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[WIW] A submariner watches "Hunt for the Red October"

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This is a fantastic read. One of my favorite movies (and movie soundtracks), and getting the real perspective on it is fascinating.
 

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It varied over time; you can find pictures of Soviet boats with numbers on the sail but there's no obvious rhyme or reason to when the were carried and when they were not.
Well then, seems I was wrong for at least some points of history.
 

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The government is entirely open about submarine movements (even though they are classified secret). We only did training missions in international waters (that we got decorated for). I am certain that we never went anywhere that we weren't supposed to be (even though they sometimes kept our exact location secret from most of the crew).
Weren’t there missions to sneak into Soviet harbors to plant listening devices on underwater communications cables?

The Red October's hull number is painted on the side of the sail. I don't know if the Soviets painted their hull numbers on the sails, but we didn't.
It varied by Fleet.





As a personal aside, the first time I saw this movie was as an in-flight movie on the way to Saudi Arabia for what would become the Gulf War (I). I watched it on a Delta airliner with an M-60 machinegun propped between my seat and the one next to me.
 

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Weren’t there missions to sneak into Soviet harbors to plant listening devices on underwater communications cables?
Oh, is that what we were doing? Ummm, I mean, no, of course not! Training missions in international waters!
 
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I'm loving this level of nitpicking in these threads. It's a great way to guesstimate where the filmmakers did their research, where they didn't, where they could have but didn't give a shit, and where they may have done their research but deliberately ignored it for the sake of storytelling for a general audience. (I suspect the varying uniforms on the US sub fall in that category, since movie makers hate to stick everyone in identical uniforms.)



As I said in my review of Crimson Tide, though, I have heard that the Russian language has no word for “deterrent.” The closest word that it has is “intimidation.” Since I don't speak Russian, I'm not positive about this, but according to Taross, the Dutch translation comes close to what I heard about Russian, so it could be true.
Heh. It always seems to me that "deterrent" in military usage basically does mean "intimidation". "We're big! We're scary! So don't attack us."





As a personal aside, the first time I saw this movie was as an in-flight movie on the way to Saudi Arabia for what would become the Gulf War (I). I watched it on a Delta airliner with an M-60 machinegun propped between my seat and the one next to me.
[obvious joke] Wow, they really tightened the rules for carry-on luggage after 9/11.
 

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I'm loving this level of nitpicking in these threads. It's a great way to guesstimate where the filmmakers did their research, where they didn't, where they could have but didn't give a shit, and where they may have done their research but deliberately ignored it for the sake of storytelling for a general audience. (I suspect the varying uniforms on the US sub fall in that category, since movie makers hate to stick everyone in identical uniforms.)
I think you're right here. You don't see very many people on the Dallas. The ones you do see tend to be dressed differently. Jones and his UI are both in dungarees, but Jones always wears his ballcap, while the UI never does. The CoB and the XO both wear khakis, but you don't see them that much. And Mancuso is in his poopy suit.

On the Red October, on the other hand, you see lots of the crew and officers. They are all dressed pretty much the same. I'm sure that they are making a statement here about the differences between the two navies.
 

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[obvious joke] Wow, they really tightened the rules for carry-on luggage after 9/11.
Even at the time it was surreal. I was with one of the first units sent over; we were given orders almost immediately. We did not know if the Iraqi army was going to continue into Saudi Arabia, so we drew weapons and ammo. (We got our heavy stuff (tanks, AAVs) later.) We were then bused up to LAX and sent through the airport - again, with full weapons and ammo.

I have never seen the LAPD disappear so quickly. There's the police standing around on airport security duty - and then here comes a company of Marines, armed to the teeth. They just vanished.

We marched, mostly, to the gate. We did horse around a bit, sending M-16s through the x-ray machines until our platoon sergeant told us to knock it off. Then we flew over on a regular Delta airliner with a civilian crew; the USAF was overbooked, so they called in civilian airliners. The flight attendants started joking around as well, with things like "Make sure your rifles and grenades are stowed securely..."

We were escorted down to land by a flight of RAF Tornadoes. When we landed - well, we were pretty sure that the airport (Edit: a military airbase without the usual gates) was secure, but the USMC way is "better safe than sorry," so we loaded up, piled out fast, and formed a perimeter around the aircraft, just like we'd been trained to do. I'll never forget the flight attendants yelling "ThankyouforflyingDelta! ThankyouforflyingDelta! ThankyouforflyingDelta!" as we ran out.
 
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As a personal aside, the first time I saw this movie was as an in-flight movie on the way to Saudi Arabia for what would become the Gulf War (I). I watched it on a Delta airliner with an M-60 machinegun propped between my seat and the one next to me.
Things were really different before the TSA ;)

Edit: My obvious joke, obviously ninja'd!
 
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I'm not ashamed to say I really like the scene with Ramius' speech and the song. It's all a lie, but he sells it well.
 
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