[Vampire: The Masquerade] 5th Edition

Michael K

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Re: Vampire, 5th Edition

I found the text by looking through my copy of 'The Art of vampire the Masquerade' and comparing it with my copy of V5.

The text in question is an excerpt of 2-3 paragraphs taken from the multi-page Tarot text collage at the beginning of the art book. It briefly describes a conversation between human and a vampire, talking about similarities and differences between their states of being.

The Gaiman vignette ends when the vampire admits she feels sad for her loss of human capacities.

In the V5 version another two sentences are added. One in which she haughtily denies that vampires can cry and the next one in which the human's internal monologue confirms that he can clearly tell that she is lying.
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Arethusa

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Re: Vampire, 5th Edition

I found the text by looking through my copy of 'The Art of vampire the Masquerade' and comparing it with my copy of V5.

The text in question is an excerpt of 2-3 paragraphs taken from the multi-page Tarot text collage at the beginning of the art book. It briefly describes a conversation between human and a vampire, talking about similarities and differences between their states of being.

The Gaiman vignette ends when the vampire admits she feels sad for her loss of human capacities.

In the V5 version another two sentences are added. One in which she haughtily denies that vampires can cry and the next one in which the human's internal monologue confirms that he can clearly tell that she is lying.
Wait.

I have a collection of Gaiman’s short fiction, and I think that is in it.

As I recall it it ends as you describe.

Is it possible they are using the revised version and they did not change it, Gaiman did?
 

Arethusa

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Wait.

I have a collection of Gaiman’s short fiction, and I think that is in it.

As I recall it it ends as you describe.

Is it possible they are using the revised version and they did not change it, Gaiman did?
Neil Gaiman, Fragile Things, William Morrow Publishers 2006, page 216-217, the last part of “Fifteen Painted Cards from a Vampire Tarot”, which I did not realize was from or for this game.

“22. The World”:

“You know the saddest thing, she said. “The saddest thing is that we’re you.”

I said nothing.

“In your fantasies,” she said, “my people are just like you. Only better. We don’t die or age or suffer from pain or cold or thirst. We’re snappier dressers. We possess the wisdom of the ages. And if we crave blood, well, it is no more than the way you people crave food or affection or sunlight — and besides, it gets us out of the house. Crypt. Coffin. Whatever.”

“And the truth is?” I asked her.

“We’re you,” she said. “We’re you, with all your fuckups and all the things that make you human — all your fears and loneliness and confusions ... none of that gets better.

“But we’re colder than you are. Deader. I miss daylight and food and knowing how it feels to touch someone and care. I remember life, and meeting people as people and not just as things to feed on or control, and I remember what it was to feel something, anything, happy or sad or anything...” And then she stopped.

“Are you crying?” I asked.

“We don’t cry,” she told me. Like I said, the woman was a liar.
 
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Kaan Emirler

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Going through the PDF. I'm glad the metamythology is back. I like the Coterie creation. Character creation is good at curbing min maxing, which is a plus in my book. Not sure about the disciplines, need to see them in play. Mechanics I will have to see in play. Still have my suspicions about some of the mechanics being unnecessary, but will not pass judgement until I play them out.
 
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Uthred

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Neil Gaiman, Fragile Things, William Morrow Publishers 2006, page 216-217, the last part of “Fifteen Painted Cards from a Vampire Tarot”, which I did not realize was from or for this game.

“22. The World”:
So it looks like they didnt change the ending then? The amount of misinformation being pumped out about this game is impressive. But in some ways you cant help but feel they sort of invited it.
 

Pheidias

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I'd like to add that a look at the front matter reveals that there is an additional text credit explicitly naming Neil Gaiman on the page that lists all the authors, both in the PDF and the print version.

So, according to @Arethusa's research, Gaiman's original text wasn't changed and looking at the book that was sent to the printers three months ago he has always been given full credit.
 
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PST

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Whether they had the right to the version from Fragile things, or the one from the Art of the Masquerade is another matter, however, as is whether the original contract gave them the right to re-use it at all, as certainly it's listed as his copyright on his website.

And of course that he knew nothing about it.
 

Pheidias

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Since this is all reportedly based on a Twitter conversation I read through all of Gaiman's massive twitter output of the last two weeks and the same for White Wolf. I also looked at Gaiman's blog entries. I haven't been able to find anything related to V5 but perhaps my skills at using the medium correctly are failing me, since I only rarely use the platform.

I'm by no means saying it didn't happen, I'd just like to read it for myself and I seem to be stuck on how to find it. Might someone be so kind as to create a link to the exchange that was brought up earlier? Thank you very much in advance.
 

Snumpus

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Since this is all reportedly based on a Twitter conversation I read through all of Gaiman's massive twitter output of the last two weeks and the same for White Wolf. I also looked at Gaiman's blog entries. I haven't been able to find anything related to V5 but perhaps my skills at using the medium correctly are failing me, since I only rarely use the platform.

I'm by no means saying it didn't happen, I'd just like to read it for myself and I seem to be stuck on how to find it. Might someone be so kind as to create a link to the exchange that was brought up earlier? Thank you very much in advance.
I don't know if this is the exchange the prior poster was referring to, but here's one where Gaiman says he's 'investigating' the V5 usage:

https://twitter.com/neilhimself/status/1025690363502178304
 

Pheidias

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