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[IWIW Sailor Moon S] Thread 7: All Good Sailors Go To Heaven

dshaffer

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Re: Episode #102: The Pure Heart Stolen! Usagi's Biggest Crisis.

She's playing the white furred, air headed one.
I brought this up a while back...considered it highly ironic, myself. Of course, this set of magical girls have different issues to handle, but they were about as bad a Usagi in the beginning.
 

zakueins

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Hmmm, an idea for the "The Wire" Magical Girl story...

Think of all the stories of the Fae-all the bad ones-curses, the Wyld Hunt, being turned into monsters, etc, etc...which leads to the question of if they're so powerful, why haven't they taken over the world yet?

Simple-a long, long time ago, humanity made a deal with the Fae. Basically, everybody stays on their side of the lines, there are rules and agreements. And, if any Fae come hunting in our world and some wizard, warrior, or magical girl pops one it's in the contract (under "if you get killed having fun on Earth and it's in the rules, there's no vengeance. If the rules are broken, however..."). Governments keep this under wraps-mostly because if they don't, somebody might break the rules and humanity doesn't have the tools-yet-to be able to stand anywhere close to even with the Fae on an open battlefield.

Our Magical Girl finds out about the first part (governments making deals with the Fae), but not the second (that there's a contract that protects way more people than will ever be harmed) or the third (humanity is getting close to developing the tools needed to stand even with the Fae). She's going to blow the whole thing open...which would be open war and humanity being enslaved by the Fae. The MiBs are deciding what they should do, and it's all getting interesting.
 

Kurotowa

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I see two problems with that setup. The first is that the "government hiding secret pacts with aliens" plot feels so painfully X-Files to me. The second is that if humanity can't deal with the Fae in open battle, and the Fae are willing to go to open war, then how or why was this pact instituted in the first place? It seems awfully one-sided.
 

JohnBiles

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I see two problems with that setup. The first is that the "government hiding secret pacts with aliens" plot feels so painfully X-Files to me. The second is that if humanity can't deal with the Fae in open battle, and the Fae are willing to go to open war, then how or why was this pact instituted in the first place? It seems awfully one-sided.
A heroic human manipulated the Fae into the treaty and they can't break their word, so long as humans don't break it either.
 

Ratoslov

Exploding Murderer
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The second is that if humanity can't deal with the Fae in open battle, and the Fae are willing to go to open war, then how or why was this pact instituted in the first place? It seems awfully one-sided.
They're the Fae. There are two consistent character traits of the Fair Folk:
1. They're ludicrously powerful immortal amoral monsters.
2. They constantly fall for ruses that wouldn't trick a smart 6-year old and are bound by their word.
 

JohnBiles

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They're the Fae. There are two consistent character traits of the Fair Folk:
1. They're ludicrously powerful immortal amoral monsters.
2. They constantly fall for ruses that wouldn't trick a smart 6-year old and are bound by their word.
I now have this image of Chibi-Usa stealing their pants and then she won't give them back until they promise not to invade the Earth.

(A lot of stories in which someone marries a faerie are pretty similar to this.)
 

zakueins

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X-Files DOES work, esp. if you make sure to add a whole "what faction is what" thing.

The second...think Loki. Think Coyote. Think every great trickster in Humanity's mythological history. One of them catches the Winter Queen in a deal that sets borders that have stood firm for nearly 3,000 years...they can hunt, but they have to go back and if they're killed here, their allies can't claim vengeance. And, the Fae work on agreements-if your word is good, things happen. If you ever break a deal...oh boy...and the Magical Girl, in all innocence is going to break the deal...

I see two problems with that setup. The first is that the "government hiding secret pacts with aliens" plot feels so painfully X-Files to me. The second is that if humanity can't deal with the Fae in open battle, and the Fae are willing to go to open war, then how or why was this pact instituted in the first place? It seems awfully one-sided.
 

zakueins

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Hmmm, having a....silly idea for a Season 2 Ali and En "highly competent" plot...

Spoiler: Show

(About after Episode 56...)

*AROUND THE DOOM TREE
Ali: I just had an idea...
En (curious): Oh, does those words fill me with dread...
Ali (raised eyebrow): You've been watching Top Gear again?
En: I like the show. I think it's pretty neat, and... (blushes) Okay, I'd admit that I want to kidnap Richard Hammond, rip his clothes off, and have lots of cute little human/elf hybrid babies...and, I'm not complaining at all about your Catherine Tate wall...
Ali: Well, my idea is...we're not getting a lot of energy from this world, and I'm thinking maybe we need to aim a bit different in our energy collection standards. You remember that world we landed on, the one that was all islands and had the three moons...
En (nostalgia sparkles): Oh yes, and how the fish would leap during spawning season and they had that whole festival...
Ali (nostalgia sparkles): The whole Festival of Sharing...parties, events, masquerade balls, not a questions asked about who's child was who if they were conceived about then...
En (nostalgia sparkles): There were those two lovely girls that you just had so much fun with...
Ali (nostalgia sparkles): And, there were those boys...you looked so lovely in the moonlight...
END NOSTALGIA MOMENT
Ali (suddenly serious): Anyways! I thought about all the energy we got there...shame the planet blew up...
En (interrupting): I told you to go to the bathroom before we left...
Ali (makes a "accepting the hit" gesture): Yes, that was my fault. Anyways, I'm thinking that instead of collecting life energy, we should be collecting lust energy instead. And...
En (giggling with anticipation): You have a Cardian that would work!
Ali (showman's gesture of showing off the new Cardian-something that looks like what you'd get if you mixed up Cupid and an drow in a blender): Ta-da! Romancia! Let her loose, and there will be so much lust in town that we'll get HUGE amounts of energy!
En (dancing with joy!): I LIKE IT! It'll be an awesome good time, and these humans are such stuck up prudes, it'll be good for them to loosen up a bit. (Sly smile.) And, Ali...if you decide you want to try and chase the Rabbit while Romancia is out there, I'll be cheering you on...
Ali (smiling): And, if you can trip up Mamoru while the moon is out...you have my blessings. Indeed, I think you have my full support. I mean, I can think you'd do such wonderful things like...
(Ali kisses En deeply on her neck)
En: Ooooohhhh! <3
(En trips Ali, we hear make-out sounds and hearts coming from the bottom of the screen...)

