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Your examples of games that were broken by players (without actually breaking the games' rules)

Polaris

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Really, the problem there is that when many gamers hear their GM say "you can't play Dark Siders in this game; if your character falls to the Dark Side, he becomes an NPC, and you have to make a new character," what they say to themselves is, "Cool, I want to play a Dark Sider, so I'm calling the GM's bluff. He doesn't really have the stones to take my character away from me. Let's rock! I have to hurry up and fall to the Dark Side now so I can put the GM in his place by establishing dominance."
In most Star Wars game (as NPC Brown Cow has already said), you become an NPC. In the latest Star Wars game (FFG's), you don't but you quickly go darkside and aren't a Jedi anymore....and the setting is just fine. The Star Wars universe is full of fallen Jedi with ideas very much like this. The GM may not want to handle it, but the setting handles it just fine.
 

celebrityomnipath

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Really? What makes the peons valuable to them?
Why do Fegengi care how many peons they have? Why do people care how many lieks they have on facebook?



Yeah, there are tech problems with Trek. On the bright side, I did get to destroy a whole mess of Borg by blowing up a star with trilithium, so..
Hah!

You could have probably hacked their network and taken them all out quietly if you were a computer specialist.



Believe it or not, the game lasted a few sessions. Until the time we simply HAD to take a private jet across country. It was a dragon carrying a howdah by the time we landed. :)
Plane owner (a PC) was understandably pissed off. Player of PC, too. :(
Why? I would have been charging millionaires exorbitant amounts of money to fly in my dragonplane.



In most Star Wars game (as NPC Brown Cow has already said), you become an NPC. In the latest Star Wars game (FFG's), you don't but you quickly go darkside and aren't a Jedi anymore....and the setting is just fine. The Star Wars universe is full of fallen Jedi with ideas very much like this. The GM may not want to handle it, but the setting handles it just fine.
Yeah, that guy deserves to end up in a spooky metal fortress on an asteroid shouting "HAH, I'll show them all!"
 

NoMessiah

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GM said he wanted a "semi-co-GM" character from me, to help make a Champions game a bit wilder and different for a jaded group.

IDEA: 1D6 Penetrating Transform, Always On, 0 END; coupled with a Psych Lim: "Thinks he's living in a medieval fantasy world".
RESULT: Major deprotagonization of all other players' PCs as my character's delusions slowly but surely converted the idioms of their powers to medieval fantasy special effects (I was 'kind' enough not to transform them into totally different powers, FWIW).

Believe it or not, the game lasted a few sessions. Until the time we simply HAD to take a private jet across country. It was a dragon carrying a howdah by the time we landed. :)
Plane owner (a PC) was understandably pissed off. Player of PC, too. :(
Explaining the "semi-co-GM" nature of my PC didn't matter.

LESSON: Those STOP signs next to some powers should be taken very seriously!
This would make a great Marauder NPC for a Mage: the Ascension game.
 

Lenin

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Why? I would have been charging millionaires exorbitant amounts of money to fly in my dragonplane.
Because the owner's logistics are all about jets. How's he going to fuel this mythical beast? A side of beef every day, and a fresh virgin every month? How is he going to get anyone trained to fly it? How is he going to maintain it? How is he going to get the FAA to certificate it so it can legally carry passengers?
 

David Artman

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Because the owner's logistics are all about jets. How's he going to fuel this mythical beast? A side of beef every day, and a fresh virgin every month? How is he going to get anyone trained to fly it? How is he going to maintain it? How is he going to get the FAA to certificate it so it can legally carry passengers?
I don't think he thought it through that far, but good points (And also the one about charging premiums for the opportunity, @celebrityomnipath! Plus, how many dragons fly at 300mpg+?!).

I think it was more "stop messing with my bling" irritation than any 'practical' objection. Darned 20-point Filthy Rich just goes to EVERYone's heads! :p
 

Von Ether

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I wasn't too proud of us, but they'd have all done the same to me.
I get that, I won't have gone along with the pack back in the day, but now I try to mentor GMs.

It's intimidating enough when you start out on the other side of the screen. I've yet to see a new GM refuse advice.

Since you're not proud of that moment, maybe the lesson went both ways that day?
 

celebrityomnipath

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Because the owner's logistics are all about jets. How's he going to fuel this mythical beast? A side of beef every day, and a fresh virgin every month? How is he going to get anyone trained to fly it? How is he going to maintain it? How is he going to get the FAA to certificate it so it can legally carry passengers?
I don't think he thought it through that far, but good points (And also the one about charging premiums for the opportunity, @celebrityomnipath! Plus, how many dragons fly at 300mpg+?!).

I think it was more "stop messing with my bling" irritation than any 'practical' objection. Darned 20-point Filthy Rich just goes to EVERYone's heads! :p
They do a Game of Thrones tour in Ireland, which involves that road that was The King's Road in the early episodes, the castle that was Winterfell in the pilot before they found a better castle, and, some bay I think, I mean it's nice but it's not great, the good locations are all in Eastern Europe, and people pay for that. How much moar would they pay to do that on a frickin dragon?!?

How much does jetfuel cost? How much do sheep cost? Do the maths!

Plus a dragon can take off without a runway and has a betterer autopilot, plus a flamethrower! (OK that last one may not be such a bonus as far as the FAA are concerned, but if I had the job of enforcing these rules I mite let that one slide).
 
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