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[V:tM] Vampire intrigue and politics: things to *do* against your enemies

LordofArcana

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As part of two or maybe three, if they promise to do something, make sure it can't happen. This works even better if you were the one that asked them to do it in the first place as part of a favor they owe you.
 

Ghola

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The Prince's Primer has some tips.

Another thing you can do is make a vampire pay off a debt to you in small humilating ways. The 1st Nosferatu clanbook talks about how one abused a Toreador who owed him a Life Boon. Among other things he made the Toreador clean his haven (!) and wear the Nosferatu's clothes to social gatherings.
 

nos4artu

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Although it’s for Requiem, Damnation City has some excellent setting and mechanical advice for political games. One of the modes (Primacy?) has concrete ways to run city-wide games of influence amongst the Primogen of a domain. A lot of it comes down to tapping mortals and locations to gain and hold influence, which can be used to leverage the Prince. It’s a way of scoring points against other movers and shakers and subtly using your clout to influence city politics, implement solutions to problems and accrue power over mortal institutions.
 

nos4artu

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The 1st Nosferatu clanbook talks about how one abused a Toreador who owed him a Life Boon. Among other things he made the Toreador clean his haven (!) and wear the Nosferatu's clothes to social gatherings.
That’s a Nosferatu who is not long for the world! If you get a life boon you definitely play it smart. That’s a lot of leverage to be wasting making mortal enemies out of another vampire and their sire/coterie and allies...
 

Cerulean Lion

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The 1st Nosferatu clanbook talks about how one abused a Toreador who owed him a Life Boon. Among other things he made the Toreador clean his haven (!) and wear the Nosferatu's clothes to social gatherings.
What Nos4artu said. What a stupid, suicidal waste of resources.
 

chromeharlequin

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To pull a play from the tech-giants playbook - give away for free what your rivals rely on for their business model - e.g. google docs vs microsoft word.
To translate to vampires - can you give other vampires protection, guidance, support, a haven, fix masquerade breaches for them, etc that they are currently having to work for, beg for, or incur debts with other vampires to get.
 

MemoryBeast

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Did we really get this far in the thread without anybody mentioning, you know, blood?

Vampires do everything they do, first and foremost, to secure a reliable way of getting their nightly blood fix without having to put themselves in danger or risk breaking the Masquerade. Before a vampire can worry about amassing wealth or manipulating governments or spinning far-reaching webs of hidden influence, they have to figure out "where's my next meal coming from?" And when they do start to build up all that other stuff, a big part of the reason they do it is to make sure that they have the power to keep anyone from screwing with his ability to feed. All that other stuff - mortal pawns, corporate and government influence, wealth, all of that - is ultimately just Monopoly money to a vampire. To hit a vampire where he lives, you go after his blood supply.

Where does your rival feed? Does he maintain a herd, or does he hunt? Either way, he's almost certainly a creature of habit - vampires don't want to have to spend all their nights just figuring out how to get their blood, so they establish routines, fall into patterns, get comfortable being able to get their blood a certain way whenever they need it. What if you screw with that? If he's got an actual, organized herd, go after them - kill them off, get them arrested, hook them on drugs that make feeding from them dangerous - or lure them away with a lucrative job in a different city. Does he have a particular hunting ground? Make it less safe or reliable. Increase the police presence in a neighborhood, or encourage the development of a neighborhood watch, or get CCTV cameras set up - make it harder to feed unnoticed. He's used to feeding on the homeless population? Encourage the creation of more homeless shelters and other social services to help get people off the street. He's used to feeding at campus frat parties? Encourage a campus-wide movement to crack down on the kind of boozy parties and casually misogynistic culture that make those parties such an easy place for vampires to feed - it's a lot harder to get some coed alone to feed on her if there's a campus-wide sexual assault awareness movement.

(The added bonus, as we see from some of those examples, is that attacking rivals in this way can be a good way to actually maintain one's Humanity. There are a lot of crappy things in the world, like poverty and homelessness and rape culture, that make it a lot easier for vampires to feed, which is part of why vampires often go out of their way to encourage those things. But in fighting those things in very specific ways, you can make a rival's life miserable while actually making a positive difference for mortals. Sure, you're doing it for mean and selfish reasons, but it's still a net positive.)
 

pedant

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One I remember, and really liked from The Gilded Cage, was a very simple:
  • Kill a rival's minor servant/ghoul/pawn in as anonymous a way as possible. Sit back and watch who does what to whom in response, like a spider flicking a web filament.
I loved it. It was just so cold and calculating - the hapless pawn isn't even being killed for their own sake, or because they are valuable to their master. It really brought home what a low-humanity, high self-control vampire looks like. They aren't out there bathing in the blood of the slain, they are quietly wondering if it is worth snuffing somone's life out just to see what happens.
 

Psalmanazar

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One category I can think of is disrupting each others' power bases, i.e., doing things to destabilize and destroy the places where your enemies have their power. Discredit the politicians they have in their pocket. Create bad or embarrassing PR for the company they control. Flood the streets with drug product they don't control to weaken their underworld contacts. These kinds of things can range from the subtle to the overt (burn down the club they use as the locus of their social activity). What other ideas here?
Better yet, poach their power bases. If it's good to deny resources to the enemy, then it's even better to claim those resources for yourself. Your rival has the mayor in their pocket? Offer her a bigger bribe and hint that you know where the bodies are buried. The biker gang that they've been using as enforcers? Well, their ghouled leader just lost a fight with an eighteen-wheeler, and someone's gotten them all hooked on this dangerous new stuff that, wouldn't you know it, one of your minions just happens to to be selling.
 
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