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[schlock Mercenary] So I just read Today's strip..

Jürgen Hubert

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Well, if the Toughs are out of funds, then Murtaugh could easily hire them. She still has that coupon book, after all...
 

Ulzgoroth

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So I have problems.

A) No, there is no way you have enough ships to find a fleet hiding in randomly chosen interstellar space by 'brute force' unless you're taking a creative meaning of 'brute force'. That's just not working.

B) Why do the old Oafans seem to have more resources than Chinook did?

C) Inspired by but not directly relating to the latest strip...why don't they solve the PTU crisis with gate-cloning? We know you can gate-clone spacecraft, which means annie plants.
 

DarkStarling

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So I have problems.

A) No, there is no way you have enough ships to find a fleet hiding in randomly chosen interstellar space by 'brute force' unless you're taking a creative meaning of 'brute force'. That's just not working.

B) Why do the old Oafans seem to have more resources than Chinook did?

C) Inspired by but not directly relating to the latest strip...why don't they solve the PTU crisis with gate-cloning? We know you can gate-clone spacecraft, which means annie plants.
The last one is the real question.

For the first, I assume all the powerful characters are usually lying about their capabilities when the people seeing their power aren’t in a position to check. See also: “We can watch there too.”

I’m not sure what you mean about the second, Chinook was always stupid powerful. Unless you mean regarding fleet size in which case see 1.
 

Bremen

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This isn't even the first time someone's brute forced finding someone in deep space. See also the storyline where they bought that defective Obenn fabricator.

In that case they didn't actually go everywhere, they built a bunch of miniature probes and had them teraport around, then checked the places where they got intercepted by TAD fields.
 
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Jürgen Hubert

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C) Inspired by but not directly relating to the latest strip...why don't they solve the PTU crisis with gate-cloning? We know you can gate-clone spacecraft, which means annie plants.
From what I remember, gate-cloning draws its power from stars. Furthermore, individual annie-plants only contain fairly small amounts of PTUs.

We do know that the Oafans sucked up stars for parts, so gate-cloning presumably would likewise consume a bunch of stars even if it could be rigged up for producing PTUs on that scale.
 

Ulzgoroth

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Furthermore, individual annie-plants only contain fairly small amounts of PTUs.
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(A) If you can clone an annie plant there's no reason to think you can't just clone ingots of PTU if you wanted for some reason, and...
(B) You can clone stupid-huge numbers of annie-plants at a time.
We do know that the Oafans sucked up stars for parts, so gate-cloning presumably would likewise consume a bunch of stars even if it could be rigged up for producing PTUs on that scale.
So? You're not going to get PTUs on that scale without sinking that kind of mass-energy in. And it's not like stars are a scarce or especially valuable fraction of available material.
 

Quornix

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So? You're not going to get PTUs on that scale without sinking that kind of mass-energy in. And it's not like stars are a scarce or especially valuable fraction of available material.
You need access to the stars, though, and that takes time. We don't know how many stars the gates are linked to right now. The ancient Oafans had plenty of opportunity to consume the stars needed. [EDIT] Oh yeah, teraport. That speeds up the process, doesn't it?[/EDIT]

(A) If you can clone an annie plant there's no reason to think you can't just clone ingots of PTU if you wanted for some reason, and...
And this is the real issue. Because, IIRC, there's no sign that PTUs are actually that massive. They just take immense energy to produce. So you should be able to clone them at a "reasonable" energy cost.
 
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Eled the Worm Tamer

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You know the Old Offans are starting to come off as, kind of petty to me.

They are only out of the great navel gazing server hidden in the sky can because of a chain of events in which the Toughs on the info they had took the most moral and the hardest choice at each turn.

They have the ships to brute force a search with armadas at a time.

Do they actually need to claw back every single one and send that kind of message to the stars? That they are so grasping entitled and uncompromising? Do they really think after spending cycles in hiding they get to pick up where they left off?

On the other hand they don't seem to care about friends and they don't seem to need allies but it just seems crushingly egotistical, and unfair especially the way everyone in any position to do so is just rolling over and siding with them, not just because of long guns, but because they seem to agree.
 

Njorhg

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The last book had a central storyline about the affective and cultural values of spaceships. It wouldn't be out of order for the Oafans to put similar value in their own ships. For all we know there might be undiscovered information about or in connection to the vessels that the Oafans are trying to control.

The interesting part is going to see how the Oafans are going to try to reclaim the hulls that the UNS undoubtedly chopped up for materials, possibly to make the new generation of battleplates.
 
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