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Old 06-25-2008, 10:19 AM
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Question [4E] Why no half-orcs?

Yes, it's probably been asked before, but my wife, who's favorite 3x race was half-orc, asked me and demanded and answer, so now, I ask you.

Why were they dropped as a core race? Hell, they're not even in the MM, IIRC.
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Old 06-25-2008, 10:33 AM
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Re: [4E] Why no half-orcs?

For one major reason:

The existance of Half-Orcs in the default setting where Orc = Evil necessarily implies rape. They don't want to just gloss it over, and they don't want to deal with it in detail, so Half-Orcs got cut.

Also, one minor reason:

They wanted a core race that was dragony.
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Old 06-25-2008, 10:34 AM
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Re: [4E] Why no half-orcs?

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Also, one minor reason:

They wanted a core race that was dragony.
Which, incidentally, is the race my wife's gonna be playing now. *G*
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Old 06-25-2008, 10:37 AM
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Re: [4E] Why no half-orcs?

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Why were they dropped as a core race? Hell, they're not even in the MM, IIRC.
bv728 has the consensus speculation covered; I don't think WOTC themselves have given an official reason, but some of their staffers have talked around the same points. You can always use the stats for the Orc in the MM appendix and call it a half-orc, if you want to add 'em back in.
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Old 06-25-2008, 10:37 AM
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Re: [4E] Why no half-orcs?

I always got the feeling that Half-Orcs existed as a way to play an Orc without your alignment being "Evil." But with the way that alignment and player races work, you can now play an Orc without your alignment being evil. So... you know... hooray Orcs!
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Re: [4E] Why no half-orcs?

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The existance of Half-Orcs in the default setting where Orc = Evil necessarily implies rape. They don't want to just gloss it over, and they don't want to deal with it in detail, so Half-Orcs got cut.
The odd thing about this idea is that the only half-elf I associate with D&D is Tanis from Dragonlance. He was conceived from a rape, but half-elfs are still in the game.
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Old 06-25-2008, 11:10 AM
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Re: [4E] Why no half-orcs?

I'm wondering what they'll do about it once Eberron comes round, since one of the biggest Dragonmarked houses in the setting consists mostly of half-orcs. Then again, Eberron has none of the implied rape business of the original half-orcs, instead being symbols of ancient human-orc alliances.

I think they'll either introduce half-orcs in Eberron or just say "Use the stats for orcs but call them half-orcs". Another way to dance around the subject would be to erase half-orcs from the setting fluff and say that House Tharashk consists of humans and full-blooded orcs. Then again, I'd rather just have half-orcs around.
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Re: [4E] Why no half-orcs?

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I think they'll either introduce half-orcs in Eberron or just say "Use the stats for orcs but call them half-orcs". Another way to dance around the subject would be to erase half-orcs from the setting fluff and say that House Tharashk consists of humans and full-blooded orcs. Then again, I'd rather just have half-orcs around.
I would prefer to have the full-blooded orcs around, but I also like having hobgoblins as a PC race.
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Old 06-25-2008, 11:24 AM
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Re: [4E] Why no half-orcs?

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The odd thing about this idea is that the only half-elf I associate with D&D is Tanis from Dragonlance. He was conceived from a rape, but half-elfs are still in the game.
Half-Elves, though, are a MUCH older idea; the circumstances of one Half-Elf are rendered diminuative in light of the legacy of Elrond and the norse Half-Elven.

Furthermore, Elves are not portrayed as a Raiding Evil; the default setting for Orcs is that they're evil raiders, thus placing them squarely outside of the Points of Light.

I imagine that we'll see Half-Orcs return for Ebberon, because Orcs are specifically part of civilization there.
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Re: [4E] Why no half-orcs?

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I always got the feeling that Half-Orcs existed as a way to play an Orc without your alignment being "Evil." But with the way that alignment and player races work, you can now play an Orc without your alignment being evil. So... you know... hooray Orcs!
I like the Half-Orc, they make good adventurers because they don't fit in anywhere and they have to find their own way in the world. I'm much less interested in playing an Orc.
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