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Criticism that misses the point

Agamemnon2

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I should probably disclaimer my opinions with the declaration that I hate the kind of "Aha! Gotcha!" morality tales so many classic sci-fi stories and Twilight Zone episodes revolve around, and as such, I am incredibly biased against Black Mirror.
 

petros

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I should probably disclaimer my opinions with the declaration that I hate the kind of "Aha! Gotcha!" morality tales so many classic sci-fi stories and Twilight Zone episodes revolve around, and as such, I am incredibly biased against Black Mirror.
These are the worst parts of the episodes. It sometimes feels like they're giving up on the premise to make it easier to end the episode.

But then you get lines like 'I never expected to be living in the future, but here I fucking well am' (which I use regularly), and episodes like San Junipero where the twist is that they face great odds, the skeletons of the modern day closet, and they WIN.
 

CanoeMan

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This. The problems in each scenario (of the best scenarios) are all things people have been doing for thousands of years, assumptions about how we'll keep jerking each other around in the future.

I'm trying to think of a properly Luddite episode, and Metalhead is the closest. Even then we don't know if the robots went nuts one day (a more Luddite message), or if someone programmed them to start killing everyone (a more misanthropic message). We have minefields in real life, and I'd bet we'll have trouble clearing military AI bots out of warzones in the future.
I just figured they were invaded by the US.
 

Mark D. Eddy

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From everything I've seen, Black Mirror isn't a Luddite series, it's a nihilistic misanthrope one. The difference is one of nuance, not of kind.
The historical Luddites were agrarian socialist utopians, which is about as far from nihilist misanthropy as I can imagine getting. Most modern Luddites are, at heart, humanists, which is kind of at odds with considering them misanthropes.
 

Rose Embolism

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It's also worth pointing out that the historical Luddites had legimate grievences against a new technology; that mechanical looms and weaving frames were being used to replace trained textile artisans with untrained workers, thereby impoversihing the former. Not that I can think of any modern parallel. The idea that workers might object to their livelihoods being destroyed must be anethema to modern society....
 

CanoeMan

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I only watched the very first episode of Black Mirror. It’s one of the most depressing things I’ve ever seen, and a big part of that is its sheer banality. I can’t speak for other episodes—multiple people have assured me that there are much better ones—but the first one really does boil down to “phones bad”. Except they used bestiality to make this incredibly groundbreaking point.
I literally can not see how you can read that episode as meaning "phones bad".
 

Leliel

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Bit of a spoiler here - not that it matters, but for the sake of it, don't read if you don't want to spoil Spider-Man: Far From Home.

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I recently read a comment on a think piece, otherwise unrelated to said comment, that claimed to be weirded out because of the unintentional conservative slant in Marvel recently.

Why? Because both Spider-Man antagonists were blue collar workers screwed over by Stark.

Both movies. Including the latter one.

You know, because the lead of a project researching highly advanced holograms who threw a tantrum because Tony wanted to use it for therapeutic purposes and nicknamed it BARF due to his own self-loathing, then recruited ex-henchmen of the guy who wanted Stark Industries to return to being an utterly amoral arms dealers who felt upset by not being able to provoke a war to sell to both sides is such a champion of the common man. Especially when he's coded as a movie director and an intellectual snob.

All I could think was what blue-collar workers have you met recently, and how can I avoid them?
 
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