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[WoW] Post Legion expansion Speculation/Rumors/Spoilers - "Battle for Azeroth"

Propagandor

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So as not to jam up the main thread here's a thread to speculate on the next expansion ahead of the Nov 3 Blizzcon reveal

Where will it be set?
Who will we be fighting?
What new gimmicks will it have?
Any new races/classes?
 

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Where?
Kul Tiras and the South Seas in general are the rumoured location for the expansion based on the presence of Kul Tiras levelling armour in the game files

Who will we be fighting?
The Void Lords have been set up as the next big bad after the Legion.
The last surviving Old God Nzzoth has been name dropped throughout the expansion.
The Naga and Queen Azshara are Nzzoth's minions.
Jaina Proudmore left Dalaran in protest after the Horde were allowed into the city. Some believe she'll be the new big bad.
There will also be a resource war over Azeroth's life blood which is a new powerful resource introduced to the game (but harvesting it may kill the planet)

What new gimmicks will it have?
Artifact Weapons are going away but people expect something broadly similar in the next expansion
If the game is set in the South Sea's maybe player ships will replace the Order Halls?

Any new races/classes?
WoW expansions generally add a new race (tBC, Cataclysm, MoP) or a new class (WotLK, MoP, Legion) with Warlords of Draenor being the exception (and an expansion Blizzard would like everyone to forget). What will they add in the next expansion? Shadow Hunters? Playable demons?
 
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Azaael

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Re: Life Blood

I can't see people like Baine, Saurfang, Lor, or Anduin signing off on harvesting Azeroth's blood; same for Tyrande, Malfurion, and Magni(the latter of which is like Azeroth's damn voice right now.) I wonder if we'll see a split with some faction leaders(I can't see Sylvanas giving a crap what Baine thinks of the planet because Forsaken pragmatism, and Genn has proven time and time again he's pragmatic too and doesn't give a crap about anyone but Gilneans-hence hiding behind the wall the whole time.) Gallywix will be trying to sell that shit quickly, though believe it or not I actually think SOME Goblins and Gnomes may well be like 'okay guys we can't go this far.' Venture Co folks will be drilling there yesterday. Blood Elves had a pragmatic bent before...but I think they've really grown as a race. (Draenei won't touch it either. To be fair I think it'll be a select few trying to harvest it-Gallywix for sure, anyway. :p)

I think sub-races are the most likely new addition. MAYBE a 4th spec, what with the whole Alleria-Voidy Archery thing, but I think sub-races are more likely.

Wishful Thinking List: Cross-faction raiding. Doesn't even have to be dungeons, but raids would be great. Would open up so many more raiding guilds I think.
 

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I think it's likely that it'll be heroic PCs fighting Venture Company and Naga who are trying to tap the life blood. Though a Gilneas vs Forsaken subplot where they fight over the blood is possible (maybe with a Battleground?).

One thing that'll be interesting going forward is what happens with the Alliance and Horde not so much the factions as the players relationship with them (not that Sylvanas isn't Legion's biggest loose end). Legion opened with the most/a lot of the military of the Horde and Alliance wiped out and the player characters leaving the Alliance and Horde to create cross faction orders. From a storytelling PoV the Alliance and Horde became largely irrelevant (with a minor cameo of the old Horde/Alliance conflict in the siege of Suramar). In Legion the leaders of the Horde and Alliance treated you as an equal ally rather than a subordinate. I think it's going to be very hard to reverse that trend now.

I may be wrong and Blizzard are planing on making you a minion again but I think the PCs have grown beyond being a member of the Horde or Alliance now and are an independent hero who commands respect and will sometimes work with their old faction but is outside the power structure and doesn't have to take orders anymore.
 

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The Naga and Queen Azshara are Nzzoth's minions.
Azshara may not actually be on N'zoth's side. The devs mentioned when they were talking about the Tomb of Sageras that the Naga weren't all united; there's some who are full on Old Gods followers, some loyal to Azshara and other clans who are off on their own.

That they actually had that thought out in advance, might mean we'll get a group of "good" naga as a rep faction and that Azshara is autonomous of N'zoth.
 

Turelie

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There's a pretty nice breakdown of what some new data entries could mean in regards to "subraces" next expansion over at mmo-champ.

What follows is a logical and technical analysis of what those entries really mean.

Reasons For Assuming These are New Subraces:
Character Screen FileDataIDs are set. 2 are for Horde, 2 are for Alliance, and they're not immediately obvious which would be which, implying some sort of conscious decision at work.
Default ClassIDs are set.
Neutral RaceIDs are set, falling back to the original (Tauren, Draenei) in two cases. Why they aren't set for the other two is unknown.
Blizzard stopped caring about adding NPC race entries a very long time ago (the last one was early Wrath) since the only impact was appearance swapping.
None of the new ChrRaces are used in-game on a creature except Lightforged Draenei.
The new ChrRace entries appeared in the first build of Patch 7.3.0, but there are almost zero new Nightborne or Highmountain Tauren in Patch 7.3.0.
Creating a race entry (Void Elf) for a single creature (Alleria) would be very strange. It's fair to say it would be unprecedented.

