[ARTICLE] On The Fetishisation Of Gay Men By Women In The Slash Community

Valmont

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Now, I don't think that slash fic is in and of itself a problem, but it does seem like it's a vehicle for people to inflict unhealthy obsessions on others. Since apparently it can bleed into the lives of actors and content creators for not conforming to the fans' various headcanons. Or lead to people being treated as adorable puppies instead of as humans. Fandoms are for fun, not for filling a void in your life. And for god's sake, if you're going to write a sex scene, learn how people actually get aroused and have sex!
 

AliasiSudonomo

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It's not without parallel in the other direction, of course (the whole "lipstick lesbian" thing), even porn-wise. (Yaoi remains a thing that exists, even outside of Japan.)

But yes, sometimes in any variety it can get a little concerning.
 

Arilou

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I think there is a good point in that (for good or ill) slash generally isn't about LGBT issues but about about (some) women's sexuality.

Attempts to conflate the two are a bad idea.
 

Naxuul

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At least IME, the way slash fandom can get really toxic and ugly, especially when confronted with the fact that gay men might not actually be into what they're into or care about what they care about, is a big part of why I often find Internet Social Justice stuff so hard to take seriously after having been active in the non-slash Supernatural and Teen Wolf fandom for a while.

The whole 'treating gay men as a monolithic entity', 'treating gay men like cute puppies instead of people' and 'elevating straight allies over gay men' is just bog standard everyday fag hag stuff.

-Naxuul
 

Stephen Lea Sheppard

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Pretty much my take. Fantasies are fine, as long as they don't become anyone else's problem.
Well, that's an issue of statistics. Statistically, people in large numbers pretty much inevitably don't seem capable of not making their fantasies other people's problems. So. What do?
 

DoctorDogGirl

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I think there is a good point in that (for good or ill) slash generally isn't about LGBT issues but about about (some) women's sexuality.

Attempts to conflate the two are a bad idea.
Much the same as any sort of gay porn marketed to straight members of the opposite sex.

Not sure it's a concern when it exists solely in text form, though.

Stephen Lea Shepard said:
Well, that's an issue of statistics. Statistically, people in large numbers pretty much inevitably don't seem capable of not making their fantasies other people's problems. So. What do?
While accurate, historically speaking, trying to make people give up something they enjoy for moral reasons has been...less than successful.
 
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Dantay

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I feel kind of weird about this, since my main concern isn't the more problematic social elements of it, since, as some have already alluded to above, there are good arguments for seeing fetishes and fantasies outside these issues as well as the notion that fantasies are fine so long as they remain so.

Rather, I get annoyed, particularly on Tumblr, by the sheer ubiquity of people slashing everyone and the kitchen sink together in such a way that the characters are left so mangled they are largely unrecognisable.

There is also the issue where any kind of strong emotional bond between two male characters is instantly interpreted as gay. Which is kind of ironic given that the people usually doing the ardent slashing are the same kind of people that repeatedly make posts about their dislike of hegemonic masculinity and how they wish men weren't compelled to fit into such boxes.

Which I guess yeah, is not nearly on the same level as POC/sexism/homophobia/etc, but still kind of itches me.
 

DoctorDogGirl

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Rather, I get annoyed, particularly on Tumblr, by the sheer ubiquity of people slashing everyone and the kitchen sink together in such a way that the characters are left so mangled they are largely unrecognisable.
I think it helps to understand this is less about actual storytelling than a form of mental masturbation. Also, really, even the most preposterous stories can often have an audience.

For a non-slash example, Cassandra Clare made her fortune shipping Ginny Weasley and Draco Malfoy.

As a teenager, I was really into Highlander: The Series and the most active forums had women as the predominate members. Mostly women who did fanfic of Methos and Duncan having sex or Duncan and Richie or some combination thereof.

It wasn't anything related to the real characters but a way for them to enjoy themselves. I'd have been hypocrital given my own Claire Redfield/Jill Valentine fantasies of the time.

:)

Titilation, by itself for itself, isn't bad.
 
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