(Spawned from the Tau thread because I didn't want to derail it)
What's the deal with these suckers? I don't get it, and I haven't read the latest fluff so I'm a bit out of the loop on 40k mythology.
As I understood it, the Olde Ones are a creator-race from long gone, with their nemesis being the C'tan. The necrontyr were also an old race, but sacrificed their mortal coils for robot-bodies. The C'tan are somehow interested in looking after these Necrons now.
Am I on the right track?
By the way, what's the relation with the 40k universe and that of Fantasy Battle? Are they one and the same? Parallel?
As I understood it, the Olde Ones are a creator-race from long gone, with their nemesis being the C'tan. The necrontyr were also an old race, but sacrificed their mortal coils for robot-bodies. The C'tan are somehow interested in looking after these Necrons now.
By the way, what's the relation with the 40k universe and that of Fantasy Battle? Are they one and the same? Parallel?
Someone with more extensive knowledge will probably come along and prove me wrong, but you're almost 100% on the right track. The necrontyr were a simple race that lived eons ago. Due to nastiness beyond their control, their race was dying, and so they made a pact with the God-like C'tan. They'd get immortality, the C'tan would get an army to conquer races that didn't bow down to them. Needless to say, the necrontyr got shafted on the deal.
There's some interesting fluff about the Machine God of the Adeptus Mechanicus actually being a C'tan, but I'm not sure on that one.
AFAIK, the 40K and warhammer universes are one and the same. Even the Emperor is the same guy (reincarnated). Wonder if that means I can use necron in Warhammer Fantasy, as they would have been around at that time?
AFAIK, the 40K and warhammer universes are one and the same. Even the Emperor is the same guy (reincarnated). Wonder if that means I can use necron in Warhammer Fantasy, as they would have been around at that time?
See thart backpedalling?
But, no, the Emperor was never the same guy. As far back as Realms of Chaos, the 40K emperor's been a near-god in one body born of the energies of all the shamen on Earth some time before the birth of Christ.
Sort of like Apocalypse, but not.
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They'd get immortality, the C'tan would get an army to conquer races that didn't bow down to them. Needless to say, the necrontyr got shafted on the deal.
But, while we have pictures and minis of the C'tan, the Old Ones are nowhere to be found? Why can't the Old Ones just swoop in and destroy the remaining C'tan?
Also, what happens when the 4 remaining C'tan do die - can they even be killed?
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AFAIK, the 40K and warhammer universes are one and the same. Even the Emperor is the same guy (reincarnated).
"A long, long time ago, with a better set of rules, the Man-Emperor ruled..."
Anyway, I thought the WHFB Emperor-guy changed quite a bit, and was even elected. Is it this "Sigmar" that's the real Emperor that gets reincarnated in 40k, then?
And, if WHFB is the past, what happened to all the Elves, Dwarves and Undead there (not to mention the bio-engineered Lizardmen/Slann)?
And, if WHFB is the past, what happened to all the Elves, Dwarves and Undead there (not to mention the bio-engineered Lizardmen/Slann)?
The suggestion originally was that the games take place concurrently, with WFB on a world that is somehow shielded from invasion by space (something to do with the Slann and the broken warp gates.) These days GW appears to be distancing themselves from it, which is all to the good (though i gather some weird shit showed up in Albion).
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The suggestion originally was that the games take place concurrently, with WFB on a world that is somehow shielded from invasion by space (something to do with the Slann and the broken warp gates.)
Oh...
I see.
Hmmm. An alright explanation, I just thought it took place in the past, what with the Fantasy world looking like Earth a whole lot etc.
Haven't a clue. I'm not a WFBer, I'm a WFRPer who keeps in touch due to the fact I like 40K and thus pick up White Dwarf. I am housemates, however, with a raging fanboy, and will try to remember to tap him for information after he finishes watching Police Story 2. Unless, of course, someone steps in in the meantime.
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Hmmm. An alright explanation, I just thought it took place in the past, what with the Fantasy world looking like Earth a whole lot etc.
What shit took place on Albion, did you say?
I never played in Albion, but I see to recall that some of the magical items gifted to the winners of the Albion campaign were more or less power armor and maybe power weapons of some sort, albeit with the names changed somewhat.
As for the Necrons and Old Ones and why the Old ones don't come in and kick some ass, from what the fluff has said thus far its probaly because they're in no position to do so. Way back when the war was going on, the Old Ones were pretty much losing by the end, the desparate gifts of psychic abilities to their servitor races was more or less an end gambit that took a lot of their power with it. Also, its not entirely clear from the fluff as I remember it as to whether the C'tan can be permanently killed by others or not. All the C'tan who were mentioned as dying were killed and devoured by other C'Tan IIRC, and there was mention that even falling in battle just temporarily disrupted a C'Tan's physical form. So its possible that even if there is some remnant of the Old Ones still active at their old level of powers in the galaxy, they may not have a way to permanently destroy their old enemies.
Okay, the speculation is that Sigmar was a descendant of the 40k emperor or a lost Space Marine Primarch.
Aparently in one of the old realm of chaos books they introduced the emperor's hidden bloodlines and the Illuminati of the Black Library who seek them out and protect them from the Inquisition and Eclesearchy. It doesn't show up in the new fluff so much.
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