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[setting riff] The Four Children of Eden


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The Eden story of Genesis is not entirely wrong, but more accurate in essence than in details. Yahweh made and sent forth four couples from his Garden.

Humans, you know: they ate the Fruit of Knowledge of Good and Evil, but not of the Tree of Life. They know what is right, but in their struggles to live, often find it hard to hear their conscience.

The alfar or elves were given of both trees. In their immortality they find wisdom easier to acquire and follow.

The faeries ate only of the Tree of Life. They are immortal, with a childlike innocence that can be hard to distinguish from malice.

The beastmen, or orcs, were driven forth before enjoying either tree. Their lives are as hard or harder than that of humans, unaided or unencumbered by innate knowledge.


Proud Fianna knight of hope and peace
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It's just a really unique idea because I th means orcs are holy. They are exactly as God intended them to be. Which now raises the question "why does God need an Orc?"


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The beastmen, or orcs, were driven forth before enjoying either tree. Their lives are as hard or harder than that of humans, unaided or unencumbered by innate knowledge.
"why does God need an Orc?"
Actually you beastmen are not orcs. They are animals, well the descendents of animals. These animals ate of the fruits that fell from the tree or were on the tree. (Or ate the somewhat helpless animals who ate the fruits and ingested them and some undigested fruit at the same time.) Some are smart animals, others are more people like (because they ate the fruits meant for People (Humanity or Elves)), a few look like Humans/ Elves with tiny animal traits.

Thus they are no longer mere beasts, but they are not blessed as Humans. They didn't break the commandments of the Holy, but they are not "part of the divine plan". This in between status gives them a lot of leeway on their behavior... and causes many of them many issues. (They are also immune to all holy magics because of this... so no detect evil or monsters picks them up... they can not be healed nor harmed by it either).

A few live in The Communities of God's Children and are accepted, others live in the wilds (or in their own "towns").
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I certainly think that having orcs/beastmen not eat of either tree is certainly different. Like Sabermane pointed out, It implies they have the greatest claim to holiness by way of never breaking their commandments. Perhaps they willingly left the garden to help their wayward siblings, only to suffer at their hands. Of course, if they don't suffer from any of the divine curses of humanity, then their lives are probably not as bad as you might think. The branches of trees weigh down heavily with fruit when they hunger, and they find springs that bubble forth with sweet fresh water when they thirst. The world is kind to them, and the plants and animals of it act to their benefit.

Elves broke the commandments of god twice, so I would expect them to have twice as many problems. Faeries are immortal, and so I wonder how they would be cursed, since most of the divine curses of humanity involve it being difficult to live. Maybe theirs reflect a difficulty to learn and grow as people? They face moral, rather than physical, difficulties.

Of course, this all depends on how far you want to take this.

Ars Magica has a sourcebook that discusses the garden of Eden and asks about other trees that might exist- a tree of Truth and a tree of Falsehood, for example. That's something interesting to think about.
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