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Old 06-02-2006, 01:00 AM
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[RPG]: Satanis Unbound, reviewed by MarkCC (1/1)

http://www.rpg.net/reviews/archive/12/12215.phtml

Mark Chu-Carroll's Summary:

The single worst piece of RPG dreckery I've ever seen; \"dark horror\" by a guy who has absolutely no clue of the meanings of \"dark\" or \"horror\".

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Old 06-02-2006, 07:46 AM
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Re: [RPG]: Satanis Unbound, reviewed by MarkCC (1/1)

C'mon, Mark, don't hold back. How do you <b>really</b> feel?
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Old 06-02-2006, 08:41 AM
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Re: [RPG]: Satanis Unbound, reviewed by MarkCC (1/1)

What really astonished me about the game is that, dramatic drum roll, he got tentacle sex wrong. How bone-headed do you have to be to mess that up? It's not about having sex with tentacled women! It's not even about having bondage sex with tentacled women. It involves tentacles and women, and the bondage happens as a side-effect of the tentacles.

Gragghg.

This further reminds me that stuff like bondage is still considered "edgy" and "evil" in some quarters. A brief walk down Wikipedia's guide to paraphilias would utterly destroy them. (Bondage ain't got jack on vore.)

And that's my gnomic utterance.
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Re: [RPG]: Satanis Unbound, reviewed by MarkCC (1/1)

Mark,

No offense, but I don't like the style of this review. I think if you dislike a product, you have to make your arguments without using biased language. By insulting the product before you start making your points against it, it looks like you didn't give it fair consideration.

"This is something which could be interesting if done well. Or it could be a juvenile, pathetic exercise in munchkin masturbation. Guess which path this author took?" Even if it's 100% true, that's no way to open a review.

"Nine (or three, or six hundred and twelve, or whatever) serious flaws prevent Satanis Unbound from being a good purchase. As an overarching problem, the author misunderstands the basic concepts of Lovecraftian horror because..."
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Old 06-02-2006, 09:42 AM
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Re: [RPG]: Satanis Unbound, reviewed by MarkCC (1/1)

Normally, I'd agree with the Cimmerian.

But because this is, in fact, Empire of Satanis and is still, in fact, written by Darrick Dishaw, I think his review was about as appropriate and truthful as it gets. Don't forget; this is the same guy who cursed all of rpgnet with the divine wrath of Satan after his first game got negative reviews....
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Old 06-02-2006, 10:02 AM
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Re: [RPG]: Satanis Unbound, reviewed by MarkCC (1/1)

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Mark,

No offense, but I don't like the style of this review. I think if you dislike a product, you have to make your arguments without using biased language. By insulting the product before you start making your points against it, it looks like you didn't give it fair consideration.

"This is something which could be interesting if done well. Or it could be a juvenile, pathetic exercise in munchkin masturbation. Guess which path this author took?" Even if it's 100% true, that's no way to open a review.
Ummm.. Why not?

Personally, I like to start a review with an overall summary of what the subject of the review is about, and how well it was executed. That's exactly what I did: summarized what the basic concept of the game is, and how appallingly badly the author handled it.

I also think that a review shouldn't be dry and dull, but should be engaging - ideally both informative and entertaining. Making a review entertaining at the expense of being informative would be a huge mistake. But making it entertaining without sacrificing any informative content is, I think, a good thing.

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"Nine (or three, or six hundred and twelve, or whatever) serious flaws prevent Satanis Unbound from being a good purchase. As an overarching problem, the author misunderstands the basic concepts of Lovecraftian horror because..."
To me, rewriting the beginning of the review like that doesn't add any informative content to the review, but it changes the writing style to make it far duller to read. Isn't it obvious from my summary that it's a lousy purchase, and why? So why rewrite it in a dull way?
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Re: [RPG]: Satanis Unbound, reviewed by MarkCC (1/1)

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this is the same guy who cursed all of rpgnet with the divine wrath of Satan after his first game got negative reviews....
Hoo boy...
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Re: [RPG]: Satanis Unbound, reviewed by MarkCC (1/1)

That was an AWESOME review. I mean, with or without the review, I would never have purchased this product, so from a practical standpoint, I just don't care. But in terms of enjoying reading this, I completely did.

And any game designer who actually says, 'this author worships Satan and Cthulu' deserves to be mocked with as much mocking as the world can practically muster. Who worships Cthulu, for crying out loud? Last I heard he was invented by Lovecraft!

Just please don't mock me - I worship Drizzt. Who doesn't love Drizzt? He's a black-skinned elf with a black panther sidekick that pops out of a little statue. They fight crime. He is like unto a god!
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Re: [RPG]: Satanis Unbound, reviewed by MarkCC (1/1)

One of the big problems I have with games like C'thuhlu is making the bad guys dangerous without them also becoming complete charactures of themselves. I just have a hard time imagining a group thinking that if they summon up big bad X, he will serve them and give them power instead of simply eating them. It just doesn't make any sense.

Now it seems like there is someone in the real world who buys that. I mean what?

Anyone who thinks that hell on earth or dark horrors from beyond will be good for them somehow...I just don't get it. All people like this end up being is one of a D10 people eaten per round. And that's if they're lucky!

Jeez.

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Old 06-02-2006, 02:29 PM
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Re: [RPG]: Satanis Unbound, reviewed by MarkCC (1/1)

I think I just threw up a little.

Please, I beg you, someone tell me this twit wrote such a book as a mockery of the RPG industry? That he's poking fun at dark and edgy gamers? Please? Please?

Nobody can be THIS ridiculous...can they?

In any event, fun review! The only kind of review a product like this deserves is one that'll squeeze some measure of joy out of it, even if that joy comes from a good old fashion skewering and pointing and laughing.
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