Post originally by Ezekiel Black at 2005-02-19 13:55:54
Converted from Phorums BB System

Retardo and Douchey are min-maxers, and much like all the rest, have horrible names and no backstory. I am creating 2 versions of the min-maxer, Retardo throws all the XP into rounding out the min-maxed Attributes, and Douchey throws all XP into rounding out the min-maxed Skills. I will only need to make one Vinnie to show them both up, I promise. I am also going to Munchkin the min-maxers, so they will be the best possible at Combat. Also, I took Roy’s advice and didn’t plop any 5’s down that aren’t free (the Dex 5’s are free from Daeva clan). Note: I stopped creating these characters after assigning Attributes and Skills. The first two are almost identical, and I don’t think I need to go any further to prove my point. On with the show!

Retardo (Daeva): 35 XP thrown into Attributes, 5XP left over so I added 1 to Investigation. 2XP left over
Attributes: Intelligence 2, Wits 4, Resolve 2, Strength 2, Dexterity 5, Stamina 2, Presence 2, Manipulation 2, Composure 4
Skills:
Mental (7): Academics 3, Computer 0, Crafts 0, Investigation 1, Medicine 0, Occult 4, Politics 0, Science 0
Physical (11): Athletics 3, Brawl 4, Drive 0, Firearms 0, Larceny 0, Stealth 0, Survival 0, Weaponry 4
Social (4): Animal Ken 0, Empathy 0, Expression 0, Intimidation 4, Persuasion 0, Socialize 0, Streetwise 0, Subterfuge 0

Skill rolls that are Chance Rolls: 10
Skill rolls with 1 die: 29
2 dice: 0
3 dice: 9
4 dice: 5
5 dice: 5
6 dice: 8
7 dice: 1
8 dice: 3
9 dice: 2

Douchey (Daeva) 35 XP thrown into Skills, 2 XP left over.
Attributes: Intelligence 1, Wits 4, Resolve 1, Strength 2, Dexterity 5, Stamina 2, Presence 1, Manipulation 2, Composure 4
Skills:
Mental (7): Academics 3, Computer 1, Crafts 1, Investigation 1, Medicine 1, Occult 4, Politics 1, Science 1
Physical (11): Athletics 3, Brawl 4, Drive 1, Firearms 1, Larceny 1, Stealth 1, Survival 1, Weaponry 4
Social (4): Animal Ken 0, Empathy 0, Expression 0, Intimidation 4, Persuasion 0, Socialize 0, Streetwise 0, Subterfuge 0

Skill rolls that are Chance Rolls: 7
Skill rolls with 1 die: 7
2 dice: 12
3 dice: 17
4 dice: 2
5 dice: 11
6 dice: 10
7 dice: 1
8 dice: 3
9 dice: 2

Vinnie (Daeva) 35 XP spent, 1 to raise an Attribute from 2-3 (heresy in Roy’s opinion), 18 spent on Skills, including bringing one to 1 then to 2 (more heresy), and 2 XP left over
Attributes: Intelligence 2, Wits 3, Resolve 2, Strength 3, Dexterity 3, Stamina 3, Presence 2, Manipulation 2, Composure 3
Skills:
Mental (7): Academics 1, Computer 2, Crafts 1, Investigation 2, Medicine 1, Occult 2, Politics 1, Science 1
Physical (11): Athletics 2, Brawl 2, Drive 2, Firearms 2, Larceny 0, Stealth 2, Survival 0, Weaponry 3
Social (4): Animal Ken 0, Empathy 0, Expression 0, Intimidation 2, Persuasion 0, Socialize 0, Streetwise 1, Subterfuge 1

Skill rolls that are Chance Rolls: 0
Skill rolls with 1 die: 10
2 dice: 11
3 dice: 14
4 dice: 15
5 dice: 19
6 dice: 3

The following relies on a perfect world:

So, with Retardo you will roll 1 die or less 39/72 times, With Douchey it’s 14/72. With Vinnie, it’s 10/72. With Vinnie, you are most likely to roll 5 dice on a given action, whereas with Retardo, you are most likely going to roll 1, and with Douchey it’s 3. Sure Retardo and Douchey are the Gawds of combat, and roll 7-9 dice 6/72 times (8% of the time), but beyond that they are not much use at all. Retardo only rolls 3 or more dice 33/72 times (46%), Douchey is at 46/72 (64%), and Vinnie is 51/72 (71%). Vinnie and Douchey are unskilled in 7/24 skills, Retardo brings up the rear and is unskilled in a whopping 17/24 Skills.

Vinnie has no more than 3 in any Attribute or Skill (and only has one 3 in any skill).

They all have 2 unspent XP.

VtR chargen does not encourage min-maxing.

Have a nice day!