On the Radar

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NPC

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This thread has spawned out of the KoK thread I started yesterday. I invite everyone to discuss Kenzer & Co. and their various products (KODT, Hackmaster, Fairy Meat, etc) here.

Posts about Kingdoms of Kalamar setting and products can go on the thread of the same name.

I like Kenzer's standards of quality, I like the fact that they are a small business of gamers, by gamers and for gamers! It brings back memories of when gaming seemed more pure to me. Rather than the post 80's corruption of commercialism that seemed to be felt almost Industry wide.

I like the fact that they make themselves available to there public on a daily basis. And are able to stay in tune with the wants and needs of their customers without doing but tons of maket research on the spending habits of 12 year olds.

I like their attention to detail, love of the game and David and Goliath-like position in the industry.

I don't have an explanation as to why they or palladium for that matter have been Under the radar here on RPG.net as I am new.

I will however continue to champion their D+D setting for many of the reasons above and the enjoyment I get from the game.
 
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NPC Whymme

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NPC said:
I like Kenzer's standards of quality, I like the fact that they are a small business of gamers, by gamers and for gamers! It brings back memories of when gaming seemed more pure to me. Rather than the post 80's corruption of commercialism that seemed to be felt almost Industry wide.
Pfew! That sounds like a slap in the face of companies like Atlas Games, Hogshead, GoO and almost all other companies out there. Not to forget the several one- or two-man enterprises that so many people on these boards are a part of.

This industry as a whole is, save for one or two (maybe three) big names, not the place to make big money. If it was about commercialism, nobody would work in this industry. RPGs simply don't make money. Everybody in the industry is there because they love games.

I like the fact that they make themselves available to there public on a daily basis. And are able to stay in tune with the wants and needs of their customers without doing but tons of maket research on the spending habits of 12 year olds.
Oh, good, then you will like virtually every other company in the industry as well. Look around on this site; you will find frequent posts by people in the industry. In general, people in the industry are very approachable; they participate in forum discussions, on usenet and wherever you will. Most companies respond quickly if you mail them, too. And market research? Apart from the occasional thing by WotC that does not happen in this industry. And even for WotC, the main method of gathering market information is listening to the people who play their, or other, games.

I like their attention to detail, love of the game and David and Goliath-like position in the industry..
As I've said, most companies here are David-sized. K&K is nothing special in that regard. They all love their games - it's what brought them into the industry in the first place. And that results in attention to detail and all.

I will however continue to champion their D+D setting for many of the reasons above and the enjoyment I get from the game.
Do what you must. But if it is for the reasons above, you should champion all those products from all those other companies as well.

Whymme
 

david

Undead Gunslinger
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I like their attention to detail, love of the game and David and Goliath-like position in the industry.
Interesting.... because, around here, people tend to think that WoTC is Goliath... so in your analogy, David figured he couldn't bring the big guy down, so he joined up with him. After all, Kingdoms of Kalamar is the only third party setting that carries the actual DND logo (Ravenloft, the other licensed setting carries WW's Sword and Sorcery logo). They also have the rights to put out officially licensed DND comics. Mr. David meet Mr. Goliath, Mr. Goliath... Mr. David. Shake hands and make some games and comics. :D

Sorry... I just really hate all the "corporate" bashing that 'big' RP companies get around here... and found this one particularly humorous.

david (who would love to buddy-buddy with Goliath and make games and comics!)
 

BiggusGeekus

Cooler than Carrottop
#5
Minor nitpick:

The RPG industry worldwide makes less money than the quilt-making industry. So when we talk about those "big RPG companies" let's all give a pause to think about those powerhouses and megacorporations that knit quilts.

We're not exactly in a position to get divisive.
 

Captain Howdy

sudsy powers of hell!
Validated User
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I'd like to touch on a couple of points:

First, KenzerCo is a Goliath among Davids, and a David next to WotC. And all of 'em put together, standing on each other's shoulders, would make the paint-by-numbers industry look positively gigundous. Think David and Cthulhu.

Bloody hell, I do hate the goddamn paint-by-numbers industry.

Second, I agree, let's talk about those wonderful Kenzerco products which go unmentioned in public forums so terribly often. I will obligingly begin:

Fairy Meat is a lovely game, don't you think?

:)

-Scott
 

Sayburr

Retired User
#7
Re: Re: On the Radar

NPC Whymme said:


Everybody in the industry is there because they love games.

Whymme
It seems Monte Cook doesn't agree with this statement:

http://www.montecook.com/anrant.html


In the corner of the game industry that is d20, I need two hands to count all the game professionals I know who are working on products but do not play the game regularly. I can think of at least a few who -- I'm fairly certain -- have never played a session of 3rd Edition D&D.
 
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NPC Whymme

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>>In the corner of the game industry that is d20, I need two hands to count all the game professionals I know who are working on products but do not play the game regularly. I can think of at least a few who -- I'm fairly certain -- have never played a session of 3rd Edition D&D.

So there are six to ten D20 designers who don't play D&D regularly? Gee, shock. Apart from the fact that this is only a small number, that doesn't mean that they don't play any RPG. I myself don't play D&D, but I could imagine partnering up with someone who knows that game intimately to write scenario's and backgrounds together.

Monty's rant is for people who create D20 products who don't play D&D. It's not about non-gamers who create RPGs. Different thing.

Whymme
 
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NPC Sling-bearer

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Why can't we all just get along?

Wowsers.

There were some pretty bitter-reading posts up above. As one poster previously stated, this is a tiny, tiny industry. ALL the companies deserve support based on dedication and so forth, I agree.

But let's not slam someone simply because he vocalized his support about one company in particular (especially, the wonderful, terrific, geeky-gamer-goobs he's chosen!).

And Fairy Meat IS a particularly nice game. Very underrated if you ask me.

David S. Kenzer
 

Christian

Go big or go home.
Validated User
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NPC said:

I like Kenzer's standards of quality, I like the fact that they are a small business of gamers, by gamers and for gamers!
Yeah, they are good folks. They bought an article from me, were nice to my wife at the San Diego Comic Con by signing a book she bought, and they do fine work. Then again, there are LOTS of nice folks in this industry. For example, the fellows from Fiery Dragon are off the hook friendly.
 
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