Teach me about Warhammer

[L'Puff]

So, I'm looking into Warhammer. I'm giving in. Now, I need help curing my inability to settle on a group. High Elves, Tomb Kings, what?
~L'Puff

[Rythian]

They are both good armies. I personally don't like the High Elves, because they are pasty faced panzy's (oh and I'm a Dark Elf player, who are way cooler btw). Tomb Kings are slow, and probably not the best starter army, unless you can deal with some tedium learning how to play them. If you do want to give the TK a try, next you are in Milwaukee, I have a small force 2-3K. I always suggest looking at the models and some painted stuff in WD and in reality, if you like the look of your army on the field, you will play it longer, IMHO. Also look into the fluff, ask questions. I think it's too much money being invested to be hasty with.

Hoo

[L'Puff]

And that's why I'm asking here. I want to play SOMETHING, I was looking at the Wahammer site and was like "oooh, want to play that, and that, and that....."
Almost all of them look good to me.
I like the Egyptian look of the Tomb Kings, but I don't want to work with that much tedium. (I'd end up getting anal retentive over the paint job)
~L'Puff

[Front Toward Everybody]

Based on your demeanor and interests, I'd say either High or Wood Elves.

They are like the Unicorn Clan of the Warhammer World. High Elves will rock your face with magic.

You would have an opponent downstairs who could rock your face with great cannon and heavy cavalry.

-Andrew

[L'Puff]

But I am also a Crane player. And Blood Bonnie McGee player in 7th sea. Pantera Tribe in 100 kingdoms.

Unicorn Clan is too easy to play.

[Brass Monkey]

Go with skaven. sure, they are weak individually. but look how MANY there are! numbers combined with cool little toys like the ratlingun and posion wind globes, not to mention jezzail rifles and tunneling teams.

Skaven rock you with numbers and nasty suprises.

[Rythian]

The High Elves are a good army, the have Repeater Bolt Throwers, Great Cav, and powerful magic. They have heavy cav as core. They are strong, I'll leave it at that. If you're down in Milw again, talk to Tyrendell, he has the Helf's and Welf's, I'm sure he'd let you take them for a test drive. Tyr is a really good Welf player.

Hoo

[Rythian]

Originally posted by L'Puff
But I am also a Crane player. And Blood Bonnie McGee player in 7th sea. Pantera Tribe in 100 kingdoms.

Unicorn Clan is too easy to play.

With the Crane and Unicorn references do you mean L5R (CCG or RPG), or Clan Wars (Mini's). Just getting reference. Have you played a lot of table top war games before?

Hoo

[Front Toward Everybody]

Well, like I said on the phone, if you want to have an excuse to paint every guy in your core units differently, go bretonnia!

-Andrew

[Tyrendell]

High Elfs are a decent starter army. With them, it's all about support. Their units need to support each other, & don't be afraid to use magic!

Wood Elves, I can't stress enough, SHOOT!!!

Block movement, slow down your opponent & SHOOT!!!!

:D

[Front Toward Everybody]

I think she's leaning towards bretonnia. Which is just dandy, some of the new models are spectacular.

A thing for the newbie to be mindful of, more than other armies they have a dominating central tactic that you cant deviate too far from (though it looks like the new edition might add some flexibility): crush them under your hooves!

-Andrew

[L'Puff]

This is going to be my first REAL foray into table top gaming if Clixs don't count.
The Bretonians ROCK! Althought, the vampire counts are calling my name too.

[Front Toward Everybody]

Originally posted by L'Puff
This is going to be my first REAL foray into table top gaming if Clixs don't count.
The Bretonians ROCK! Althought, the vampire counts are calling my name too.

A word of caution. Not that I'm trying to scare you off them, I'd love playing against them, too, but:

Painting scores of zombies and skelletons.

-Andrew

[L'Puff]

I take it back, I'm reading about the lady's blessing.
Bretonians it is.

[Harbinger]

the Tomb Kings are awesome. I love my skeletons. They are a good reliable, consistant army that mostly does what you want when you want.

Immune to psychology means they don't run away when you need them to hold a line.
Reliable magic gives you no miscasts. (stupid Dark Elf Sorceress blowing herself up on turn 1. grumble, grumble)
Really good archery.
Egyptians undead look cool as hell.
The screaming Skull catapult is an awesome model, and effective as well.
The whole army causes Fear.

