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WW: The Flaming
Exalted in both its incarnations has always been a center of nucleation for internet arguments, as has Scion, and I've heard that oMage was similar(if anything, the flamewars were larger).
Is this a common pattern throughout all White Wolf games? What were the major points of contention?
In short, often, yes. The biggest flamewars were fought (and fought bitterly) over oMage and Hunter. Without desiring to re-fight those battles, let me say merely that Mage's feuds centered mainly around the differences between Second Edition and Revised or Third Edition; Hunter's were between two camps who had opposing views on the central focus of the game, and specifically how it differed from a previous supplement in an earlier edition which had filled the "hunter" niche.
All of this is more or less indicative of a larger pattern: people argue, vigorously and vehemently, for or against things they like or loathe.
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Edit: Hm, I'd forgotten that Mage also had many arguments over how exactly a mage character's paradigm influenced the workings of magic and Paradox. Those were fun, too, especially because they had catchy acronyms to sum up their points of view.
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Reason: Forgot a flamewar topic.
Is this a common pattern throughout all White Wolf games?
Yes!
I anxiously await the complaints of enraged Wraith: the Oblivion, Mummy: the Resurrection, or Demon: the Fallen fans when these games are re-made for the New World of Darkness.
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What were the major points of contention?
I will allow the usual suspects to reply.
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I anxiously await the complaints of enraged Wraith: the Oblivion, Mummy: the Resurrection, or Demon: the Fallen fans when these games are re-made for the New World of Darkness.
I'm pretty sure Promethean stole Mummy's thunder, and Wraith has already been reborn and redied as Orpheus (whatever the fuck that was supposed to be...)
In short, often, yes. The biggest flamewars were fought (and fought bitterly) over oMage and Hunter.
Ha. All these pale in comparison with the flame wars surrounding Pimp: The Backhanding, a Whiite Wolf-published card game that really set fire to the powderkeg here. The game was a banned topic for a long time and is still a carefully curtailed one. I believe the Mod ruling that "[y]ou can refer in passing to Pimp: the Backhanding in a discussion as long as it doesn't derail the thread into a Pimp thread" still stands.
There was no game released by that title. Just like there wasn't a Highlander 2.
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Some people LOVE certain arguments. They see a chance to get into that argument? Anything that could be construed as an opening? They're all over that shit. It's like parents with new children, who see every conversational gambit as an excuse to pull out pictures of their Precious Snowflake. Except they don't have pictures, and their Precious Snowflake consists of trying to convince everyone they've got a final solution to arguments that have been going on in one form or another for over a thousand years. --WyzardWhately
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Re: WW: The Flaming
Yes. I'm pretty sure they diliberately encouraged it, to a certain extent. You don't come from no-where to be the second biggest company in an industry within a few years without a certain amount of skill in manipulating the media.
Exalted in both its incarnations has always been a center of nucleation for internet arguments, as has Scion, and I've heard that oMage was similar(if anything, the flamewars were larger).
Is this a common pattern throughout all White Wolf games?
Absolutely
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What were the major points of contention?
Put simply, usually over who's playing the game "right".
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Re: WW: The Flaming
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Put simply, usually over who's playing the game "right".
Oh, yes. I remember these.
Talk about stupid. But the real sad part of it was, they (WW) tried to encourage 'One True Way to Play' with various subsections on how the game was meant, also the morality mechanics that show up in the various games.
Interestingly enough, for me, the best games that actually followed most closely to what WW apparently wanted was done when ST's tossed out the various rules for 'Humanity' (to pick on Vampire) and ran it anyway.
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