🎨 Creative [Setting Crossover/Divergence Riff] I Left My Rift In Fed Francisco

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Oh, we haven't even met the locals yet. My bet's on whoever lives in the Pacific Ocean, because that's the first place the city will go for power...
Rifts Underseas from memory... Pacific factions include: the New Navy, high tech remnant of the late 21st century US based out of a floating city and a gigantic submersible aircraft carrier; the reclusive Lemurians, aquatic aliens; intelligent psychic cetaceans of all species; a race of psychic aliens who are culturally devoted to savage piracy and "dream" their ships into existence; the Republic of Japan, a fully operational pre-Rifts area, a recent arrival via prefecture-wide time travel; and the Lord of the Deep, an unambiguously evil Great Old One who can physically reach most parts of the Pacific with its unimaginably huge tentacles while remaining in the Marianas Trench.
 

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Oh, and a lot of the extradimensional arrivals on Earth are literally demonic in nature -- in that they are inherently cruel and feed on the torment of mortal species, especially and specifically (though not limited to) humans.

Federation ethicists are going to have problems, and that's before they find out that the entire multiversal cluster they've been translated into was created by a pantheon of horrifically evil gods so they could have life to torture. (Fortunately, the Old Ones were defeated and sealed away. For now.)
 

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Oh God, vampires. The Fed is going to have issues with vampires.

Rifts Vampires, for the uninitiated, are feeding conduits for yet another sort of Old One. They are tougher than the toughest cinematic vamps you've ever seen -- they are in fact conceptually indestructible by anything other than standard Hollywood weaknesses. Fortunately this includes a very broad definition of running water.
 

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The Orbital Communities would violently object to that, at least at first. Given time of course Fed Francisco could probably win any fight with them regarding the issue but being conflict averse, they most likely would prefer negotiate the matter. The question is, what would the Feds be willing to offer as an incentive to the Orbital Communities and would it be enough to overcome their paranoia about something horrible potentially escaping from the surface into orbit?
Basic supplies. Because of replicators the Federation has lots of them and because of the nature of living in orbit the Orbital Communities don't.

The Restorationist faction wants to correct the timeline. To the Federation, this is a reasonable position; they've done it before, through various types of time travel. To Rifts Earth, it means the complete destruction of history and entire populations. This would almost be cause for a rag-tag band of unlikely heroes to sneak into the city and sabotage their doomsday device, if the Federation wasn't so darn friendly and devoted to seeing things from the perspective of Rifts Earth too.
There's also the fact that the Federation is aware of parallel universes. Should Rifts Trek turn out to be this (likely), they'll probably change their position from "restoring the timeline" to getting back to their Earth until and unless it turns out they can't.
 

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As long as the Fed can put up a shield that will stop mundane attacks, the only real threat are monsters, ley line storms, and magicians. Psychics may be a threat or not depending on the psychic count in the city.

If survivors from Lazlo and Tolkeen can make it to the city, the magical defenses will probably go way up.

That just leaves storms and monsters.

And I expect the Fed to figure out how to kill monsters and do it without a real problem.
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As long as the Fed can put up a shield that will stop mundane attacks, the only real threat are monsters, ley line storms, and magicians. Psychics may be a threat or not depending on the psychic count in the city.

If survivors from Lazlo and Tolkeen can make it to the city, the magical defenses will probably go way up.

That just leaves storms and monsters.

And I expect the Fed to figure out how to kill monsters and do it without a real problem.
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Of course, the Federation experience with "monsters" is that they're often just folks trying to get along on a frequency far removed from wherever humans feel comfortable. Witness the Horta, introduced in an episode called "The Devil in the Dark" where something was killing miners... and today it's fanon (or canon if you count novels) that there are Horta running around in Starfleet doing science and stuff, because they figured out how to talk to them and resolved their differences.

Feds are gonna look at a monster situation and go, "Well, it would take us six seconds to reduce this area to a mildly radioactive crater half a kilometer across through... oh, a variety of means, really. Let's try talking to it instead!"

And that's how you start losing redshirts, because the Federation isn't well-equipped to deal with raw evil. Not on a philosophical level, at least.
 

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That's why I imagine they will lose people until they get some experts in to show them the ropes. The New Navy EvilMidnightLurker and I talked about are sea going monster hunting experts with friends in the local underwater tribes, and enemies in the demonic sea monsters that infest the Pacific. Once they start sharing information, the Fed is going to realize they have a problem as far as the locals are concerned in which most of the local extradimensional travelers are okay, but mixed in with that is going to be demonic monsters and species like the Xictix that are intolerant of other lifeforms.
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Oh, and a lot of the extradimensional arrivals on Earth are literally demonic in nature -- in that they are inherently cruel and feed on the torment of mortal species, especially and specifically (though not limited to) humans.
I could see the Empire of Mexico (the Vampire Kingdom where humans are just taxed by regular blood bank donations and otherwise mostly left to live normally) trying to fool Fed Francisco into thinking they're good guys.

"Oh no, we're the good vampires. We've turned away from the barbaric practices of our kin and live in harmony with humanity."