They are slow though and a player equipped with lots of dispell dice and scrolls can make life hard, especially at lower point values. The additional casualties when you lose combat can add up fast too. Skeletons are fragile and not very good in a fight. In melee they are like scary goblins. TKs can dominate magic and shooting, but they need to be used carefully in the close combat phase.

[Harbinger]

Originally posted by L'Puff
I take it back, I'm reading about the lady's blessing.
Bretonians it is.

Wait till the new rules and models are out. The lady's blessing could be quite different than it is right now.

[Front Toward Everybody]

Originally posted by Harbinger
the Tomb Kings are awesome. I love my skeletons. They are a good reliable, consistant army that mostly does what you want when you want.

Immune to psychology means they don't run away when you need them to hold a line.
Reliable magic gives you no miscasts. (stupid Dark Elf Sorceress blowing herself up on turn 1. grumble, grumble)
Really good archery.
Egyptians undead look cool as hell.
The screaming Skull catapult is an awesome model, and effective as well.
The whole army causes Fear.

They are slow though and a player equipped with lots of dispell dice and scrolls can make life hard, especially at lower point values. The additional casualties when you lose combat can add up fast too. Skeletons are fragile and not very good in a fight. In melee they are like scary goblins. TKs can dominate magic and shooting, but they need to be used carefully in the close combat phase.

The bone giant can help even up the close combat phase, no?

-Andrew

[Front Toward Everybody]

Fucking ladies blessing.

Goddamn it all to Hell.

-Andrew

[L'Puff]

Christmas....
I have to wait until Fucking Christmas for the book and new figs to come out.
Jeebus.
~L'Puff

[Front Toward Everybody]

Yes, but you will get to savor it when I line up a nice infiliading shot on a unit of questing knights with my great cannon and they don't fucking shoot.

-Andrew

[Harbinger]

Originally posted by Andrew
The bone giant can help even up the close combat phase, no?

-Andrew

He can help yes. I have had good luck with him. Jaakko claims he is not useful though so YMMV.

In my experience he makes a good flanker as he has a good movement compared to the rest of the army and I don't know anyone who will sit there and let a bone giant hit them in the flank so their battle plan gets all screwed up while they try to avoid this guy.

He is a big target and can be a bit fragile if facing a lot of war machines.

[L'Puff]

So, yeah...
"I shoot at you"
*sound of dice rolling*
"I think you don't. CHARGE!!!!!!"

Bretonians rock. Even though I will have to buy a fig here and there from the other armies... Mmmmm... dragons, demons, scaven, vampires......
~L'Puff

[Harbinger]

Originally posted by L'Puff
Even though I will have to buy a fig here and there from the other armies... Mmmmm... dragons, demons, scaven, vampires......
~L'Puff

This happens to all of us I think.

I don't play Brettonia, but that Trebuchet will be mine.

[L'Puff]

*glances around her room*
My problem is that I will probably nover finish painting my army, just like I haven't finished painting my chess set. Or the minis that just got stripped due to a bad can of primer. Or my pantera tribe for 100 kingdoms that we never play.
Meh, but at least I will be able to play.
~L'Puff

[Harbinger]

Originally posted by L'Puff
*glances around her room*
My problem is that I will probably nover finish painting my army, just like I haven't finished painting my chess set. Or the minis that just got stripped due to a bad can of primer. Or my pantera tribe for 100 kingdoms that we never play.
Meh, but at least I will be able to play.
~L'Puff

I have never had a fully painted army either, but my Tomb Kings are the closest I have ever gotten.

[L'Puff]

I'm going to try to get them all painted. And I am slowly making headway into the enormous amounts of painting that I have to do.
~L'Puff

[CrazyIvan]

I like the Brettonians. If I didn't think everyone was going to pick up an army when they came out, that's what I'd play.

Instead, Vampires. But I won't be buying vampire models. It's all about hijacking the models from other lines.

[Rythian]

If I recall, the blessings gonna be changing and someone either on this forum or another gave a vague idea of what it's gonna become. But anyhow, the Brets have always been fun, I ran 'em a few (think like 5-6) years ago, and had a blast. And just to let you know painted units do better, 'tis true, honestly. Just take your time and paint them. I myself am gonna paint the NFL Knights, 32 of them with the NFL team colors and insignia. I have my John Elway Knight still at home, so I decided I wanted to field an army of Football Knights, with the peasents in different team colours, and a unit of skirmishers as refs.

