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[Epic Game Store]Why prototype00 is going to be a bit more shy with his Kickstarter £.

macd21

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You'd be surprised. TW:3K got a lot of hate from the usual suspects for daring to include some of the notable women from the Ro3K.
Sorry, when I said groundless complaints, I meant groundless complaints about sexualizing minors or some other thing that will actually cause Valve to take action. Valve isn’t going to pull a TW game because someone complains about women being in it, but if someone reported that it included some kind of child porn, they’d pull it and check, even if they don’t believe it for a second.

It’s just that while alt-right assholes will complain about women in TW, it doesn’t annoy them enough to make up bullshit complaints about the game. Significant LGBT representation does.
 

Rikimaru

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Steam currently has no competition in terms of quality or breadth of service - both for the customer and for the developer. No other store offers the full array of services Steam provides and Epic in particular have explitidly stated they have no intention to ever compete with Steam in terms of quality of service, intending to rely on exclusives instead.
If you narrow the definition of "good service" to "they should only allow games I deem worthy", you would have a point, but that's a very suspect definition.

In case you may not have seen my earlier reply:
Rikimaru said:
I was responding specifically to the discussion about Steam’s lack of testing and the amount of broken or misleading games on the store. So in the context of my post, a good service is one that prevents that.
Which was in response to an earlier post here which was discussing getting Steam to a level where games on the service are actually functional and do not advertise features they don't actually have.

I am in no way suggesting restricting the service to games I feel are somehow worthy - just discussing the point raised by someone else about excluding games that are broken messes.

Personally, none of those issues are what drove me away from buying from Steam - my main issue was the hassle caused by the bank flagging my credit card for fraud activity every time I try purchasing something from Steam because Steam won't use the two factor authentication services provided by Visa and Mastercard (and others?) and as a result there's a high volume of stolen credit card usage on Steam. Well, according to my bank there is anyway.
 

Tambourine

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Sorry, when I said groundless complaints, I meant groundless complaints about sexualizing minors or some other thing that will actually cause Valve to take action. Valve isn’t going to pull a TW game because someone complains about women being in it, but if someone reported that it included some kind of child porn, they’d pull it and check, even if they don’t believe it for a second.

It’s just that while alt-right assholes will complain about women in TW, it doesn’t annoy them enough to make up bullshit complaints about the game. Significant LGBT representation does.
Although there's also the issue of capitalism to contend here. Valve isn't going to take down a TW game no matter what, because Sega is a major publisher with significant clout and a lot of money to throw around, whereas a hypothetical LGBTQ-friendly game from a small indie developer would be vastly more vulnerable to frivolous takedown attempts.
 

Tambourine

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I think you're ascribing a position to me that I don't hold.

I don't think there's a biasless store or such. But I think that Valve trying to remove biases is a much better situation, given its market position, than trying to add the right biases (given that that tends to backfire.)
Can you elaborate on what you mean by "trying to remove biases"? I really don't get where you are coming from there.
 

thuryl

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To bring things back a little closer to the original topic of the thread, Shenmue 3's publisher has now announced that the game will have bonus preorder DLC... which retail preorder customers will get for free but Kickstarter backers will have to pay extra for. This seems like such a weirdly petty way for the publisher to burn their remaining goodwill; at least with the Epic thing there was presumably a meaningful amount of money in it for them, but even if every backer paid for the DLC they'd only make a few hundred thousand dollars extra on a game with an eight-figure budget.
 

Therion

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That.. that's just very sad for the people who backed it. And I'm not even considerig the cost aspect, it's just scummy.
 

Ferrus Animus

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Can you elaborate on what you mean by "trying to remove biases"? I really don't get where you are coming from there.
The post I originally replied to of yours was basically "If they have the issues with content curation, because of certain biases causing for example LGBT media to be restricted, they can just hire some experts to help them". To which my answer was, that it is not that easy and that your solution has the potential to backfire.
 

Tambourine

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The post I originally replied to of yours was basically "If they have the issues with content curation, because of certain biases causing for example LGBT media to be restricted, they can just hire some experts to help them". To which my answer was, that it is not that easy and that your solution has the potential to backfire.
Given that Steam's content curation is already homophobic and transphobic, I don't see how it could make the situation worse.
 

Bremen

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Given that Steam's content curation is already homophobic and transphobic, I don't see how it could make the situation worse.
They.... they could not allow GLBT friendly content on their store, thus effectively blocking it from the PC mass market?

I'm kind of unsure of how your post can actually be serious? I mean, I disagree that Steam's content curation is consistently homophobic and transphobic to begin with, but even if it was, it's abundantly clear that it could be so much worse.
 

Tambourine

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The post I originally replied to of yours was basically "If they have the issues with content curation, because of certain biases causing for example LGBT media to be restricted, they can just hire some experts to help them". To which my answer was, that it is not that easy and that your solution has the potential to backfire.
They.... they could not allow GLBT friendly content on their store, thus effectively blocking it from the PC mass market?

I'm kind of unsure of how your post can actually be serious? I mean, I disagree that Steam's content curation is consistently homophobic and transphobic to begin with, but even if it was, it's abundantly clear that it could be so much worse.
Again, Steam is not a pure free marketplace of ideas where anything goes and people are free to put any game they want there for any reason.
I am not engaging in this purely hypothetical thought exercise where we weigh the benefits and drawbacks of absolute freedom of speech vs. government control - and frankly I have a hard time recognizing whether you and Ferrus are doing that or are simply having a different idea how well Valve is curating Steam's content.

But I am argueing from the position that Valve is acting - and always has acted - as a gatekeeper for whatever content arrives on Steam's market, and we know that their gatekeeping has an anti-LGBTQ and pro-right wing edgelord bias.
 
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