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[Star Wars] Episode IX News [The Rise of Skywalker]

Coyote's Own

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We heard Palpatine's cackle so apparently there's some involvement from a legit Sith. What it has to do with this trooper is anyone's guess.
Are there any legit Sith left?
What happens to rule of two when both the Apprentice and the Master die?
 

Per Andersson

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Yeah but wasn't Kylo all "let the past traditions die"?
Choosing to name them Sith woudl seem to go against it.
Kylo is an alt-right edgelord force-bro.
I do not expect consistency from that corner.

Maybe he saw a cool Sith meme on his Forcebook feed or something?
 

4th of Eleven

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Are there any legit Sith left?
What happens to rule of two when both the Apprentice and the Master die?
We don't actually know that Palpatine was part of an unbroken chain going back millennia; it's entirely possible the Jedi had succesfully wiped out the Sith multiple times, only for other villains to revive the Sith name. Hell, Palpatine doesn't seem too attached to the Sith traditions - 'Darth Sidious' is a useful boogeyman to keep the Jedi distracted and the Trade Federation scared, but he's quite happy to drop all the Sith iconography once he actually achieves his goals. And since most of what we know about the Sith comes from Palpatine, maybe he just grabbed a scary historical name and made all the traditions up to serve his purposes...
 

Coyote's Own

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We don't actually know that Palpatine was part of an unbroken chain going back millennia; it's entirely possible the Jedi had succesfully wiped out the Sith multiple times, only for other villains to revive the Sith name. Hell, Palpatine doesn't seem too attached to the Sith traditions - 'Darth Sidious' is a useful boogeyman to keep the Jedi distracted and the Trade Federation scared, but he's quite happy to drop all the Sith iconography once he actually achieves his goals. And since most of what we know about the Sith comes from Palpatine, maybe he just grabbed a scary historical name and made all the traditions up to serve his purposes...
Some bits of what we know for the EU have been confirmed in Prequels and Clone Wars which are canon.
Like we know that the Rule of Two is thiung since Yoda say that there are always two Sith in PM, and Clone Wars he meets an Force illusion of Darth Bane whom Yoda identifies as the establisher of the Rule Two.
 

moondog548

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Some bits of what we know for the EU have been confirmed in Prequels and Clone Wars which are canon.
Like we know that the Rule of Two is thiung since Yoda say that there are always two Sith in PM, and Clone Wars he meets an Force illusion of Darth Bane whom Yoda identifies as the establisher of the Rule Two.
It still feels entirely plausible for Team Evil to break a rule even if they made it up. ;-}
 

redwulf25_ci

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It still feels entirely plausible for Team Evil to break a rule even if they made it up. ;-}
It's more of a guideline really. And I've often pointed out that all it takes is one master or apprentice who's not as dead as the other thought to have two active pairs at once without the rule being intentionally broken. And all it takes is one holocron or other means of transmitting knowledge without a living master in the hands of the wrong force sensitive for the tradition to start back up again.
 

Grumpygoat

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Seems like a silly rule, and more just the natural tendency for an aggressive, murderous mentor tutoring an aggressive, murderous student to eventually end up at each other's throats. Without a school and institutional pressure, why the hell would the next guy feel any incentive to listen to the yammerings of some dead guy? So less a rule, more the natural outcome between a couple of rat bastards.
 

Qwa'ha Xahn

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Seems like a silly rule, and more just the natural tendency for an aggressive, murderous mentor tutoring an aggressive, murderous student to eventually end up at each other's throats. Without a school and institutional pressure, why the hell would the next guy feel any incentive to listen to the yammerings of some dead guy? So less a rule, more the natural outcome between a couple of rat bastards.
IIRC, it’s an attempt to utilize the Sith’s natural competitive and cutthroat nature. Before, there were vast orders and armies of Sith, but every time they fell to civil war and backdoor betrayals. So Bane built those things into the system by trying to keep the numbers to the minimum necessary: one to be the brains, the other to be the brawn, until the brawn got smart enough to outsmart the brains. In practice it gets messy, as all things do, but the core is a “logical” step (for a megalomaniac driven by revenge and fueled by evil).
 

Grumpygoat

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IIRC, it’s an attempt to utilize the Sith’s natural competitive and cutthroat nature. Before, there were vast orders and armies of Sith, but every time they fell to civil war and backdoor betrayals. So Bane built those things into the system by trying to keep the numbers to the minimum necessary: one to be the brains, the other to be the brawn, until the brawn got smart enough to outsmart the brains. In practice it gets messy, as all things do, but the core is a “logical” step (for a megalomaniac driven by revenge and fueled by evil).
Except if it's just two guys, and only one of them is the teacher, there's zero incentive to actually pay attention to the "rule." The new teacher gets to do whatever the hell they want. No one's going to punish them for it. And no teacher's going to take on an apprentice with the knowledge or hope of their student one day killing them (or having to kill their student, a valuable asset that they've put a lot of time and effort into making a worthwhile apprentice). It's not a "logical" step, it just looks like what would naturally happen, but there's zero ability to enforce it, and anyone can just decide to take on thirty apprentices, or let their apprentice go off to be their own master with their own apprentice. It just doesn't happen often because of the natural tendency for selfish people who openly channels aggressive mumbo-jumbo to shank each other. It's not like a student-master combo somehow enables easier access to the Dark Side, which would be the one passed-down teaching that actually would move from one student to the next by virtue of having a palpable effect and benefit.
 
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