Hoo

edit: ohh, just thought of this divide the knights into Four units of Eight (divided North, South, East, and West), each with a Ref in it.:) making 9, 3x3 cool.

[Harbinger]

Back when I was considering bretonnia I was going to do teh Knights of the Round table. Using the various Pendragon books as resources I was going to do up each knight with the heraldry of one of arthurs knights complete with a matching squire.

[Rythian]

Originally posted by Harbinger
Back when I was considering bretonnia I was going to do teh Knights of the Round table. Using the various Pendragon books as resources I was going to do up each knight with the heraldry of one of arthurs knights complete with a matching squire.

That too, would be way cool. But I think the Knights of the NFL would just be too good. I have to think of who would be the general. Maybe a trip to the Hall of Fame is in order.

Hoo

[Harbinger]

Originally posted by Hoo Flung Pooh
That too, would be way cool. But I think the Knights of the NFL would just be too good. I have to think of who would be the general. Maybe a trip to the Hall of Fame is in order.

Hoo

DO the brettonians have a blood bowl team?

[Gloombunny]

Originally posted by Harbinger
DO the brettonians have a blood bowl team?
I don't think so. They only play polo. ;)

[Rythian]

No they don't unfortunately, other wise I'd have the skirmishing peasents. Heh.

Hoo, sorry about the threadjack L'Puff

[L'Puff]

I don't mind.
~L'Puff

[Jaakko]

I'm gonna recommend Bretonnians for a starting army too. You get to start from a brand spanking new pool of minis, and the army will be a great challenge painting wise. The only thing wrong with them are the Men-at-Arms with funny hats.

Just watch out for Fanatics, they'll ruin your day.

[Gloombunny]

The latest word is that the Lady's Blessing will be changed to a ward save that can also apply against non-shooting attacks, and the level of save varies with the nastiness of what the knights are facing - the Lady gives more blessing to those who fight dragons than those who fight goblins, for instance...

[Jaakko]

If they get Ward saves against stuff like Fanatics it's the biggest copout ever. I'm getting pissed off just thinking about it. :mad:

[Oddsod Blok'ed]

It wouldn't surprise me if they got Ward saves against Fanatics. Pfeh. Where is the basis for this rumor posted?

[Gloombunny]

Originally posted by Oddsod Blok'ed
It wouldn't surprise me if they got Ward saves against Fanatics. Pfeh. Where is the basis for this rumor posted?
Over at the WPS forum. Just hearsay from someone who was at that Games Day thing.

[Brass Monkey]

Originally posted by Hoo Flung Pooh
That too, would be way cool. But I think the Knights of the NFL would just be too good. I have to think of who would be the general. Maybe a trip to the Hall of Fame is in order.

Hoo

General Ditka. one of two people to win a superbowl as a player AND as a coach.

[Charbok]

I don't know if you would be interested, but you can prolly find some super cheap brettonians on ebay. They came in the 5th Ed box set, and I'll be willing to bet you will see them for sale.

They aren't as nifty as the new ones, but they would tide you over till new stuff comes out.

Or snag a Green Knight, cause that model ain't changing.

Paint first, at least for now, and then worry bout playing later.

And as a warning to any Noob: Avoid Wood Elves till 2005. I knew five fucking years ago my first army would be the last to get 6th E treatment. Thank Jeebus I have my Greenskins.

Hope this is helpful!

Charbok,
who already sold his 5th E brett stuff

[Rythian]

Originally posted by Brass Monkey
General Ditka. one of two people to win a superbowl as a player AND as a coach.

I was actually thinking Lambeau, but I might just want to do "Iron" Mikes army. Nice ring to it, the "Iron Knights".

Hoo

Maybe Lombardi, I dunno

[Brass Monkey]

Lombardi would be good, but you could always go with general Gruden. he's the man. or Parcells, his battle standard could have a big tuna.

I'd go with Iron mike ditka. you could convert that Kislevite guy so that General Ditka could ride a huge bear.:D

sorry, minor threadjack over...

