possibility of other wizards interfering.
How will it affect Faerun, in particular? Not much. There are already a dozen mages that can slay small-to-medium armies single-handedly. And, yet, there are other PC-quality people that can single-handedly kill those mages.
Faerun is a weird setting that way. It's not balanced in the terms of no one having the ability to upset the applecart. It's balanced in that lots of people have the ability to upset the applecart. It's not at all rare for that applecart to get tossed to the winds (q.v., the various Time of Troubles-style events). As has been pointed out in a couple Elminster-hating threads, there's a reason that Elminster is asking you (the PCs) to save the world, instead of just doing it himself. And that's because Elminster is already saving the world from three other threats that you can't handle.
The level of power you need to have to register as a blip on the radar in the Realms is pretty huge. And, yet, lots of people have it. And then outfit their armies with it. Who run into other people with huge amounts of power. Somebody gets killed, and their stuff gets taken. Whether or not that "saves the world" depends on your point of view.
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