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[IWIW] Sailor Moon R (thread 4 of a continuing series)

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Blazing Bat

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Anyway, enough stalling. Here it is, two episodes overdue but big and bold: the latest illustrated recap.
Wow, huge!

The Asterix inspiration was unexpected, but it works, and adapted to the combat scene, it's hilarious. I particularly like Usagi's twisty pose with the sceptre strike. PAF! indeed.

And that's a sinister force indeed. Her red eyes should be glowing in that silhouette ;)

I'm also impressed with that pose where Usagi lies on her back after Mamoru breaks up with her. Very well-drawn.

Chibi-Usa is recognisable, but I think her hair is a bit too long? Warning: don't search for reference pics as you'll almost certainly find spoilers. I sure did without even trying.

The childhood pic of the sisters is pretty fun, and that's a nice use of gradients for the background. I have a bit of trouble telling Petz and Cavaleras apart without their distinctive hairstyles, though.

As for the comic with Usagi and Luna discussing Chibi-Usa's ancestry, that's the first one with actual drawn backgrounds, right? It works. It's also close to Usagi's character as displayed in the show.

Rei exploding at Mamoru is fun too, and backing down after being told that it's because of a vision even more so. The panel with the blue background is the hug that was so hard to get right?

"And that settles it for you" I love Minako's expression. But what are they going to do with that ladder and paint?

Tuxedo Mask's role as confusing the enemy, rather than inspiring the girls works too.

Chocolate comic - fun too. Who would have thought that Rubeus has a sweet tooth?

"Are we soldiers or police?" Police more than anything else, I would say. Their speeches/posing is basically shouting "cease and desist!" at the miscreants, where soldiers would take the advantage offered by surprise, and they investigate supernatural crimes and help the victims. Plus, they team up on their enemies, which isn't a knightly thing to do.

... is that Artemis holding a monocle in his paw? This set of panels with orange background looks more precisely drawn than the rest. Thinner pencil?

The blue pic, of course, illustrates very well how ridiculous the blindness of the enemies is. At least it's not limited to them alone. Even characters who frequently interact with both forms of the senshi tend to be fooled. Must be magic.

Art-wise, the first big pic with Chibi-Usa crossing her arms really stood out. It feels a bit above the rest for some reason. Composition, I think.

"It means that even centuries from now, someone thinks I'm responsible?" I would be more worried about random descendants showing up all the time to pester me ;)

I also love Usagi's expression in the final panel of the leadership comic. However, I must confess that I can't remember a scene where she actually does come up with a plan for the team, rather than just signing off on one.

Makoto-hiding behind Ami? But she's shorter than you! She's very well-drawn in that panel left of the one full of butterflies. Ami seems to be channelling Akane Tendo a bit later, though ;)

All in all, a great recap. That must have been a lot of work. I wonder why you decided to do it before the end of the phantom sisters arc, though - after all, it couldn't take much more time. There's only two of them left.
 

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Ah, nice to see you back.
And I again see you keep belittleling your own art. Not that most of us could do it any better, even *if* we tried...

Nice coloring with the 4 Phantom sisters, also, their portraial as kids was hilarious, and seemed even adequate, too...;)
BTW, have you done the part with the other 2 Fandom sisters being transformed already ?
If not, I may suggest that you wait a bit before you again work your fingers bloody for a painted recap. I could tell you why, but then I would be spoilering...
*laughs crazevil*:D
I then will also give a little image (only linked, mind you) myself.

Well, I see what you did with Ami/Mako (and I feel a bit responsibel for it, too...).
Well, now, I hoped to bring in a little wisecracking of mine next season, which this hinders a bit...well, well, I guess I will have to work around that to work it in, then...
But, as always, yous recap is entertaining and enlightening at the same time.
"Sanctuary"? Well, that at least gives a reason. Not one that would stand a chance against actual military planning, but for the series, it at least gives one.

And I also saw that you are thinking of viewing the musical. I guess, with your standing in the series, it will be the very first one. It had, as you already know, awful costumes, but the combat choreography was most decent there.
Plus, it already had everything needed for a real Sera Myu.
BTW, as you brought the talk already on to Asterix :)cool:)...
Remember how Roman Legionaries stand Attention ? Just keep that image in mind when you watch the Musical, you will know the point...:D
Oh, and onto the guy himself:
He is small, witty, quick and smart. More like Ami, innit ?

