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(Where I Read) Oathbringer

Nihtgenga

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Huh. No mention of altitude sickness? Especially when teleporting instantly in from a sea level location?
 

jimthegray

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With most writers i would just assume that they did not think th altitude through . But sanderson is very detail oriented. I have to think that this stuff is intentional to at least the world building
 

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That is very curious that Dalinar can't see the land under Urithiru, even when the clouds are out of the way. Very, very curious.
Roshar has a lower gravity than Earth and a higher oxygen ratio in the atmosphere; I could see how this might translate to atmospheric occlusion on a high enough mountain becoming high enough that the ground would simply become lost in the atmosphere.

Huh. No mention of altitude sickness? Especially when teleporting instantly in from a sea level location?
I seem to recall there being a mention at some point of even some characters noting that this is conspicuous, or finding that after leaving the city, they begin to feel the air thinning, something along those lines. But yeah, I'm pretty sure there was something in the book about this, so assuming I'm right, it wasn't just an oversight.
 

Aegis98

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I seem to recall there being a mention at some point of even some characters noting that this is conspicuous, or finding that after leaving the city, they begin to feel the air thinning, something along those lines. But yeah, I'm pretty sure there was something in the book about this, so assuming I'm right, it wasn't just an oversight.
There was mention of that earlier in the book. Can't pin it down, but I'm pretty sure I mentioned it somewhere in the thread.

Chapter 59: Bondsmith

Fen shows Dalinar the temple of Shalash, which he sees as just like all the others she'd shown him. He wonders if anyone is receiving the prayers being burned in the temples, or are they just lost now that Honor is dead? Fen gives a history lesson about the temple and Dalinar notes that several statues have had their faces broken off and he wonders how the storm did that. They return to their palanquins and Navani tells Dalinar to stop scowling so much. He'd much rather be going to see Thaylen's shards rather then temples. Navani explains that the tour of the ten temples is tradition and a display of piety; Dalinar asks if he can tell Fen he's a heretic so she doesn't have to put on airs for him. Navani says they could have sent a diplomat, but Dalinar insists he has to be the one doing this. Dalinar takes another look at the city and finds the level of destruction unique and wonders why. The Everstorm varies even within the same passing according to the reports. Navani suggests that this tour is as much for Fen as for him, a reminder of how the city used to be. That helps Dalinar to deal with it. They reach the temple of Battah, one of the oldest in the city, and she gestures to a grand statue that is now nothing but feet. Dalinar asks what temple is older, Ishi Fen says, but they won't spend much time there or here for that matter; these places are housing the wounded since the hospitals are filled up. Navani asks if some can't be sent home, but Dalinar can see that many are either waiting to die or have lost their homes. Dalinar turns and almost runs into Taravangian. Taravangian openly weeps and pleads with Fen to let him bring his surgeons in from Vedenar. She concedes and Dalinar thinks that Taravangian's a real gem. Fen gives the orders, and Taravangian tells Dalinar that he can see his home of Kharbranth destroyed in war looking like this and he asks himself what must he do to preserve them. Dalinar vows they'll protect them, and Taravangian says he will stay and await the surgeons. Fen comes up to Dalinar and she tells him that she's often said that Tarvangian is more than people say he became after his accident. That said, she doesn't agree with him acting like the city is a burial ground, they'll rebuild and put up new walls, though that will be harder with the loss in labor. Dalinar offers his soldiers as labor; Fen doesn't respond, but some soldiers mutter and Dalinar picks one out as Fen's son. The Thaylen monarchy is not hereditary so he's just an officer. He's still important though. He sets that aside and asks Fen about going to see the grand bazaar that he's heard so much about. Navani winces and Fen is stiff. It was by the docks wasn't it? He'd assumed it was in the ancient ward, he should have paid more attention to the maps. Fen said she's arranged for refreshments at the courtyard of Talenelat and offers to just go there directly. Dalinar returns to his palanquin with Navani; he says that the Thaylen monarch is chosen by the council of merchants and naval officers, meaning that she can't act on her own and as long as those members think he's trying to take over she can't let his soldiers into the city to help. As it so happens, Dalinar has an idea for how to solve that problem. Navani asks if it involves punching people. He nods and says they want a spectacle, they want to see the Blackthorn in action, its like how Fen didn't open up until he showed his real face. She says that face doesn't have to be a killer, but he says he won't kill anyone, this is just going to be a lesson, a display.

