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A Note on Wizkids Deep Cuts and Nolzurs...and the painting thereof

Stephen Lea Sheppard

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Huh. Any pigment light / small enough to float up would also float over the heavier pigment in thicker bits in the recesses. So this would need to be a totally transparent pigment, or else the lighter would “overwrite” the heavier.

It sounds most likely to me to be a transparent paint with a carefully calibrated viscosity and probably a certain amount of sales hype.
Their recent Science of Paint article claims "Some contrast paints are suspensions, while others are actually dyes", so it's probably less one universal approach across the whole line and more "A bunch of different solutions for different colors depending on different pigment behaviors, designed individually so they all behave close to the same even though the science might differ depending on which color you're looking at."

Which probably means some Contrast paints will be really useful and some will kinda comparatively sucks, though I don't doubt GW will have put a lot of dev into ensuring none of them such too much.

Thanks for sharing that video, the black over metallic looks gorgeous :O
Leaked stock lists suggest this is going to be bigger than just the release of the Contrast line -- GW is also re-launching all the formerly-thought-discontinued ForgeWorld specialist paint for general distribution, including their clear colors, which are designed to be even more transparent and look even better over metallics than that.

(They're also replacing their white paint with a better one. Again.)
 

Arethusa

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Their recent Science of Paint article claims "Some contrast paints are suspensions, while others are actually dyes", so it's probably less one universal approach across the whole line and more "A bunch of different solutions for different colors depending on different pigment behaviors, designed individually so they all behave close to the same even though the science might differ depending on which color you're looking at."

Which probably means some Contrast paints will be really useful and some will kinda comparatively sucks, though I don't doubt GW will have put a lot of dev into ensuring none of them such too much.
Hmm. Thanks for the link.

Still not at all sure what they mean by titanium white being clumpy. And that is not how oil paintings are done.
 

Gavin Bennett

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Oh the GW white is being replaced?
Good, that thing was awful

Does anyone have a list of the contrast paints?

Because suddenly I am in the market for such a thing. Also some white primer, apparently (of course eejit here spent a LOT of time this last two months preparing and priming - black of course - a lot of Reaper Bones and such, when I could have just white-primed the things and used either the inks above or these Contrast paints)
 

Stephen Lea Sheppard

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Oh the GW white is being replaced?
Good, that thing was awful

Does anyone have a list of the contrast paints?

Because suddenly I am in the market for such a thing. Also some white primer, apparently (of course eejit here spent a LOT of time this last two months preparing and priming - black of course - a lot of Reaper Bones and such, when I could have just white-primed the things and used either the inks above or these Contrast paints)
They just announced the full lineup today.



(Also they're releasing some other new paints. Weirdly, that article doesn't have the full list, going by leaked stock order forms; if you see an Air paint that isn't clear and doesn't have an equivalent Base paint, it's probably being released in a Layer form as well. For example, Kakophoni Purple.)
 

VicenteC

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Leaked stock lists suggest this is going to be bigger than just the release of the Contrast line -- GW is also re-launching all the formerly-thought-discontinued ForgeWorld specialist paint for general distribution, including their clear colors, which are designed to be even more transparent and look even better over metallics than that.

(They're also replacing their white paint with a better one. Again.)
Interesting, I haven't read anything about that. I'll keep an eye on them, thanks a lot!
 

Gavin Bennett

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Well, I got some of the contrast paints too.

I've been using them.

They are fiddly, but when they behave themselves, they are pretty decent.

I tried them on some older metal miniatures with less detail - and that's not really a happy place for these paints. You need the sort of highly, er, contrasted details on contemporary plastic figures for the Contrast Paints to shine. Still, it was worth trying.

But yeah, a mix between inks, Contrast and a few "normal" paints strikes me as the way to go with the Bones, Nolzur and so on figures.
 

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From the contrasts, I'm finding the black, gray, yellows and blood angel red to be particularly outstanding. And yeah, they're fantastic on high detail minis, for less detailed large area you're probably just as well off painting traditionally (and those aren't kind of areas aren't really my pain point anyway).
 

Gavin Bennett

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From the contrasts, I'm finding the black, gray, yellows and blood angel red to be particularly outstanding. And yeah, they're fantastic on high detail minis, for less detailed large area you're probably just as well off painting traditionally (and those aren't kind of areas aren't really my pain point anyway).
Yeah, the red is good.
The yellow (Yanden?) is okayish
The white is grand for lazy ass "this needs to be white, don't care"
The Blood Red is very good.
The snakebite leather is looking great on those furs
The Dark Angels Green is a bit hit and miss.

I'm going to get the black and greys tomorrow.

None of this is world shaking, but if you need D+Dish figures in a hurry, they are useful
 

enoto

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I just call them I-yellow and N-yellow :) I-yellow is more yellow, N-yellow is more brownish. I really like them because they go on super fast in one coat and look pretty good, whereas traditional yellow acrylics are generally a friggen pain. Essentially they have added yellow to my toolbox. I do think in some ways the contrast paints are amazing, but if you are already a pretty competent painter, you're not going to switch wholesale from your existing methodology or anything.

One thing that helps is using detail heavy minis as you noted above. Another is grabbing the Citadel paint app and poaching from that for paint schemes - they're well thought out. I painted a skitarii ranger using the contrast scheme in it and it turned out both fast and good.
 

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I just call them I-yellow and N-yellow :) I-yellow is more yellow, N-yellow is more brownish. I really like them because they go on super fast in one coat and look pretty good, whereas traditional yellow acrylics are generally a friggen pain. Essentially they have added yellow to my toolbox. I do think in some ways the contrast paints are amazing, but if you are already a pretty competent painter, you're not going to switch wholesale from your existing methodology or anything
I've seen some people get very nice yellowy yellows out of Iyanden Yellow, but my pot and the pots I've seen have been very bright orange in most circumstances. Does it just turn more yellow over the right basecoat, or do I need to shake the hell out of them to mix them up, or are they just bad batches, or something else?
 
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