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Old 07-30-2003, 01:00 AM
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[Comic]: Villains & Vigilantes : Comic book, 4 part mini-series, reviewed by grubman (3/3)

http://www.rpg.net/reviews/archive/9/9569.phtml

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A little bit of V&V history. The Superhero comic book series based off of the game...instead of the other way around! But is it any good?

Go to the full review for more information.
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Old 07-30-2003, 12:31 PM
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Will GoO or Green Ronin do this I wonder?

Post originally by Mr. HM Wogglebug at 2003-07-30 11:31:45
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I wonder if we will ever see Silver Age Sentinels or Mutants & Masterminds turned into comic books.

I remember these V&V comics and the Champions ones too, didn't Flare and other characters even get spin-offs?
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Old 07-30-2003, 03:00 PM
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Champions Comics

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Yeah, there was a huge line of Champions comics. The publisher still has extensive back stock and trys valiantly to sell them through the heroicpub.com website.

I hope if GR or GoO try this, they have better quality control than the earlier attempts. Even the V&V comics were amongst Jeff Dee's weaker works.
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Old 07-30-2003, 04:13 PM
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RE: Champions Comics

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Haven't seen the Champion comics. I just heard they were pretty bad...of course, someone could certainly say the same about the V&V ones.
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Old 07-30-2003, 04:19 PM
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RE: Will GoO or Green Ronin do this I wonder?

Post originally by grubman at 2003-07-30 15:19:33
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I doubt it. Jeff Dee and Jack Herman were comic book fans first. The RPG was their way of contributing to the comic book world. Their dream was always to make comic books (not really games, although I'm sure they didn't mind).

On the other hand SAS and M&M are primarily games, made to be games. I brought up the possibility of an M&M comic/suplement mag in the open forum a while back, and the idea was shot down by everyone...although I can't remember all the reasons why now??

That said, I wouldn't mind seeing an M&M comic, although I don't know if it would have the same ooomf as a V&V comic would have.
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Old 07-30-2003, 05:47 PM
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RE: Champions Comics

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I liked the original Champions comics, in color, with stats in the back. When the art improved, the stories went downhill, and the game stats were removed. Finally, when it went black & white, I had already lost interest.

It didn't help that when I got a subscription it kept being cancelled and then revived a few months later.

At least GoO or Green Ronin could probably get some hot artists. The art in Mutants & Masterminds blew me away!
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Old 07-30-2003, 08:10 PM
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Rock!

Post originally by Tim Kirk at 2003-07-30 19:10:59
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Grubman!
You

ROCK
For reviewing these, I've got them and was pondering why the Crisis reviewer didn't mention them since it is essentially the module updated as a comic book.

Fun, silly, but neat.

Thanks for the review.
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Old 07-30-2003, 08:40 PM
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RE: Rock!

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Thanks, nice to know the effort is appreciated. I wonder how many people read these reviews?
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Old 07-30-2003, 08:42 PM
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Anyone have a comics buyers price guide?

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I suppose I should have researched this as part of the review, but does anyone know what price these are listed at in a current buyers guide?
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Old 07-30-2003, 11:28 PM
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RE: Anyone have a comics buyers price guide?

Post originally by Ralph Dula at 2003-07-30 22:28:26
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I don't know how much the price guides list them for, but I got around $10 last year for a set of them in Excellent condition.

Good review, by the way, though I did notice one minor error, if only because it upset V&V fans who I told about the comic. In the update section in the back of the comic not all the Crusaders went up in level since the original module--for whatever reason they decided the laser-firing fellow (Laserfire? It's been so long since I've read the books or looked at that module I can't recall his name) didn't go up in experience after all those years. Apparently the authors believe in the "once a rookie, always a rookie" philosophy.

By the way, does anybody remember the original Champions comic mini-series?
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