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[Riff] Alternate Treks: Logical Klingons, Machiavellian Vulcans and Death-Before-Dishonor Romulans

BabbageCliologic

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A Federation starship encounters an ion storm while having their warp field collapse, sending the ship into yet another universe, two steps to the left and one step forward from the Mirror Universe, one with logical Klingons, machiavellian Vulcans and death-before-dishonor Romulans.

How would the Federation be different? Would there even be a Federation? Who would have encountered Cochrane when he did his first Warp jump? What would Pike, Kirk, Spock, McCoy, Scotty, Sulu, Uhura, Checkov, Picard, Riker, Troi, Data, Geordie, Worf, Crusher and Wesley, plus all the rest, have been like?

How would the ship make it back to it's own universe?

Feel free to riff on it.....
 
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The Watcher

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How about Transhuman Earth, as an inverse of the prime Earth's taboo against genetic engineering?
 

Ricohard1986

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Are vulcans still the ones to make first contact with earth? They're still one of the closer races galactically but it really depends.

Does a machiavellian Vulcan take more effort in binding humans into being a client race and using us much more as disposable (such as in their war with the andorians)

As such the initial Federation might end up being a break away earth, Andor and Telar (depending on how they differ) and then logical Qu'onos, with vulcan actually being the enemy, which leaves a very odd shaped federation given Vulcan's location.
 

Wolfwood2

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A Federation starship encounters an ion storm while having their warp field collapse, sending the ship into yet another universe, two steps to the left and one step forward from the Mirror Universe, one with logical Klingons, machiavellian Vulcans and death-before-dishonor Romulans.
The interesting thing is if we assume that they otherwise have the same goals. So Machiavellian Vulcans spin conspiracies as a way of channeling and controlling their violent passions into non-destructive ends. Logical Klingons still intend to conquer and subjugate the universe for their own benefit. Death-before-dishonor Romulans are still paranoid as hell, constantly assuming that the universe is out to get them.
 

Ricohard1986

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The interesting thing is if we assume that they otherwise have the same goals. So Machiavellian Vulcans spin conspiracies as a way of channeling and controlling their violent passions into non-destructive ends. Logical Klingons still intend to conquer and subjugate the universe for their own benefit. Death-before-dishonor Romulans are still paranoid as hell, constantly assuming that the universe is out to get them.
also, what exactly happened that led to the 'death before dishonour' romulans to Flee their homeworld? were they tricked out of it?
 

Cerulean Lion

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also, what exactly happened that led to the 'death before dishonour' romulans to Flee their homeworld? were they tricked out of it?
They made a bargain. It worked out that in order to keep their part of the bargain, they had to leave the homeworld. Which they did, because they are honorable and keep their promises.
 

Wolfwood2

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They made a bargain. It worked out that in order to keep their part of the bargain, they had to leave the homeworld. Which they did, because they are honorable and keep their promises.
Or they got pissy because they lost the cultural war over Vulcan's direction and flounced off in a huff. I mean, how could anyone expect them to live in a society where they can't brutally kill anyone they think has insulted them? The nerve!
 

BabbageCliologic

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Perhaps Kahless went to Romulus after the Klingons rejected his teachings and Surek went to Qu'onos after the Vulcans rejected his teachings....
 
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The interesting thing is if we assume that they otherwise have the same goals. So Machiavellian Vulcans spin conspiracies as a way of channeling and controlling their violent passions into non-destructive ends. Logical Klingons still intend to conquer and subjugate the universe for their own benefit. Death-before-dishonor Romulans are still paranoid as hell, constantly assuming that the universe is out to get them.
This reminds me of some of my ideas on the mirror-Dominion, based on a comment by one of the DS9 writers (I'm pretty sure it was either Ron Moore or Robert Hewitt Wolfe) that a Mirror Dominion would be dedicated to spreading chaos instead of order.

So the Founders conclude that they need to mold the universe in order to protect themselves from the solids ... but instead of imposing a single centralized order, they work more like B5's Shadows and keep everyone else at each others' throats, so that no one can arise that might be a real threat to them. The Jem'Hadar become mercenaries, apparently willing to fight for anyone for a paycheck, but also ensuring that no one can grow too large a power base. The Vorta serve as agitators, providers of advanced Dominion technology to destabilize societies, and similar functions. And the amount of chaos the Changelings can wreak beggars the imagination.
 

Cerulean Lion

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They made a bargain. It worked out that in order to keep their part of the bargain, they had to leave the homeworld. Which they did, because they are honorable and keep their promises.
Or they got pissy because they lost the cultural war over Vulcan's direction and flounced off in a huff. I mean, how could anyone expect them to live in a society where they can't brutally kill anyone they think has insulted them? The nerve!
They couldn't stand to live with the Machiavellian society their cousins were developing. They thought it would be dishonorable to slaughter them our of hand. The alternative was to go live somewhere else.
Seeing what the Vulcans built, the Romulans now think leaving was a mistake. Slaughtering the schemers would have been the honorable thing to do. Too later now: they're too powerful.
 
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