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Old 03-27-2005, 06:09 PM
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Re: [Exalted] Fair Folk Graces

Graces, like all other Raksha possessions, are kept in the hazy Elsewhere when not in use - this topic is covered by finer minds than my own in a semirecent thread. You might want to try a Search.

When entering Creation, I suggest that a raksha not have to take his Graces with him, as the consequences of one being damaged or stolen are pretty considerable. If the raksha wants to use the Artifacts he made from his Graces, however, he has to manifest 'em - but as the standard Grace is just an exceptional item, you might wish to err on the side of caution.


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Wherever they want. I'm fond of keeping my Heart Grace in the form of a needle, which is in an egg, which is in a duck, which is in a hare, which is in an iron chest, which is buried under a green oak tree, which is on the island of Bujan, in the ocean.
The Heart Grace is actually the only Grace that does not differ from raksha to raksha - they're all, or at least the vast majority - eggs. And such placement offers no defense against Vexing, as a raksha can call forth any object they own through Elsewhere, and offers less protection than merely banishing it Elsewhere, where no mortal can fetch it. It'd make for a good Oath, though.
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Old 03-27-2005, 06:10 PM
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Re: [Exalted] Fair Folk Graces

Also: Heart Graces are normally eggs, and normally kept in the Bonfire of a Freehold.

You can only get possession of a Heart Grace if you only have that Raksha's Sword Grace (Is it Sword? Or Staff?).

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Old 03-27-2005, 06:26 PM
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Re: [Exalted] Fair Folk Graces

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The Heart Grace is actually the only Grace that does not differ from raksha to raksha - they're all, or at least the vast majority - eggs.
I, sir, am a PC. The "vast majority" is for NPCs, thanks.


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And such placement offers no defense against Vexing, as a raksha can call forth any object they own through Elsewhere, and offers less protection than merely banishing it Elsewhere, where no mortal can fetch it.
And yet banishing it Elsewhere makes for a much less interesting story.

Hero: Ha ha, Koschei the Deathless, I have found your heart is hidden, and I shall destroy it and end your reign of terror!

Koschei: Meh. *banishes his Heart Elsewhere* Now, let me show you new realms of pain.

Hero: But this is a singularly unsatisfying conclusion to my quest! Nooooooo....
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Old 03-27-2005, 06:27 PM
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Re: [Exalted] Fair Folk Graces

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You can only get possession of a Heart Grace if you only have that Raksha's Sword Grace (Is it Sword? Or Staff?).
It's their "last grace", IIRC.
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Old 03-27-2005, 06:29 PM
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Re: [Exalted] Fair Folk Graces

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Hero: Ha ha, Koschei the Deathless, I have found your heart is hidden, and I shall destroy it and end your reign of terror!
Sounds like an adjuration to me. I mean, "the Deathless"? That has raksha oath written all over it.
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Old 03-27-2005, 06:32 PM
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Re: [Exalted] Fair Folk Graces

I was wondering about this as well, though I have to admit that I'm. . . even more confused than before.

So graces are soul parts as well as objects?I understand the part about the who it's part of, who keeps it/who's attuned, but is it a thing if that occurs then? Or can it also be something else?

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Old 03-27-2005, 06:34 PM
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Re: [Exalted] Fair Folk Graces

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It's their "last grace", IIRC.
You can't Vex away the Heart unless you have the Sword, and I don't think you can break the Heart unless you (or your allies) have stolen and attuned to all of their Graces and remove their protections.


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And yet banishing it Elsewhere makes for a much less interesting story.

Hero: Ha ha, Koschei the Deathless, I have found your heart is hidden, and I shall destroy it and end your reign of terror!

Koschei: Meh. *banishes his Heart Elsewhere* Now, let me show you new realms of pain.

Hero: But this is a singularly unsatisfying conclusion to my quest! Nooooooo....
A mortal hero can just kill him, Heart Grace or no. However, Koschei could have an Oath for Imposition of Law: 'Surviving' that can only be circumvented if the would-be-murdered finds Koschei's death, which he's removed from his body and placed at the tip of a needle, inside an egg, inside a hen...

That's actually pretty sweet. Yoink!
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So graces are soul parts as well as objects?
Yes, graces are objects.

However, everything a Raksha "owns" is part of the Raksha when the Raksha is unformed.
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Old 03-27-2005, 06:49 PM
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Re: [Exalted] Fair Folk Graces

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So graces are soul parts as well as objects?I understand the part about the who it's part of, who keeps it/who's attuned, but is it a thing if that occurs then? Or can it also be something else?
I get to quote myself to answer a question. I feel so classy!


The actual body of one of the Fair Folk is a different matter - it is best considered a narrative point, a dramatic swell. The chakras that defines this narrative body, the Essence-pattern that the raksha, for lack of a better term, is, are the Graces. The five Graces idealized by all whole raksha are the Heart, the Sword, the Cup, the Ring, and the Staff. To lack one is to be utterly incomplete, and a Grace is as every bit as precious to a raksha as an organ is to a human - while it can live without one, it does so only in agony at its imperfection and suffering at its limitations.

A Grace is a measure of the Raksha's Essence Pattern that is incarnate as an object. As with any raksha possession, the object can be called to hand or dismissed on a whim, and can be wrest from him by Vexation or trickery. As an example...

Koschei has a Sword Grace. It measures his greatness. Normally it floats in Elsewhere and forms a 'mouth' in his Essence pattern. It gives him all the traits of the Sword - the ability to take and to defend what is owned. It is a concept, but it has an avatar - Koschei can call forward a suit of spiky black armor with sleek gossamer cloaks attached by skull-faced studs.

This is exceptional armor - it is the utter manifestation of Koschei's Sword, as perceived by the material world. Koschei may even forge the Grace into an artifact - a sleek black behemoth, for example. He can call these things forward from Elsewhere in moments, or send them back when he doesn't need them. He can even place them in the hands of an ally, who can claim them as a possession.

There are three steps of Grace ownership.

1. PART - the Grace is a part of Koschei. It's Koschei's Grace and as such represents his Sword.

2. POSSESSION - The Grace is in the hand of Alak, Koschei's ally, who has claimed it as a possession. As it is Alak's, vexing Koschei will not allow Koschei's enemy, Iselde, to seize the Grace as her own - she must overcome Alak, and may not even know that Alak has the Grace. Alak may attune to the Sword if he likes, though this might strain Koschei's trust.
The possessor of a Grace can call forward its physical manifestation, if he likes. This is the level of ownership that gives access to, for example, Koschei's Sword-armor.

3. ATTUNEMENT - Iselde seizes the Grace from Alak through Vexation, and may now Attune to it. She has claimed the Sword for her own, and as such can impose penalties on Koschei by withdrawing the protection of the Sword (Reducing Koschei's Sword to 0, with all attached penalties).

However, Koschei could have all three of those ownerships - he could possess and be attuned to his own Sword, for instance. Or perhaps he owns his Sword and the master of his Freehold is attuned to it.
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Old 03-27-2005, 07:13 PM
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Re: [Exalted] Fair Folk Graces

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I get to quote myself to answer a question. I feel so classy! *snips the explanation*
THAT helped to cement it. Thanks much with all that. Maybe now I can reread the book and not be stumbling over these concepts. Thanks again.

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