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Who is mightier, Galadriel or Celeborn?

Ratman_tf

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You don't even hear much about Celeborn. But Galadriel was tempted by the ring (and thinking about it, I don't think it was quite accident that it was Galadriel and not Celeborn in that moment) She came back from Valinor in the first age, and was the kin of Feanor. She did a lot of junk, and Celeborn just kinda seems to hang out with her. I'm sure he's no slouch, but Galadriel seems like the more powerful person.
 

Gaffa

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Buddy, just check their ancestries.

Galadriel is a Noldor, a Ring-Bearer, granddaughter of both Finwe and Olwe, one of the most powerful beings in the cosmos, who probably could have smoked Sauron in a D&D-esque battle if such things were appropriate for cosmic beings in Middle-Earth (thankfully, such is not their milieu).

Celeborn has an uncertain ancestry. He's most likely Sindar, which basically makes him Galadriel's boy toy. He's undoubtedly a puissant and wise scholar, with many good qualities, probably a loving and dutiful husband who just meshes with his wife perfectly in personality...but he ain't the one wearing the pants in this relationship.

It's basically a world-class supermodel shacking up with some guy she met at the butcher's shop while visiting the beach on vacation.
 
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ANT Pogo

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Galadriel totally wears the elf-pants in that relationship.
 

Shadowjack

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Buddy, just check their ancestries.

Galadriel is a Noldor, a Ring-Bearer, granddaughter of both Finwe and Olwe, one of the most powerful beings in the cosmos, who probably could have smoked Sauron in a D&D-esque battle if such things were appropriate for cosmic beings in Middle-Earth (thankfully, such is not their milieu).

Celeborn has an uncertain ancestry. He's most likely Sindar, which basically makes him Galadriel's boy toy. He's undoubtedly a puissant and wise scholar, with many good qualities, probably a loving and dutiful husband who just meshes with his wife perfectly in personality...but he ain't the one wearing the pants in this relationship.

It's basically a world-class supermodel shacking up with some guy she met at the butcher's shop while visiting the beach on vacation.




I am in love with your description of Tolkieniana. It is clear that you are unintimidated by the milieu. :D
 
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Ratman_tf

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Yup. Looking online it seems Tolkien never got around to giving Celeborn a grand background like Galadriel. Which says something about him as a character right there.

I like the idea that he's her boy toy. There's not many who can match up to a first age Noldor.
 

sim_james

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Celeborn's very old, and undoubtedly extraordinarily powerful... but there's no way he could compare to Galadriel. She outclasses him, and most other beings in Middle-earth.

Celeborn has a long and distinguished history of not doing anything interesting. When Galadriel travelled through Khazad-dûm to Lórien), Celeborn refused to enter the Dwarves' halls, and stayed behind in Eregion for centuries. That's a long sulk for somebody who just doesn't like Dwatves!

This from a convention game I ran many, many years ago:
Celeborn

“They were clad wholly in white… and the hair of Lord Celeborn was of silver long and bright; but no sign of age was upon them, unless in the depths of their eyes; for these were as keen as lances in the starlight, and yet profound, the wells of deep memory.”


Personality
The Elven Lord of Lothlórien, Celeborn is generous and wise. A kinsman of Elu Thingol (he is the grandson of Thingol’s brother), Celeborn is a Sindar of royal blood. Unlike the Sindar lords who sailed to the Lonely Isle of Tol Erressëa in the Second Age, Celeborn has chosen to remain in Middle-earth. Although Celeborn’s history is not as illustrious as that of his wife Galadriel, he is accounted wise, even among the Elves, having lived for many thousands of years and seen many things both good and evil.

History
You met Galadriel when she came to Doriath in the First Age to learn from Melian the Maia. Galadriel was the greatest of the Noldor, except Fëanor perhaps, though she was wiser than he, and her wisdom has increased with the long years. Galadriel was strong of body, mind, and will, a match for both the lore-masters and the athletes of the Elves in the days of their youth. Even among the Elves she was accounted beautiful, and her golden hair was held a marvel unmatched. A ban was set upon the return of Galadriel and other Elves to the Undying Lands beyond the Western Sea, and she replied proudly that she had no wish to do so. After the downfall of Morgoth, some of the Elves were allowed to return to the West, but you would not leave Middle-Earth. For love of you, and probably with some pride of her own, Galadriel did not go West at the downfall of Morgoth. Instead, you both crossed Ered Lindon and came into Eriador. You and Galadriel came to be regarded as Lord and Lady of the Elves in Eriador.

