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[Warhammer - ] I think I'm officially done.

Bane Sidhe

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This is kind of a rant, and I apologize for that in advance.

I've been playing a loooot of Vermintide recently. Vermintide is awesome.

However, it got me thinking and it's kind of bittersweet. They got the atmosphere and the setting detail spot-on...Which just serves to remind me of how GW nuked the entire Warhammer setting in favor of this asinine "Age of Sigmar" shit, because they thought their longest-running property wasn't making them enough money...

So...Don't actually try to do market research or work with what you have or anything. Just nuke the entire thing and replace it with 40k-lite, because everybody knows the kids will buy more fucking Space Marines...

I mean, the first time I picked up a Warhammer rulebook (way back in the dark ages) I probably stayed up reading the thing until the wee hours of the morning. It was the background, you see. The fluff. It was like a history text, so much detail and richness, and little asides to bits of the setting that weren't further elaborated on at the time. It felt alive, and in a rather ironic twist for a fantasy setting that shamelessly stole from nearly everything, it felt UNIQUE. Nothing else really captured that gritty Warhammer feel...

And now it's gone. This new stuff? It's lifeless. Some stuff from the old background is namedropped, but...It's the worst kind of generic fantasy tripe. All the things that made me fall in love with the setting in the first place just AREN'T THERE ANYMORE.

Yes, yes, I know the old canard that "nobody's going to come and steal your OLD books and models! You can still play it!" True. I can still play it. I can still play an unsupported game with a playerbase that's now destined to dwindle into nothing. I can continue reading the same books with no new content, because it's never going to be written.

All because GW decided kids would like Fantasy Space Marines more than what they already had.

Idiots.
 

CrazyIvan

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I will say, that while I've defended some of the game-play decisions around AoS, and understand why they did what they did, rebooting the entire setting...hasn't impressed me. Between games like Vermintide, Mordheim and Warhammer Total War coming out, they've given up a lot of synergy with their existing setting in exchange for something that's pretty...meh. I was hoping it would start to flesh out quickly and develop some character, but right now it's just...not.

I'm not going to call it a failure, and there's parts I like (like realizing my wife's modest collection of Dwarves are now perfectly playable), but it's not exactly catching me.
 
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Kargush

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Yeah. Dropping WHFB was a daft move, in my opinion.

It's getting to the point where yours truly is almost ready to give up on 40k, and I have (had?) such a boner for that game I'd defend it like a fanatic against all critics. It's just that it's gotten more and more silly, and more and more huge, and expensive, kits. It's like the End Times of Fantasy, only not quite so blatant. I just can't muster the enthusiasm anymore. The joy is slowly draining out, like blood from a wound.
 

EthanSRDM

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My bitterness about the death of the Old World is strong enough to form its own gravitational pull.

I mean, there's been a whole lot that Games Workshop has done over the years that was already pushing me this way. The jettisoning of the various specialist games was a big one. The prices were another, since it always seemed like it cost more and more to get an army fielded. The way that they'd never seem in the mood to flesh out Cathy, Ind and Nippon. And their insanely litigious nature just pushed me into hating the people in charge.

But this was the last straw.

I call the new setting a power metal song made manifest. Any of the bits of the art would be perfect, painted on the side of a van. It lacks any kind of verisimilitude and I got no idea what the hell is even in half of these "realms". I don't care about them, I don't care about 40K anymore and I'm really at the point where I just wish Games Workshop would die. That the company would collapse, go away and its IP could wind up in a company that actually cares about the settings.

Basically, #FuckGamesWorkshop.
 

Aesthete

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Yeah, I'm done with WFB. I've been on the train since the mid 80s and I got of with the new Sigmar game. I understand the reasoning behind it and I'm not angry about it, but the magic is gone. Kings of War and Oldhammer and Dragon Rampant and Saga for me, I reckon.
 

Darting Flea

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While I think it is fair to say new settings often need time to develop. AoS strikes me as both a bad decision and a wasted opportunity.

At this stage Im mostly resigned to getting my GW fixes from videogames.
 

Scurrilous

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Well, bring your miniatures out of retirement and play Kings of War. The bigger it gets, the more likely GW is to pull a New Coke / Classic Coke reversal to try and regain that market share.

It may be that Age of Sigmar acts as a gap that allows them to return Warhammer to its roots and jettison the ridiculous complexity it accrued over the years.
 

Sabermane

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While I think it is fair to say new settings often need time to develop. AoS strikes me as both a bad decision and a wasted opportunity.
I'm still trying to figure out why they didn't think they could put dudes in giant armors in WFBverse. Like...what?? "Boom--church blessed some dudes and now yo I got Space Marines in your fantasy."

But...whatever. As usual, it's not that I'm angry, I'm just disappointed.
 

CrazyIvan

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I'm still trying to figure out why they didn't think they could put dudes in giant armors in WFBverse. Like...what?? "Boom--church blessed some dudes and now yo I got Space Marines in your fantasy."

But...whatever. As usual, it's not that I'm angry, I'm just disappointed.
Heck, you could even do a skirmish/freeform based reboot of WHFB with Sigmar returning to a broken and scattered Old World without utterly tossing decades of fluff.
 
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