Post originally by Blacksteel at 2003-05-14 16:03:51
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Their we go again with jumping to conclusions again. No biggie. It seems a common practice here. It's the book that will need other books to play specific settings. Like slipstream for sci-fi and the supers book that Shane is working on to really play supers like Superman and Green Lantern etc. Which by the way the other settings books will be 144 pgs and 30 bucks a pop as well. They aren't core books mind you but will cost the same.

--> Jumping to what?

You do not need other books to play Savage Worlds. Examples of games where you DO need other books:
D&D: 3 Core Rulebooks
Gurps: Basic Set + Compandium I + Comp. II
Star Trek: Player's Guide + Narrator's Guide
Dragonstar: Player's Handbook, Galaxy Guide

No one is talking about supplements here. I'm talking strictly rulebooks. Not having to buy a seperate Ref's guide is a good thing, and any criticism of the game about it's price needs to account for that.

>>>I doubt you will find any new, printed RPG you can get into for less than $30, whether it's d20 or Fading Suns or anything else.>>>>>>>>>>>>>


Not true. I guess you will now want me to name a few of course. Let me just get one thing straight right off the bat. You don't need every book ever published for a system to start playing it. That's just absurd.

--->Agreed that you do not need all books. Don;t think I ever said it, either.

Adventure Softcover 271 pages $25.95 This game is also a stand along book as well. But you can get free downloads from fans sites to further support this system just like SW.

---> Softcover? Wow, it's a whole $4 cheaper too! Obviously SW is overpriced.



>>>Sure, you can buy nicer looking books for fewer $'s - what can you do with them?>>>>

Let me take a stab at this. Now don't tell me. Let me see. Oh yes play them.


---> Read a little closer. "Books", not "Gamebooks". About the only gamebooks you're going to find for under $30 are supplements. Sure, some of them are nice, but you kind of need a rule_book to use them. If all someone wnats is nice production values, there are plenty of cheaper, better looking book-books.


>>>>>Again, my beef is for slamming the game over price instead of actual game issues.

Blacksteel>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>



I never slammed the game. I agreed like most other people have stated that the book is a little pricey for the page count. If you actually take the time to read all the posts. I told Shane from PEG that all in all I like the system. I even own the system. If you want actual game issues you are more than welcome to read thru the 300 posts or 16-18 pages of posts that people have made about the game in the general forums.

---> Unless you were the original poster, no, you probably didn't, but the post that spawned this whole discussion did slam the game's price.

I did read all the posts. I don;t particularly care if someone likes the system or not. What I don;t like is the idea that page count determines quality. It doesn't. There are a ton of $30 hardbacks on the market. Many of them have higher page counts. Some of them are full color. Does that make this game not worth $30? Hardly. If Pinnacle had used a bigger font and more whitespace to up the page count to 208 pages with _exactly_ the same content, would it have justified a $30 price?

If it was $60 (or anything else way outside the price range for RPG books nowadays) then i could see raising the issue, but it's not.

If it is overpriced, then again, what _should_ the price be? In your gaming consumer opinion, "how much would YOU pay for this nifty book?". $20? $25? $26.95?

Also, what's missing? If the page count is "too short" that implies that it's incmplete or lacking something. What is not in the book that should have been in it?

Finally, the game has a free sample rules document and 2 or 3 adventures on the company website. Claiming it's overpriced implies that someone isn't getting what they expected for their money. I don;t see how this claim is valid given the freebie options available with no purchase required.

I hate to see the first review of a new game include something tagging it as "overpriced" when it clearly is _not_ overpriced.

-Blacksteel