Post originally by Crimson_Tiger at 2003-05-14 18:05:47
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Their we go again with jumping to conclusions again. No biggie. It seems a common practice here. It's the book that will need other books to play specific settings. Like slipstream for sci-fi and the supers book that Shane is working on to really play supers like Superman and Green Lantern etc. Which by the way the other settings books will be 144 pgs and 30 bucks a pop as well. They aren't core books mind you but will cost the same.

>>>>-> Jumping to what?>>>>>>>>>>>>>

You do, though, apparently judge the quality of a game by the length of it's rulebook.>>>



That statment right there. You can't honestly say that. Vibropod said that he's not one to complain about rpg prices but SW seemed a little pricey to him for 144 pages.





>>>>>You do not need other books to play Savage Worlds. Examples of games where you DO need other books:
D&D: 3 Core Rulebooks
Gurps: Basic Set + Compandium I + Comp. II
Star Trek: Player's Guide + Narrator's Guide
Dragonstar: Player's Handbook, Galaxy Guide>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>



Point taken.






>>>>>No one is talking about supplements here. I'm talking strictly rulebooks. Not having to buy a seperate Ref's guide is a good thing, and any criticism of the game about it's price needs to account for that.>>


I agree. Plus Shane has done a pretty good job of being forth coming with the free stuff for Savage Worlds and theirs more on the way.




>>>>>>>>>I doubt you will find any new, printed RPG you can get into for less than $30, whether it's d20 or Fading Suns or anything else.>>>>>>>>>>>>>


Not true. I guess you will now want me to name a few of course. Let me just get one thing straight right off the bat. You don't need every book ever published for a system to start playing it. That's just absurd.

--->Agreed that you do not need all books. Don;t think I ever said it, either.>>>>>>>

Well, You kinda made it sound that way with the Rifts statment.





>>>>Adventure Softcover 271 pages $25.95 This game is also a stand along book as well. But you can get free downloads from fans sites to further support this system just like SW.

---> Softcover? Wow, it's a whole $4 cheaper too! Obviously SW is overpriced.>>>>>>>>>



Hey. I just found you some games. I knew their are games out their for under $30 bucks. You never said by how much just under $30.




>>>> Read a little closer. "Books", not "Gamebooks". About the only gamebooks you're going to find for under $30 are supplements. Sure, some of them are nice, but you kind of need a rule_book to use them. If all someone wnats is nice production values, there are plenty of cheaper, better looking book-books.>>>>>>>

Well, now I just found four Core Book rpgs for under $30 bucks.So I'm not sure what your saying exactly. Sorry I'm just confused about your statement.






>>> Unless you were the original poster, no, you probably didn't, but the post that spawned this whole discussion did slam the game's price.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>



Nope not me.





>>>>>>>>>I did read all the posts. I don;t particularly care if someone likes the system or not. What I don;t like is the idea that page count determines quality. It doesn't. There are a ton of $30 hardbacks on the market. Many of them have higher page counts. Some of them are full color. Does that make this game not worth $30? Hardly. If Pinnacle had used a bigger font and more whitespace to up the page count to 208 pages with _exactly_ the same content, would it have justified a $30 price?>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>




Not to me no it wouldn't.




>>>>>If it is overpriced, then again, what _should_ the price be? In your gaming consumer opinion, "how much would YOU pay for this nifty book?". $20? $25? $26.95?>>>>



Well


>>>Also, what's missing? If the page count is "too short" that implies that it's incmplete or lacking something. What is not in the book that should have been in it?>>>>



To me honestly I would have liked to have had a section on Sci-fi type material like how to build spaceships a guide line if you will , space travel, Spaceship combat and alien races etc. In my opinion the races given in the book are more fantasy driven than anything else. Maybe a section on cybernetics as well. I understand that Slipstream is coming out. But Sci-fi basics like stated above would have been nice to have had in the core book. I'm looking forward to a lot of the books coming out. With my luck Slipstream is not coming out till next year. I really need to be a play tester. The waits going to kill me.







>>>>I hate to see the first review of a new game include something tagging it as "overpriced" when it clearly is _not_ overpriced.

-Blacksteel>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>




I truly don't think that SW is going anywhere anytime soon. The games a lot stronger than that. Have a little faith.





John