Granted, with all the psis in the Federation this ploy probably won't have any long term success.

Rifts Vampires, for the uninitiated, are feeding conduits for yet another sort of Old One. They are tougher than the toughest cinematic vamps you've ever seen -- they are in fact conceptually indestructible by anything other than standard Hollywood weaknesses. Fortunately this includes a very broad definition of running water.
I foresee a lot of squirt guns being replicated and distributed in intermediate future. :)

Basic supplies. Because of replicators the Federation has lots of them and because of the nature of living in orbit the Orbital Communities don't.
True. The question is would that carrot be enough to overcome the Orbital Communities' paranoia about terrible things escaping from the surface. My guess is probably but it's not an automatic win. It's going to take some serious negotiation efforts on the Fed's part. But they probably would succeed. Especially if they also provided a way to deal with the bug problem on Mars, enabling the Orbitals to reclaim the planet for humanity.

If the Feds do manage to establish a relationship with the Orbitals then the one third of the Arkhon Fleet that shows up late to the South American invasion due to Rifts-related reasons encounter much stronger opponents, resulting in either defeat or a negotiated cessation of hostilities. Feds being the nice guys that they are might even offer to fix their FTL drives so they can leave the system.

There's also the fact that the Federation is aware of parallel universes. Should Rifts Trek turn out to be this (likely), they'll probably change their position from "restoring the timeline" to getting back to their Earth until and unless it turns out they can't.
I think it would be reasonable to assume the Feds can't return anytime soon. Rifts Earth would probably be pretty distant from the Federation as far as extra-dimensional distances go. Plus the fact that the only reason they arrived is due to an alien artifact so advanced even their best minds can't understand it.

If survivors from Lazlo and Tolkeen can make it to the city, the magical defenses will probably go way up.
Remember that Fed Francisco arrives in PA 102, so the fall of Tolkeen hasn't happened yet and there's no reason for people from there to flee. Granted, once the two groups discover each other's existence they likely will try to establish relations of some sorts which could lead to the Feds getting magical consultants.

Of course, the Federation experience with "monsters" is that they're often just folks trying to get along on a frequency far removed from wherever humans feel comfortable. Witness the Horta, introduced in an episode called "The Devil in the Dark" where something was killing miners... and today it's fanon (or canon if you count novels) that there are Horta running around in Starfleet doing science and stuff, because they figured out how to talk to them and resolved their differences.

Feds are gonna look at a monster situation and go, "Well, it would take us six seconds to reduce this area to a mildly radioactive crater half a kilometer across through... oh, a variety of means, really. Let's try talking to it instead!"

And that's how you start losing redshirts, because the Federation isn't well-equipped to deal with raw evil. Not on a philosophical level, at least.
I think the biggest danger in the early days is someone with any sort of technical knowledge being turned into a vampire or otherwise transformed into a being that would be loyal to an Alien Intelligence. Unless he is then slain or otherwise neutralized quickly that could lead to Fed level technology in the wrong hands.
 

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True. The question is would that carrot be enough to overcome the Orbital Communities' paranoia about terrible things escaping from the surface. My guess is probably but it's not an automatic win. It's going to take some serious negotiation efforts on the Fed's part. But they probably would succeed. Especially if they also provided a way to deal with the bug problem on Mars, enabling the Orbitals to reclaim the planet for humanity.
No doubt. Even on the shows, the only times they had auto wins even with diplomacy it was when the diplomacy wasn't the point of the episode. And they'll no doubt work to deal with Mars. They're going to want to expand sooner or later and they're not the Imperialist conqueror types.

If the Feds do manage to establish a relationship with the Orbitals then the one third of the Arkhon Fleet that shows up late to the South American invasion due to Rifts-related reasons encounter much stronger opponents, resulting in either defeat or a negotiated cessation of hostilities. Feds being the nice guys that they are might even offer to fix their FTL drives so they can leave the system.
Seems in character.

I think it would be reasonable to assume the Feds can't return anytime soon. Rifts Earth would probably be pretty distant from the Federation as far as extra-dimensional distances go. Plus the fact that the only reason they arrived is due to an alien artifact so advanced even their best minds can't understand it.
Agreed. Unlike Voyager, this seems like a situation where it'd be more satisfying if they had to stay and eventually make Rifts Earth a decent place to live again.

Remember that Fed Francisco arrives in PA 102, so the fall of Tolkeen hasn't happened yet and there's no reason for people from there to flee. Granted, once the two groups discover each other's existence they likely will try to establish relations of some sorts which could lead to the Feds getting magical consultants.
For that matter, the Lyn Srial are closer and pretty close to sharing Federation ideals.

I think the biggest danger in the early days is someone with any sort of technical knowledge being turned into a vampire or otherwise transformed into a being that would be loyal to an Alien Intelligence. Unless he is then slain or otherwise neutralized quickly that could lead to Fed level technology in the wrong hands.
It's not so much a question of if their technology gets out as it is when. Besides those possibilities, as someone pointed out, there are going to have been agents of other governments in San Francisco, not all of whom are super concerned about not interfering. At least one will see some advantage to getting the technology out there.
 
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