Those words ring in Dalinar's, something to do with Sadeas and the Rift but he can't remember what. The memory slips away in the direction of pain. Navani says maybe Dalinar is right and maybe he should be scowling more. Or maybe grin, that's actually more disturbing on him. They arrive at the courtyard of Talenelat and the temple here has been completely blasted apart by the Everstorm's lightning and the entrance has been caved in. Like Odium really hated this temple. And this is Talenelat's temple, the one who'd been abandoned, the one he'd lost. Fen will be busy but she's got the refreshments out for them so they can wait half an hour for her to get back to them. Dalinar understands what she's really doing here, making a show that she's still the one in charge. So Dalinar goes to pick a fight with Fen's son. Navani helps set up the opening for him and he and Fen's son start butting heads immediately with the exchange "I'm not your enemy, son," "I'm not your son, tyrant". Things escalate and they start up a duel; longswords, no shards. Navani says not to hurt him but also don't lose; Dalinar promises the former but not the latter. Then Dalinar tells Fen's son that they're doing this by alternating advantage, he gets to use the sword for three minutes, then Dalinar gets to use it for the next three minutes. Fen's son sees the writing on the wall and offers to switch to a knife. Dalinar declines. Fen's son puffs himself up and says he'll accept as long as Dalinar's men say they'll accept the results if he loses. They fight, Dalinar uses small amounts of stormlight to avoid getting hit, and just as they reach the end of the three minute mark Fen's son goes for a desperate attack and Dalinar steps right into it. Dalinar makes sure it doesn't get him in the spine and pulls the sword further in, dragging Fen's son along. Dalinar glows with enough stormlight to be visible even in the day, and then he pulls the sword out and the wound heals right after. Fen's son says its Dalinar's turn now, but Dalinar says he got first blood so the duel's over. Fen's son points out that he let him, so Dalinar asks for his shirt to call it even. Dalinar explains how if he wanted to conquer the city he just would and he wouldn't bother about pretending to be peaceful. The people are awed and afraid of Dalinar, and now he feels displeasure.

Dalinar climbs up to the temple and sits down alone. The stormfather rumbles in the back of his mind and beyond that is the sound of disappointment. He'd told them he hadn't come to conquer, and yet he showed off how easy it would have been for him; was this what it was like to have a Knight Radiant show up in your city? Dalinar recognizes he's been doing this for a long time, from when he recruited Teleb to when he bullied Elhokar around. As he watches everyone gather around Fen's son, Dalinar hears the voice telling him to unite them. He wonders why he can't do it peacefully, and then he hears another voice, asking him to unite them. Its hundreds of voices actually, and he realizes its the stone, the spren of the temple itself. The stones still see themselves as one piece and they cry out like men with broken bodies on a battlefield. Dalinar wonders why his imagination always has to go in that direction. The warmth inside him says it doesn't have to. Overflowing with stormlight, Dalinar picks the huge stone block up, his joints breaking and healing as he gets it into position. The temple urges him on and he draws all the stormlight he has and puts it back together where it belongs. Gloryspren burst around Dalinar's head and Dalinar looks upon the temple feeling twenty years younger. Except the Dalinar of twenty years ago could never have done this. Bondsmith. Navani asks what he did. He says he listened, his power is for more than breaking and they've ignored what was right in front of their eyes. Dalinar goes to a scribe and tells them to summon his son Renarin.

Queen Fen arrives in the courtyard of the temples of Battah, the one with the big broken statue. Her son leads a crew of ten pulling the pieces of the statue into place so Dalinar can seal them back together. She approaches Dalinar, she did not expect the blackthorn shirtless and working as a sculptor. Dalinar says he can only fix inanimate objects, his son is doing far more important work. A family emerges, now healed, and Dalinar explains what a fool he was for not realizing to bring in Renarin right away; they both have trouble healing old damage, damage that the soul has become used to. The family approaches Fen, an awespren appears around her, and Dalinar almost feels like he can understand them, like he's bonding to them. Dalinar and Fen talk, she says he charmed her son Kdralk and asks if he's going to charm everyone in the city one on one like that. He hopes not, that would take a long time. Another family thanks Fen and Dalinar tells her he needs her help. He explains that he can't see what he's missing on his own, he's Alethi and so are his advisors and so they think in terms of war and now they're facing an enemy who doesn't think like any they've faced before. He doesn't just want her to open the gate, he wants her to join, for their war to become her war. Fen gives in and agrees to a coalition of her, Dalinar, and Taravangian. True, their kingdoms are in ruin, but maybe they can write to the Azish again. They discuss the challenges of that some and Dalinar tells her to offer whatever suggestions she wants, he's coming to appreciate that his usual methods have severe limitations.