SCENES SNIPPED FOR COMEDY PURPOSES

As we see Ami, Minako, and Makoto coming through town, it's as if love is in the air-school kids being nice to each other, adults being all cuddly and doing large amounts of PDAs, parents being affectionate with their kids and the affections being reciprocated, etc, etc. Something to note, there is no "wrong" relationships (i.e. kids with adults or vice verse) that look romantic and/or erotic...

*DESPERATE SHRINE SEARCH!
(Minako, Makoto, and Ami arrive at the Shrine)
Ami (desperate): We've looked everywhere else, this is the only place they can be!
Minako (looking around): If the Cardian got them, too...who knows what could happen...
Makoto (listening): Do you hear something?
(All three of them look around to the shrine's main building...and there's a faint sound from there...)
Makoto: Come on!

(They come up to the door, and Makoto starts knocking on the screen door. We can hear vague sounds from inside...)
Makoto: Usagi! Rei! Are you all right? There's a really weird monster out there and we need your help! If we don't defeat it now, you'll probably having at least one new sibling in nine months...
Ami (waiting): I don't think they heard us...
Minako (frustrated): That's it! (Yelling, and grabbing the door handle.) USAGI! REI! WE'RE COMING IN!
(Minako opens the door, and...)

*A UNIQUE DISCOVERY!
(Usagi and Rei are surrounded by bishi sparkles...very much in flagiro delicate, and all the sparkles and such are keeping the scene barely on the sides of Standards and Practices. Mind you, the scene is not in any way pornographic, but it is very interesting...and very beautiful and honest and artistic, as if Van Rubens went into erotic art.)
Usagi: YES! YES! YES, REI, YES!!!!!!
(Makoto, Minako, and Ami are all looking on the scene, wide-eyes, jaws dropped. With a single swift gesture, Makoto closes the door and the three of them hide on the other side of the door.)
Ami (in shock): Usagi and Rei...
Minako (in shock): They were...
Makoto (in shock and terror): We're screwed...
(Ami and Minako looks at Makoto.)
Makoto: Think about it for just a second...have any of the monsters lately caused memory loss? Amnesia? We caught Usagi and Rei in an intimate position. When this is all over, Rei will remember and...
Ami (eyes wide): She's gonna kill us.
Minako (starts to clutch Ami): Oh, no...that's the last thing she'll do. I'm worried about the time between now and then...
Makoto (clutches onto Ami and Minako): Me too...and...guys, please, just hold me...
(The three of them hug each other for dear life...)
 

AkeiArkay

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Um. Yes. Well.
...I suppose it's better that happened when Chibi-Usa wasn't around.

Anyway, I just thought of something. The most powerful force in the Sailorverse is LOVE, right? Well, with the exception of Jadeite and his little black book, virtually every sub-boss in the series has been part of some kind of dysfunctional relationship. Nephrite fell for his own target... Ali and En tried to cheat on each other... the Phantom Sisters were being used... Esmeraude and Kaoli Night suffered from unrequited love. But there's an exception.

Which midboss in the series was in a genuinely stable, loving relationship?
And which midboss is widely considered the most competent of the lot?
Hint: He came very close to actually killing Tuxedo Mask...

Conclusion! If you want to beat the Sailor Senshi, get yourself a girlfriend or boyfriend and treat them right. ;)
 

Ununnilium

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Personally, what I think the superhero genre needs right now is less corruption, less darkness, less good people being pulled down by the futility of life, and more good people lifting up the people around them, breaking the back of corrupt organizations and individuals, changing things from the inside and out.

And, honestly, Sailor Moon fits that idea perfectly; Usagi lifts people up with the power of her love, making the impossible possible et cetera.
Spoiler: Show
The end of S is probably the biggest example of this, as she triumphs even over the need for sacrifice. (Incidentally, this is why Usagi isn't the Messiah. A Messiah sacrifices themselves for the greater good, but Usagi goes to the next level, bypassing the idea of sacrifice altogether.)


Not that some of the ideas here don't apply to that, too. I especially like:

Alternately you could go the Exalted route and have everything be living, breathing mundane realism except when there's a Senshi in-frame, because Senshi drag their superheroism genre around with them and force the rest of the world to acknowledge it, leaving general chaos in their wake.
...but on a more positive note. Senshi actively pull the world up to a nobler, more iconic level - one where the personifications of the darkness of daily life really can be defeated with a bit of cleverness and The Power Of Love.
 
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