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Old 11-15-2009, 08:01 PM
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Re: M1 A2 Abrams vs. Hamatula

The first thing that came to mind from this thread was Rifts setting, where full conversion cyborgs take on adult dragons and supremacist human nations battle vile magicians and psychics. The next thing that came to mind was Warhammer 40k, where demons tear up super metal tanks for breakfast!

Seriously though, I think from a one on one perspective, the tank is screwed. It's facing a being MADE of evil and magic, and while the tanks main gun could probably knock it's flat on it's back, teleporting on top and it's screwed. A division of tanks could probably take one down if it gets the drop on them (or through a bloody battle), but then it's demonic friend will show up and get the drop on THEM.

Still, thinking of 'intelligent greater demon shows up on modern day Earth', I'd say unless he's a chaotic being that feeds off of killing and slaughter he'd probably take advantage of the political system. Transforming itself via magic, or finding a loyal, charismatic human to be his 'face' and then proceed to gain control of a nation. He'd then start conquering his smaller neighbors (so long as he can get away with doing so without gaining the interest of the UN), or working his way into strong alliances with the big boys.

All the while that demon is working on ways to summon lesser demons to spread his influence. By the time a war breaks out, the demon's probably got a significant human and demonic force fighting for him.

PS: Am I the only one who thinks this scenario matches up nicely with the book of revelations? Or is that only because I've only gotten the summarized wording and haven't actually read it?
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Old 11-15-2009, 08:22 PM
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Re: M1 A2 Abrams vs. Hamatula

The problem here is one that I'm working out for my own game. The problem really is that modern equipment REALLY breaks the D&D world. My fighter dressed Second Chance Hard Core body armor could very calmly walk through an arbitrarily large number of orcs because the orcs essentially have zero chance of actually hitting him. He's going to run out of ammunition quickly at which point it becomes a stalemate. The orcs can't hit him, he can't hit the orcs.

A hamatula would likely have some trouble with a single tank. He can only teleport so far and his visual acuity is likely good to a range somewhat shorter than the range of his teleport. Thus, if the tank knows that the hamatula is coming, it can likely maneuver to a good position from which to attack the hamatula. If the hamatula were to suddenly stumble onto the tank, then the tank is well and truly fucked because it has no close-in weapons systems other than the coaxial machine gun.

Orc horde vs a special forces unit? My money is on the orcs. The reason for that comes from historical evidence. The orc horde's only chance of success is to roll right over the special forces unit by weight of numbers. The answer to large numbers is, and always will be, firepower. The Chinese used this tactic in Korea and it worked VERY well at first. A special forces unit lacks the firepower to repel a massed attack like an orc horde. Their weapons aren't that heavy and they can't carry enough ammunition for the weapons they DO have. Now, at some point they'd likely mow down enough orcs to trigger some kind of morale check among the remaining orcs. If they fail that check, then the attack breaks and the orcs retreat. That works, but if the orcs succeed on that will check, then the SFU guys are fragged.

Kraken vs Submarine: Submarine all day every day. Modern attack submarines can, quite literally, hear whales humping. A creature the size of a kraken cannot POSSIBLY be silent under water, ESPECIALLY when swimming fast enough to effect an attack on another submerged target. The kraken closes to within a few miles and is promptly greeted with a pair of Mark 48 torpedoes and 500 or so pounds of torpex. Instant calamari.

Enterprise vs. Cthulu: Well...I think Cthulu's power of causing insanity is based on line of sight, rather than range. Since MOST of the enterprise's crew would never see Cthulu, no problem there. Now, it does occur that, given the large number of computers and data systems aboard the enterprise, there must be a fairly large IT staff aboard. That being the case, they should already know how to deal with the likes of the Great Old Ones. See www.userfriendly.org.
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Old 11-16-2009, 07:35 AM
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Re: M1 A2 Abrams vs. Hamatula

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My fighter dressed Second Chance Hard Core body armor could very calmly walk through an arbitrarily large number of orcs because the orcs essentially have zero chance of actually hitting him. He's going to run out of ammunition quickly at which point it becomes a stalemate. The orcs can't hit him, he can't hit the orcs.
This is why I tend to prefer armor as DR. It's easy enough to hit someone in heavy armor, since the armor tends to slow them down; the tricky part is hitting hard enough to penetrate the armor and cause real injury.
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Old 11-17-2009, 05:57 AM
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Re: M1 A2 Abrams vs. Hamatula

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Orc horde vs a special forces unit? My money is on the orcs. The reason for that comes from historical evidence. The orc horde's only chance of success is to roll right over the special forces unit by weight of numbers. The answer to large numbers is, and always will be, firepower. The Chinese used this tactic in Korea and it worked VERY well at first. A special forces unit lacks the firepower to repel a massed attack like an orc horde. Their weapons aren't that heavy and they can't carry enough ammunition for the weapons they DO have. Now, at some point they'd likely mow down enough orcs to trigger some kind of morale check among the remaining orcs. If they fail that check, then the attack breaks and the orcs retreat. That works, but if the orcs succeed on that will check, then the SFU guys are fragged.
That depends in the craziest way on whose SF guys they are. Some come equipped with seriously hilarious amounts of firepower per unit. I remember hearing at one time that the SAS occasionally deploys with mortars. Not as in "mortar battery on call" but as in "the SAS unit is carrying two mortar tubes with it."
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