Thoughts

Right before Dalinar pointed out he'd been doing the same thing for years to push people around, I noted that him showing off to Fen's son was very much like what he did with Elhokar back in the first book. And lo, Sanderson went and said that part out loud.

And then Dalinar stopped and listened and fixed things by uniting them. The Blackthorn has come a long way.

Meanwhile, Taravangian is clearly having one of his dumber days, because there's no way brilliant Taravangian would be able to fake it for even a minute.
 

CarpeGuitarrem

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I seem to recall there being a mention at some point of even some characters noting that this is conspicuous, or finding that after leaving the city, they begin to feel the air thinning, something along those lines. But yeah, I'm pretty sure there was something in the book about this, so assuming I'm right, it wasn't just an oversight.
I don't remember specifically, but altitude sickness definitely exists, or some sort of altitude difference, as suggested by the whole "airsick lowlanders" dealie.
 

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Yeah, Smart Tarv would have been talking about the grim neccessities of euthenasia and/or coming up with triage lists based on intelligence and trying to come up with field-expedient measures for the same.

Like Dalinar says. He feels younger... but when he was younger this would never have happened.

Of COURSE Odium is petty enough to focus on that temple and smash it to bits. Talenat, and his will of adamant. Four and a half thousand years alone. He's the only reason they even have a chance. So impressive.
 

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Dalinar finds his true self and gains a profound sense of peace and purpose: a cement mixer.
You can run over people with it too, if necessary.
 

Tyrmatfrage

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You can’t get people to agree with you by stabbing them, so clearly the best way to get people to agree with you is to make them stab you!
 

Aegis98

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Being willing to be stabbed is a good opening concession, I will say that!

Of COURSE Odium is petty enough to focus on that temple and smash it to bits. Talenat, and his will of adamant. Four and a half thousand years alone. He's the only reason they even have a chance. So impressive.
Odium: FUCK THIS TEMPLE IN PARTICULAR!!

Chapter 60: Winds and Oaths

Kaladin meditates that while the skies are his, the storm is not. He and his bridge crew are flying Elhokar and company across Alethkar towards Kholina, lagging on the rear of the storm to keep their stormlight fueled. Elhokar is wearing diving equipment at Shallan's recommendation and Kaladin does not understand why Shallan's deserters and her maidservant are with them. Kaladin gets caught up in how Shallan is able to smile in this situation and wave to the windspren passing by and Kaladin has to snap himself out of his daydreaming about her. He renews everyone's stormlight, and being as high up with such high winds as they are, they can't talk in this state. Only Kaladin and Syl can talk to one another, since they're talking mentally. They're getting close to Kholinar now, and Syl teases Kaladin about Shallan and his feelings for her. He just tells Syl to pass word to Skar and Drehy that they're heading down now. We get some description about the difficulty they're having getting the terminology about the different degrees of lashing right, and then Kaladin makes a kind of channel so that he, Shallan, Elhokar, and Adolin can talk up in the sky. Shallan comments on how artistically beautiful the view is. Kaladin tells them they're losing their supply of stormlight, and Shallan says she's worried about losing her shoes. Kaladin does not make a wisecrack about missing boots; he says he couldn't think of anything funny to say, not that that's ever stopped Shallan. Shallan then speechifies about the value of bad art and how its more meaningful than good art. Adolin asks if all this talk about bad art was to justify her sense of humor, but she says its to justify the creation of Captain Kaladin. Kaladin ignores that and heads down below to scout things out.

Kaladin dives down through the clouds which are like dirty fog on the inside, and he takes a look at the city. He sees the Alethi flag rise and so he knows who is in control for the time being. He looks over and sees the voidbringers building storm shelters, then turns back to the city to properly gawk at it. It is grand and amazing and arresting and there is something deeply wrong with the palace. There is a darkness hanging over it, strongest at the oathgate platform. Kaladin pulls himself up before anyone can see him, but in his heart there's still the country boy that dreamed of seeing the world. Kaladin asks Syl if she saw the darkness too, and she did. Kaladin heads back up to report what he found, and Elhokar wants them to drop down into the city straight away. Kaladin urges caution, enemy scouts could see them coming down, and they saw something wrong at the palace. Elhokar says his wife and child could be in danger, a concern that Kaladin thinks to himself did not trouble Elhokar in the past six years of war. Fortunately, both Adolin and Shallan back Kaladin up, with Shallan saying they can land outside the city and disguise themselves with illusions to go in. Elhokar is satisfied and so that's what they'll do.

Thoughts

Its been a long, long time coming, but we're finally going to enter Kholinar and find out just what's been going on in there ever since the riots broke out in the last book. This is going to be very informative.
 
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