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[VtM] Does the Giovanni clan have the dumbest name? Do you use the Giovanni as is or change their name?

Teylen

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From my understanding the history of the Romani people reaches back to the 12th and 14th century (Wiki). Thus they could have been around, though what WW imagined about the Roma was still far from reality. I would assume as well that someone could create a clan based on the Romani people, if done with a lot of research, consulting some and maybe find a writer among them willing to (co-?)create ^^;

I still consider Giovanni a fine clan name.
Maybe they did something in their history to not have it raise to much prominence as a surname. *shrug*
(I wouldn't burst out in laughter if someone named their char Jay John or Jay Johnson either)
 

D351

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I'd say that the premise of "clans" in the sense that V:tM uses it is far more hokey than the name "Giovanni".
 

Eric the .5b

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I'd say that the premise of "clans" in the sense that V:tM uses it is far more hokey than the name "Giovanni".
I dunno. All vampires being similar is an approach (and many people prefer it), but writers often try to work in differences, even in that kind of setting. And if whether you you're like Dracula, Lestat, or Count Orlok depends on who made you a vampire, that probably becomes a social structure.
 

Moritz

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I just remembered a topical picture I took during my honeymoon, 6 years ago (!). This is in Taormina, Sicily.

Giovanni.jpg
 

JetstreamGW

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Its the Italian cognate or equivalent of the name John, and was most commonly a first name in the 15th century. It's like those comic book characters that have two first names, it sounds weird and fake. And yeah I'm not a huge fan of the Lasombra, Toreador, Ventrue, or the Nosferatu clan names. But naming your clan John seems especially dumb to me. Brujah = witches is sort of cool, YMMV.

And thanks Elph, the only people I was aware of that had Giovanni was a surname were porn stars who I assumed used Giovanni as a pseudonym. I just checked wikipedia and I see a WWE diva, a poet, an anarchist, and an erotic model given as examples of folks with the Giovanni surname. I also found this, https://www.houseofnames.com/giovanni-family-crest

Many times I saw players in old wod attempt to call their Giovanni characters Giovanni as a joke, i.e. Giovanni Giovanni, the ultimate Giovanni, i.e. John John.

EDIT I see the thread has past me by. Wow. Puttanesca. Lol.
I, uh, I have THREE first names. As a real life person who exists and has no super powers.

Just sayin’.
 

Black Flag

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I'd say that the premise of "clans" in the sense that V:tM uses it is far more hokey than the name "Giovanni".
The idea that the vampire race would evolve into several different subspecies? Or the idea that those who share the same lineage and hereditary traits would maintain some degree of social cohesion and even global organization in the modern day?
 

Dagor

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The idea that the vampire race would evolve into several different subspecies? Or the idea that those who share the same lineage and hereditary traits would maintain some degree of social cohesion and even global organization in the modern day?
The idea that there'd always be these specific groups established once in the Elder Days and then surviving without significant further change all the way to the present, perhaps. It's a bit hard to call a single diversification event followed by the traits of each subvariant then spontaneously deciding to become essentially frozen for the rest of time "evolution", for example -- and as to what sorts of shenanigans people belonging to "special bloodlines" can get up to, I only need to point you at the history of human European nobility through the centuries. :geek:
 

FrivYeti

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The idea that there'd always be these specific groups established once in the Elder Days and then surviving without significant further change all the way to the present, perhaps. It's a bit hard to call a single diversification event followed by the traits of each subvariant then spontaneously deciding to become essentially frozen for the rest of time "evolution", for example -- and as to what sorts of shenanigans people belonging to "special bloodlines" can get up to, I only need to point you at the history of human European nobility through the centuries. :geek:
To be fair, if you're following Masquerade rules, most of the original leaders of those groups are still around, and the nature of power makes them real hard to unseat. Methuselahs continuing to direct their Clans even though young members would honestly rather fracture off into their own groups is a big part of the setting.
 

Black Flag

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I don’t think the idea that the clans have exists in static form for millennia is supported in the game fiction. They’ve all reinvented themselves many times over and continue to do so, and none of them are monolithic, each having developed mutually antagonistic subdivisions.

On the other hand, a lot of the way clans work in Masquerade does seem to rely on the notion that vampires of the clans all share some portion of their founder within themselves as part of the blood, which causes them to share some traits in common with the founder, beyond just disciplines and supernatural weaknesses. So being embraced into one does sort of warp your personality a bit towards something other than what it was when you were alive.
 
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