But eventually Galadriel became aware that there was an evil controlling purpose abroad in the world, and that it seemed to proceed from a source further to the East, beyond Eriador and the Misty Mountains. The two of you therefore went eastwards, about the year 700 of the Second Age, and helped to establish the Noldorin realm of Eregion. Galadriel chose it because she knew of the Dwarves of nearby Khazad-dûm (Moria). You have no liking for Dwarves of any race, and never forgave them for their part in the destruction of Doriath, even though the particular Dwarves of Moria were innocent of the ruin of Doriath and not hostile to the Elves.

You had in your company a Noldorin craftsman named Celebrimbor, a grandson of Fëanor. Celebrimbor had an almost "dwarvish" obsession with the crafts, and he soon became the chief artificer of Eregion, entering into a close relationship with the Dwarves of Khazad-dûm. The building of the chief city of Eregion, Ost-in-Edhil, was begun about year 750 of the Second Age. News of these things came to the ears of Sauron, who therefore left Eriador alone for a while, and chose as a stronghold the land of Mordor. When he felt himself to be secure he sent emissaries to Eriador, and finally, in about the year 1200 of the Second Age, came himself, wearing the fairest form that he could contrive.

In Eregion Sauron posed as an emissary of the Valar, ordered by them to remain in Middle-Earth to give aid to the Elves. Sauron endeavored to placate Galadriel, bearing her scorn with outward patience and courtesy. However, he secretly used all of his arts upon Celebrimbor and his fellow Elven-smiths, unknown to the two of you. So great became Sauron's hold on the Elven-smiths that about 1350 he persuaded them to revolt against yourself and Galadriel and to seize power in Eregion. Galadriel thereupon left Ost-in-Edhil and passed through Khazad-dûm to Lórinand (Lórien), a realm that at that time extended into the forests on both sides of the Great River, including the region where afterwards was Dol Guldur. Naturally you would not enter the mansions of the Dwarves, and you remained behind in Eregion, living in a fortified country house, disregarded by Celebrimbor and taking no part in the affairs of Ost-in-Edhil.

Galadriel, disappointed but not particularly surprised by your decision, led a contingent of her followers east, passing through Moria into Lórinand. There she took up rule, and defense against Sauron. Sauron himself departed from Eregion about 1500, after the Elven-smiths had begun the making of the Rings of Power. Now Celebrimbor was not corrupted in heart or in faith, but had accepted Sauron as what he posed to be; when Celebrimbor discovered the making of the controlling One Ring he revolted against Sauron, and went to Lórinand to take counsel with Galadriel. They should have destroyed all of the Rings of Power at this time, but instead hid the three Elven Rings.

When Sauron learned of the repentance and revolt of Celebrimbor his disguise fell and his wrath was revealed, and gathering a great force he attacked and ruined Eregion. There Sauron took the Nine Rings and other lesser works of the Elvensmiths, but the Three he could not find. Celebrimbor was put to torment and death. The Enemy then wrought devastation until the War of the Last Alliance, when the human prince Isildur cut the one Ring from his hand, and Sauron was forced to flee his physical form.

During the Third Age you have dwelt in the woodland realm of Lothlórien. For over a thousand years you dwelt with Galadriel in peace and happiness. Your daughter Celebrían had three children with Elrond Half-elven; her daughter, Arwen Evenstar, lived with you for a time in Lórien, and strongly resembles her ancestor Lúthien – the most beautiful woman who ever lived.

But shadows have returned to Middle-earth. Your only child Celebrían was ambushed and poisoned by Orcs; once rescued by her sons, she grew weary of Middle-earth and sailed into the West. Afterwards, Celebrían’s daughter Arwen Evenstar came to dwell with you in Lórien for many years, bringing with her much beauty, singing, and joy. But Celebrían is forever gone from Middle-earth, and eventually even Arwen returned to the house of her father in Rivendell.​
 

Ithaeur

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Galadriel, definitely.

As for Celeborn's ancestry, I seem to recall that he's Thingol's nephew. (Also, his Quenyan name, Teleporno, always make me giggle. :D )
 

Carandol

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Galadriel was said to rival Feanor himself in smith-craft, and she does make her own palantir-equivalent. That makes her more skilled than Sauron. She couldn't have defeated him in open battle, probably not even wielding the One Ring - Tolkien was doubtful about that, suggesting her belief she could was one of the Ring's delusions - but she did have skill enough to make her own Great Ring, or unmake the One Ring itself, without needing to visit the Crack of Doom. (Tolkien said anyone with at least as much skill as Sauron could have done that, though they might need to study the Ring deeply first, which is not safe.)

The only elf in Middle-Earth who might rival Galadriel is Cirdan, who is much older, and of an equally noble lineage. There are a few others around who can match Galadriel - Bombadil, Gandalf, Sauron - but not many.
 
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