So, How bout those brittonians?

[L'Puff]

Waiting for Christmas for the book.

Trying to figure out what pieces I can start on now.

Don't worry about the thread jack, It's better than people taking over my stories WHILE I'm telling them.

~L'Puff

[Harbinger]

I think that the Green Kight, Sorceress, and Squire models are not being redone.

[Rythian]

Originally posted by L'Puff
Waiting for Christmas for the book.

Trying to figure out what pieces I can start on now.

Don't worry about the thread jack, It's better than people taking over my stories WHILE I'm telling them.

~L'Puff

Iff'n ya want we can wander around with ya and threaten anyone who tries to take over your stories. I figured we were talking about Brets, and it sounds like you going Brets, so it's on topic, yeah, that's it. Oh found my John Elway Knight, he still looks cool. And L'Puff if the reissue the special Robin Hood, Little John and Fiar Tuck guys, I have a set for you.

Hoo

[L'Puff]

Cool, cool, cool.

If you're going to beat people who take over my stories, you're going to have to move in with me because my roommate Matt does it all the time and then gets kinda huffy when you call him on it.

I'm going to see what Mr. Underhill's has for Brets next time I go there (which might not be for another two weeks).

~L'Puff

[Rythian]

I can check my box o' bits and see if any old Bret stuff is laying about. I believe a store here blowing out it's mini's has a couple of the 2 Knights of the Realm at 40% off currently, let me know.

Hoo

[L'Puff]

According to 'lig, the only fig not changing is the Green Knight.

But I'm willing to pony up money for older figs to start with.

I don't know when the next time I'm going to be in Milwaukee is, though.
~L'Puff

[Rythian]

I believe 'lig is right, but getting some practice painting is not a bad plan. And the old crap makes great filler units for bigger games. "Well, I have my 3k beauty of all nice new minis, but we're playing 4500, and I need another unit of nine, hey ol' timers come on out and play.":)

Done this one a lot

Hoo, I might be heading up north western part of the state soon, I might be able to drop them off.

[L'Puff]

Very cool.
'K, so I'm supposed to be impressed with the Green Knight, right?

Why am I supposed to be impressed with him? Where can I find the old rules for him so I can be as impressed as I should be?
~L'Puff

[Rythian]

I have them at home, quick run down, your opponent wacks him, which isn't that hard. You then roll a d6, on any thing but a 6 he gets up puts his head back on his shoulders, and continues fighting. On a 6 he gets up puts his head back on, and rides off into the sunset and I believe doesn't count against you in Victory points. His sword either, your choice, added +2 or 3 S (can't remember which), or a d6 attacks. Quite silly, I wanted him to face Gotrek and Felix.

Hoo

[L'Puff]

Thank you, Hoo. Now, I'm impressed with him.

~L'Puff

[Rythian]

Yer welcome, ya shoulda heard the howling from my gaming group when I mentioned I was thinkin' 'bout buying the model. All sorts of dairy and cheddar jokes flying.

Hoo

[Front Toward Everybody]

He's like Super Valten.

-Andrew

[Rythian]

Ain't that the truth, except he doesn't add to the CR of every Bret force within 12". I'm kinda sad that they're gonna do away with Robin Hood, he was at least colourful, a peasent army led by Robin the Hood that'd be cool.

Hoo

[Harbinger]

Originally posted by Hoo Flung Pooh
Ain't that the truth, except he doesn't add to the CR of every Bret force within 12". I'm kinda sad that they're gonna do away with Robin Hood, he was at least colourful, a peasent army led by Robin the Hood that'd be cool.

Hoo

he'll show up on the website, or in an annual.

[Harbinger]

<img src="http://www.home.zonnet.nl/b.loch/pics/brets/bret_grail_knights.jpg">

The sorceress in the bottom left is the same one as the old model so she doesn't appear to be being redone.

[Gloombunny]

I love those sidesaddle-riding damsels. I hope there's at least one without a silly headdress that I can use a chaos sorceress.

(So I don't like all-knight armies. That doesn't mean I don't lust after these cool minis!)

[David Johansen]

I've already got 30-40 of the old brettonian knights so I'll probably just add one box of the new ones, but the peasants and men at arms I will add in droves. Actually I'll probably use archer bodies with spare men at arms arms for my peasants.