But Minako as "a Majestic"...
That had me, the look on Luu and Arties faces were priceless...:D

OK, looking forward to the continuation...
 

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Same way you get to Carnegie Hall, mate.
Take the N, Q, R, or W line to the 57th Street station?

Seriously, though, all that practice is definitely paying off for you. Though you've always had a gift for panel timing and dialogue, which to me is the most difficult part of doing sequential art.

Have you read Scott McCloud's "Understanding Comics"?
 

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One thing that surprised me is that you set the recap comic after Berthier's heelface turn, but before the elder sisters'. Heck, I was expecting it to take place after Rubeus's denouement...
I'd started writing it before those episodes, to try to save time, and ended up realizing that I was going to lose half the jokes and need to rearrange the pacing if I set it after the later episodes. So I set it there, instead. This way, I'll start the next recap with something like, "Having converted all the Four Sisters, the Sailors now face new enemies…"




Love the Asterix mash-up, though some of pairings don't quite work (Ami as Cacofonix, really ?).
Cacofonix was the only one left…


And some comments about the artwork :
- I have some mixed feelings about color flats mixed with pencil figures. Sometimes it really works (Chibi-Usa's ominous building-top appearance), and sometimes it just obscures the art (the roll call for the baddies, in particular). Interesting experiment, but not wholly successful. Partial color touches tend to work a lot better on average.
I have mixed feelings as well, for much the same reasons. You'll note that different pages used slightly differently techniques, too, partly because I couldn't always remember what exactly I'd done before, and partly because I was intentionally experimenting to see what worked best.

I think the best color usage is the various bedroom conversations, most particularly Usagi's room. The others, not so much.

And now I know!

Next time, I'll try more black-and-white shading.


(Also, I'm just now noticing Artemis's monocle.)
Pip pip.

On the other hand, what the heck is Ami wearing during the surrounding scenes ? The coloring doesn't help, either.
It's supposed to be a loose blouse with a bow and brooch on the front, and blue jeans, neither of which quite match, because it's Ami.




WAnd that's a sinister force indeed. Her red eyes should be glowing in that silhouette ;)
Well, it's supposed to be her looking out at the Crystal Destroyer, but of course in silhouette you can't see that.

I'm also impressed with that pose where Usagi lies on her back after Mamoru breaks up with her. Very well-drawn.
Took three tries. Thank you.

Chibi-Usa is recognisable, but I think her hair is a bit too long? Warning: don't search for reference pics as you'll almost certainly find spoilers. I sure did without even trying.
I continue to struggle with Chibi-Usa. Little kids are hard, and little kids with weird hair are harder.


The panel with the blue background is the hug that was so hard to get right?
Yeah. Ten frikkin' redraws. Different angles, different arrangements of arms…



But what are they going to do with that ladder and paint?
I think it's a water bucket, and they're heading to clean off the roof and the gutters, or wash something off a high wall, or something like that. Yard work.

Chocolate comic - fun too. Who would have thought that Rubeus has a sweet tooth?
Oh, no, he's putting those straight in the incinerator. He's too mean to enjoy chocolate.


... is that Artemis holding a monocle in his paw? This set of panels with orange background looks more precisely drawn than the rest. Thinner pencil?
I don't think so. I think those pages were the ones I was working at a larger size, which helped on the panels. I have a bad habit of trying to scrunch everything into a tiny space.


The blue pic, of course, illustrates very well how ridiculous the blindness of the enemies is. At least it's not limited to them alone. Even characters who frequently interact with both forms of the senshi tend to be fooled. Must be magic.
Indeed.


I also love Usagi's expression in the final panel of the leadership comic. However, I must confess that I can't remember a scene where she actually does come up with a plan for the team, rather than just signing off on one.
No, but my parody Usagi has been somewhat more enthusiastic, so that reflects it.

Makoto-hiding behind Ami? But she's shorter than you!
Gotta crouch low. :)




Take the N, Q, R, or W line to the 57th Street station?