Reasons Against Assuming These are New Subraces:

ChrRace Flag 0x1 is set for all four entries. When set, 0x1 designates unplayable races. It's worth noting that it is possible that they set this flag to prevent the race from showing up in Character Creation and other areas (as a return from 'GetAvailableRaces()').
ChrRace Faction is set to 2 (Neutral) for all four entries. This is consistent with all other NPC types.
The first two of the data-based 'Reasons For' can be explained away as a result of copy and paste from existing entries. Blizzard loves to copy and paste from existing material before modifying it. Once I realized this I almost considered removing them, but people would probably point it out excessively if it wasn't there.
There are no CharBaseInfo entries specifying race-class combinations for ChrRaces 27-30.
Data in other database files is placeholder and inconsistent with being playable races. As one of many examples, CharHairGeosets has entries for NPC-only ChrRaces, but just a single row for each gender. Playable races have tons of rows in CharHairGeosets with all of the possible combinations. However, ChrRaces 27-30 only have 1 row for each gender, as if they were simply NPC races.
The data left behind is not consistent with something complete yet hidden. This is tricky to explain but ties into the last couple of points. In short, when Blizzard scrubs data, they do so by reference. They would rely on triggers of foreign keys to update tables where entries are deleted. For example, they would delete something key to the existence of the race, something like... well, the ChrRace entry. Doing so would trigger a cascade of removals across the entire database. The first key removed would be the ChrRace one. Then CreatureDisplayInfoExtra have entries ripped out because of its 'Display RaceID' column. Then CreatureDisplayInfo entries would be ripped out because they were missing a CreatureDisplayInfoExtra entry. As a result of how this works, for a database like BarberShopStyles to have no data for Races 27-30 is extremely odd (and for the other ones to only have 1 style, like NPC races). The only thing that ties BarberShopStyles to something else is ChrRaceID, and we know that ChrRaces wasn't scrubbed if these were intended to be removed. Basically, it's weird that some databases don't have data even though they were only linked through a reference that wasn't scrubbed. This is not a smoking gun that these are only NPC races, but if they are intended playable subraces, then they were in a very early state of development on Blizzard's end.

It is worth noting here that, even if going off ChrRaces is completely wrong, some of this may be accidentally correct. For example, I'm pretty sure the next expansion will feature subraces, and I'm pretty sure Lightforged Draenei will be one of them. There's both logical and technical reasons why this will likely be true.

Also, one last point... I debated putting this in both sections at different points in time but it probably just belongs as a disclaimer: if this is true, it's a huge blunder by Blizzard. When merging in entries from a beta branch to bring over fixes or whatever, they would filter out a lot of the beta-only stuff by hand, most likely. It's forgivable they didn't realize what had happened when they stripped out KulTiras and Zandalari from ManifestInterfaceData, especially when they had also just stripped out the encrypted files from that same database, so the change could have slipped in with one that they did want to happen. However, ChrRace rows contain easily read string data, unlike ManifestInterfaceData which is pure FileDataIDs and file paths. If they didn't check the changes for that and realize that the word 'Void Elf' is something that was a bit out of place (especially when it was only one of four additions to the file), then, well, like I said, it's a huge blunder.

TL;DR: there is compelling evidence for the existence of these four new ChrRaces to be a sign that they will be playable subraces, but when considered in a broader context there is some doubt.
I think, overall, the amount of work that can be seen in the Argus Draenei models seems to indicate that there's a good chance those character options will be given to players eventually regardless of if subraces will be a thing.

But. . .
Alliance: Lightforged (yellow-eyed) Draenei
Horde: Highmountain Tauren

Void Elf, which refers to Alleria's model, is weird and like the bit at the end points out, could be there as an mistake. But could possibly point to High Elves I guess.
Nightborne seems like a strange subrace and doesn't fit the same mold of "90% the same as the base race" that Highmountain Tauren and Argus Draenei fit. I honestly don't see Blizzard making completely new models for subraces.

Although, I guess I could see blizzard adding High Elves to the Alliance (slightly changed Blood Elf models) and Nightborne to the Horde; each faction receiving n their own version of the other elf race, but one that fits them thematically.

I'm kinda in the camp of the four entries probably mean nothing and there will just be some new character customization options that mimic subraces (like adding a dark iron skin tone for dwarves) without subraces being a concrete thing though.
 
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This is always fun -- expansion features have been fairly methodical and practical, so it comes down to getting into strategic heads rather than clairvoyance. Apart from Draenei, I can't think of something that really came out of left field.

Blizzard has alternated new races and classes per expansion, with Mists (both) and Draenor (models in lieu of) as exceptions. This suggests races only. My gut says "crossovers," like the above mention of high elves and nightborne. Accusations of cop-out will be made, but it should be popular while it conserves development time.

Plot inertia over the last two expansions suggests a Titan theme. Even as an outside observer, I wish Blizzard would go back to hot-cold/black-white transitions as seen through 5.0, but it looks like developers prefer this way for a number of reasons.

I'm wondering if the patented Blizzard 180 will come from endgame progression paths that are more streamlined and self-contained, like Cataclysm and Wrath.

My personal and likely totally off-the-mark desire would be for a shift away from the centrality of player characters and integration of mandatory single-player elements, and instead back toward "you're just one of 40 adventurers joining up to slay a dragon." It'd need an honest-to-goodness, back-to-OS-Azeroth expansion, and I don't see that coming up next.
 

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As long as the new class isn't ANOTHER leather wearer.
 

Turelie

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It's worth noting that Christie Golden just announced a new Warcraft novel coming out next may which takes place post-Argus. It's called Before the Storm; which is generic enough to possibly not hint at what's in the next expansion, but still feeds into the assumption it'll be about Azshara/Kul'tiras/South Seas or whatever.
 

Kurotowa

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It's worth noting that Christie Golden just announced a new Warcraft novel coming out next may which takes place post-Argus. It's called Before the Storm; which is generic enough to possibly not hint at what's in the next expansion, but still feeds into the assumption it'll be about Azshara/Kul'tiras/South Seas or whatever.
Also importantly, the release day is set for May 15th next year. These pre-expansion lore novels have historically come out 1-6 months before the expansion itself, usually on the shorter end. So that aims us at a June or July 2018 release for the next expac.
 
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