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The general tone of the thread seems to be one of preferring to take time on the history, but to create the stats sits at around 45 minutes to about an hour from what the actual discussions mention. I feel that if it was a genuine issue with the rules, then it would have been commented on in that thread.
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There are considerable complaints about the time spent on gear alone-- over two hours for that section of character creation, which is essential for calculating your modified stats in Shadowrun. Also, do not forget that Dumpshockers will tend to have Excel scripts to speed up the process-- and that as hard-core fans, they should be
significantly faster than other people.
Now, looking at the actual comments made, ten of the posters state that actual build time requires at least 1.5 or more hours for them. Nine state that it takes them under half an hour, and the rest are either off-topic or say "It depends".
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Nup. Still not convinced by your arguments. Someone else claims it's bland, I claim it's concise and clear. I feel the fiction gets the style across sufficiently well, and the rules better match the world presented. I've got the other editions here and reading through them I find very little different.
So such subjective argumentation is pointless. A lot of people who used to like shadowrun have gotten back into the game due to SR4 - so that must mean that something is going right.
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And reportedly, a lot of people have quit the game since nSR came out, so I'd be hesitant about offering any overall numbers. At any event, under no circumstances does anything in nSR fiction come remotely close to the wonderful Shadowrun work done by Nigel Findley or Michael Stackpole-- I'll acknowledge that a great deal of art appreciation is subjective, but I am not the only one who is complaining that the "Shadowrun style" feels watered down, and they certainly do not have any fiction writers of that caliber on their staff. Nigel did more than "sufficiently well"-- he could burn it into your mind. Granted, we should not expect divinity out of any product, but one should never follow a bold new vision without a bold new visionary.