Seriously, though, all that practice is definitely paying off for you. Though you've always had a gift for panel timing and dialogue, which to me is the most difficult part of doing sequential art.

Have you read Scott McCloud's "Understanding Comics"?

Oh, yes, and "Reinventing"—and I skimmed "Making." Some of McCloud's enthusiasms leave me cold, but his raw and directed passion for the form is always inspiring. I've read Eisner's "Sequential Art," too.

Actually, I did a comic a year or two ago, I think, on the topic of 'shipping and hentai where I even did a McCloud walk on. Lemme see… yeah, here's the relevant page:



Okay, now see, this? This is why you should always keep your old writings, sketches, whatever around, folks. You see how much I've improved since then, a relatively short time ago? Whenever I feel like, "Oh God I suck I'm horrible I'll never be any good," I pull out some old work—and in no time, I'm cured, because MY GOD I can do better than that. :p
 

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Actually, I did a comic a year or two ago, I think, on the topic of 'shipping and hentai where I even did a McCloud walk on. Lemme see… yeah, here's the relevant page:



Okay, now see, this? This is why you should always keep your old writings, sketches, whatever around, folks. You see how much I've improved since then, a relatively short time ago? Whenever I feel like, "Oh God I suck I'm horrible I'll never be any good," I pull out some old work—and in no time, I'm cured, because MY GOD I can do better than that. :p
... where is the rest of this? <he asked casually>

Chris Davies.
 

Cruton

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There's an interesting essay called "Princess Peach the Porn Star: Power Dynamics in Erotic Video Game Fanfiction" by Bonnie Ruberg in the 2009 Arse Elektronika anthology. She talks a bit on the topic of why people could possibly want to eroticize popular characters and what attracts them to it over similar material with original characters. She pretty much forces the idea that writing fanfiction is a sexual act, in and of itself, but she had a tangent I think can be reapplied to general shipping in a larger sense.

Erotic fan fiction offers a venue for younger, inexperienced fans to approach sex in a non-threatening way. While sex in the abstract may seem daunting, these stories give them a chance to explore the acts they've been hearing/thinking about with characters that feel familiar and safe.
Maybe shipping is really just an attempt to approach our own romantic anxieties and fascinations with characters we would like to use as expies or even role models? Obviously, it's a combination of different things, to different degrees, in each different fan. But I think the idea makes sense.
 

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Maybe shipping is really just an attempt to approach our own romantic anxieties and fascinations with characters we would like to use as expies or even role models? Obviously, it's a combination of different things, to different degrees, in each different fan. But I think the idea makes sense.
I think that is a bunch of it, especially with the younger folks. (Not that I'm all that old, but you know what I mean.) These are characters you know, in contexts you know, so you take the pieces you've got and play with them—in this case, as an act of self-exploration, rather than (as I've been doing) joking with friends with a bit of commentary/analysis. (Though art practice is also self-exploration, too, of a sort…)

I also find that looking at fanfic and the like in terms of older media help contextualize things. Before rigid copyrights, writers were always riffing off known works, comparing characters to other characters and writing love poems about Greek gods and so worth… and when you get into the realm of myth/legend/bardic lore and morality plays and so on, you have a lot of what are essentially established characters getting thrown around however the artist pleases. Look at the Arthurian mythos. Our concept of characters as specific to a single artist—or corporation—is partly an artifact of copyright law, and the concept of the fanficker as "not quite a real artist" is a combination of that and the disdain some have for mass media and self-created media. (It's not real art because it's just some plebe's hack interpretation of a mass media franchise. But it has meaning to the plebe, if no one else!)

I mean, in a way, any Madonna icon created personally (rather than at the behest of the Church) is simply fanart of Mary, Mother of God.
 

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Re: Just a Minor Update: Interviews with Takeuchi and seiyuu

First victim, Hisakawa Aya, voice of Ami. A ponytailed comedian, who emphasizes that she's a lot different from the character she voices. And then inadvertantly demonstrates: while in a digression about Osakan comedy styles, she starts playing with the dialect (because she's from that area), then she suddenly stops, and laughs, saying, "Oops! My fans probably got terrified now…" from all the Yakuza talk.
"Is Mercury gonna have to kill a bitch?"
 
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